Ask a Jeweler/Gemologist

Yeah. So I was bored. And I wanna get away from just doing "Truth Hurts!" stuff.

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((bear in mind that I am confident of what I know, but I am still 21 years old. It's not like I have 30 years experience in the field. For the record, I identify, appraise, and make jewelry))

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Just how precious of a gem would garnet be considered?

Also, how is the worth of an uncut gem appraised?
Cut gems too.

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Garnet isn't a worthless gem, but it isn't terribly rare. Garnet in itself is a family of minerals. They range anywhere from Reddish-colored Pyrope (most common) to Green-colored Demantoid (most valuable). To gauge the worth of the garnet, you need to have a few things hammered down:
- The exact type of Garnet. Some are rarer than others.
- The overall size of the gem. Carats and what-not =p
- Whether it is raw or cut. If it is cut, the skill involved in the faceting can make the gem worth more. Cutting a gem, if done decently, can only improve the worth of a gem.

A good plus to Garnet is its hardness, though. Really durable jewelry. The hardness is over 7.0 on Moh's Hardness Scale.

Now, a gem's worth is decided upon by the Four C's as I've seen them named:
- Carats. Overall weight. But bigger isn't always better. Carats in terms of gold and silver refer to purity, but in terms to gemstones it refers to weight. One Carat = 200 milligrams. Bigger isn't always best because some stones could not be as clear as others, and that degrades the worth (see next)
- Clarity. Clarity is the term used to describe the internal quality of a gem. The appraiser examines the gem for inclusions, cracks, cavities, clouds, or other imperfections.
- Cut. This is an art in itself. Not only do you have to make complex cuts on small-ass gems, but you have to *know* where to cut them in order to get the best look out of a gem. The style of cutting determines how light reflects and refracts on the faces of the stone, and returns to the viewer’s eye.
- Color. A bottom line is how "purdy" a gemstone is. A gemologist grades in terms of tone, saturation, and hue.

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What's your opinion on synthetic diamonds used as Jewelry?

I also hear that the process has been perfected to the point that many Jewelers could not tell the difference between it and a real diamond. Is this true?

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I got a ring and apparently it has electro-plated gold. Can you describe to me what that even means? And what is likely underneath the gold?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Is it true that no one actually puts diamonds in tiny little cloth bags because the diamonds will cut through each other?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Jan

I got a ring and apparently it has electro-plated gold. Can you describe to me what that even means? And what is likely underneath the gold?

I learned this a while back, but don't they put whatever item they want to plate in a solution (in this case, wouldn't it be gold?) and they run an electric current through it that causes the gold to cover the surface of the ring. The demonstration/experiment involved electroplating a spoon when I first learned this.

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Yeah, that is pretty much how electroplating is done.
I believe a common material for use with this would be iron or tin.
So chances are that the ring you have is virtually worthless.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I KNOW THAT IT'S WORTHLESS! >=(

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Originally Posted by Kairyu

What's your opinion on synthetic diamonds used as Jewelry?

I also hear that the process has been perfected to the point that many Jewelers could not tell the difference between it and a real diamond. Is this true?

Well, before GFF crashed, RR & I had a nice discussion on this topic...

Those synthetic diamonds often have a discoloration to them. But if a synthetic diamond shows up, it'll be simple to identify. Y'see, everything in nature has a bit of disorder. A synthetic diamond isn't natural and doesn't follow these laws of nature. A crystalline structure of a diamond is a slight mess. A crystalline structure of a synthetic, on the other hand, is perfect. Analyzing their structures will show you the difference, if not the color. Personally, I have yet to see a synthetic diamond, but I've read up on them since RR & I discussed it.

Originally Posted by Jan

I got a ring and apparently it has electro-plated gold. Can you describe to me what that even means? And what is likely underneath the gold?

Electroplated means that the item has been coated with a metal via electrolysis. The layer isn't exactly paint-thin, but the bottom line is that it is plated.

As for the underlying material? Pewter, a white metal.

Pewter was conceived in the Middle Ages in Europe. Originally pewter was an alloy made of varying amounts of tin, copper, lead and antimony. Today, good pewter is made without adding lead and is known as lead-free pewter.

Pewter is very soft and easily bent. During the Middle Ages, it was primarily used for dinnerware, such as plates and drinking vessels (lead poisoning leik wut). Pewter had to be used for domestic household uses as it was much too soft for weapons or farm tools. It can be cast very easily into intricate objects. This makes it a perfect metal for jewelry items. Highly polished pewter has a blue-white color; but more often pewter is finished by electroplating.

Originally Posted by Eleo

Is it true that no one actually puts diamonds in tiny little cloth bags because the diamonds will cut through each other?

Wha? =o To be honest, I've never heard of this. Diamonds can't really cut through eachother unless you apply a severe amount of pressure or whack them together pretty good a few times. We've moved bunches of diamonds inside of velvet bags and they don't damage eachother. But anyhow, I've never heard of this.

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Whats the possibility of you and me getting into a little buisness deal - and making lots of money on the side?

c'mon, you knonw it's tempting, lol.

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What is the most expensive purchase someone has made in your... store? (You didn't really say at what kind of place you worked >_>)

Also, what is your favorite 'jewel'?

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Originally Posted by Locke

Whats the possibility of you and me getting into a little buisness deal - and making lots of money on the side?

c'mon, you knonw it's tempting, lol.

Sure thing, absolute stranger =D You sound like a swell fellow ^__^

Originally Posted by Snowknight

What is the most expensive purchase someone has made in your... store? (You didn't really say at what kind of place you worked >_>)

Also, what is your favorite 'jewel'?

I was freelance for the longest time. Lately, I've been working under someone in a store. I'm self-taught and rather skilled (not bragging if you're telling the truth. My Geoscience background helps me on classifying and identifying immensely).

We deal mostly in diamonds for cash-cows. I make 'em, appraise 'em, and sell 'em. Most expensive purchase?... Well...:

We have dealt with some high-end Tanzanite & Diamond combination rings. Look at these upper-tier ones for a ball park figure

Toss-up between a few. Aquamarine vs Watermelon Tourmaline vs Tanzanite.

Bloodstone, the Garnets, and others are very VERY close runner-ups.

I was speaking idiomatically.

What, from a jeweller's perspective, is the difference between a diamond and a cubic zirconia? What cues do you look for to tell if something is one and not the other?

And, while I'm thinking about it, what is the second-most expensive gemstone, after diamond? I heard emerald from one source, ruby from another, and sapphire from a third.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So I bought a tanzanite ring recently, am totally in love with it. I was told that because tanzanite is in such limited supply, it's value is going to appreciate. Is that true or is someone making shit up? It's not a huge stone, or anything. Here's a picture in case that matters.



Something else I've always been curious about: how hard is it to find a good quality diamond for a decent price? Are there specific places to go? How can you tell if you're being ripped off with jewelry in general?

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Originally Posted by orion_mk3

What, from a jeweller's perspective, is the difference between a diamond and a cubic zirconia? What cues do you look for to tell if something is one and not the other?

And, while I'm thinking about it, what is the second-most expensive gemstone, after diamond? I heard emerald from one source, ruby from another, and sapphire from a third.

In nature, Cubic Zirconia is rare. But synthetically, it is common.

Any good jeweler can see the difference immediately. A Cubic Zirconia has a plastic look, with a light-blue cast throughout the stone. One sure way to tell the difference is to weigh them: the Cubic Zirconia will weigh 75% more than the real deal!

Diamonds are on an artificial Supply-Demand stint thanks to De Beers. I already am rather frustrated at them... A diamond isn't necessarily the most expensive gemstone, though. A ruby of utmost quality runs about $30,000/carat. That's quite a bit more than your average diamond =)

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Would a car made of diamond break if it ran into a wall at high speed?

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Originally Posted by nadienne

So I bought a tanzanite ring recently, am totally in love with it. I was told that because tanzanite is in such limited supply, it's value is going to appreciate. Is that true or is someone making shit up? It's not a huge stone, or anything. Here's a picture in case that matters.

Something else I've always been curious about: how hard is it to find a good quality diamond for a decent price? Are there specific places to go? How can you tell if you're being ripped off with jewelry in general?

Yes, Tanzanite can only be found in one location in the world -- in the Meralani Hills of northern Tanzania. It is everything that diamonds are hyped up to be. One out of every 10,000 diamonds are sold =p Think of it like that~ Tanzanite is a fantastic investment. Tanzania recently said they wouldn't export Tanzanite to India. Well, India is responsible for lots of cutting on gems on large-scale. Most Tanzanite is ending up over here and is untreated oft at times. India wants to sell some of it themselves. And it's rare. Plus the coloration is gorgeous. These are piling up and really upping the price.

Just make sure you keep the ring in good condition. Looks nice =D

Well, professionals go to gem & mineral shows. A huge one was in Tucson, AZ earlier in February. You go there and buy from international sellers. That's where you haggle and what-not. But most folks there are out to buy lotsa gems. Looootsa them.

Well, buying Jewelry from someone leaves you at the mercy of the seller like a car mechanic holds an inept customer. At gem & mineral shows, you'll have the real swindlers. They go for folks who don't know anything about gems & jewelry and try to fool you with fancy words. At a local store, they won't fool you. Word gets around. It's one thing for a mechanic to screw you over, but a jewelery store always tells the truth if it plans to have any longevity. Selling cheap jewelry will get you shut down just by word-of-mouth.

Gem & mineral shows are real primo places for quality buys but they're also grounds for major rip-offs. If you go buying, be sure to go with someone who knows what's what. Otherwise, stick to local jewelry stores.

The pricing standard is rather set in stone (lol). Someone doesn't just pick up a stone and go "looks like $200." They'll tally up the value depending upon several parameters (The Four C's mentioned earlier) amid other traits. Rarity factors in, followed by actual demand.

As far as if something is a fake gem? I know a neat trick... Got polarized lenses? Pop 'em out and get another set of hands. Hold the two lenses a little ways apart, hold the gem between them, and shine a light up from the bottom. Peer down through the top lens, and if the gem is fake (glass), the gem will be colored entirely black. This little trick is known as Crossing The Polars. Glass is Isotropic, and under crossed polars, it always appears black. Kind of a neat McGuyver trick ;D

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Originally Posted by kapsi

Would a car made of diamond break if it ran into a wall at high speed?

Absolutely. Diamond is incredibly hard. But it is hardly impact-resistant. A building can hold 50,000lb on its roof, but if you pound 10,000lb a few times, the stress being loaded & unloaded will make the structure fold. Same premise.

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Also, Nadienne, another good Gemstone to try out is Alexandrite. It is also ridiculously rare, and its color can differ under different lights. Colors are greenish outdoors, and reddish to violet under artificial light. Alexandrite is extremely rare, though, and rarely larger than 2 carats. It is common to find synthetic ones, though, so keep an eye out if you try tracking one down.

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I was just trying to explain to my mom the whole deBeers diamond conspiracy thing and she didn't believe me.

Interesting that you bring up the Tucson show. I'm from there, and I've always missed it. Next year, baby, next year. The polarization trick might prove useful. Also, if you decide to buy a stone loose, will regular jewelry stores set it for you?

I guess more what I was asking about if you're getting ripped off is real stones that're overpriced. I've noticed especially in certain mall chains that everything seems ridiculously expensive for what it is.

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Originally Posted by nadienne

I was just trying to explain to my mom the whole deBeers diamond conspiracy thing and she didn't believe me.

Interesting that you bring up the Tucson show. I'm from there, and I've always missed it. Next year, baby, next year. The polarization trick might prove useful. Also, if you decide to buy a stone loose, will regular jewelry stores set it for you?

I guess more what I was asking about if you're getting ripped off is real stones that're overpriced. I've noticed especially in certain mall chains that everything seems ridiculously expensive for what it is.

She should believe it. Show her a website on it ;D It's a monopoly, pure and simple. The US slaps lawsuits on them, but they make such ridiculous amounts of money that the slaps on the wrist don't bother them. Unless some international rules kick in, De Beers will keep making money by the truckload. If you want a little truthful compilation, I could write up a detailed little essay for her to peruse in regards to De Beers' activities.

I would've gone to the Tucson show, but I went to San Francisco in early December for a major conference, and since my University is a cheapskate, they didn't pay for my trip (while other universities do so). As a result, my bank account was still reeling.

Ahh. I know what ya mean. It's just taking advantage of folks who don't know much about the field. The only real way to find out what is the real price is to try and compare something you've seen in reality to prices on the internet with roughly the same appearance. Kind of hard to do... Or you could read up on the pricing. There are lots of ins and outs that up and lower pricings. Buying loose gemstones successfully is reserved for the lucky and for the skilled, to be honest. You'd be amazed how much some folks will pay for a pretty rock.

If you have your eye on a certain gem, ask for its name and carats. Check it up online and compare prices. Then head back and haggle. If you begin haggling like you know about the stuff, they might pale if it is overpriced considerably. They rely on buyers not knowing much about them other than size and pretty colorations. But, some sellers don't know much about them, either. If you haggle with pricings, the skill of the cut, presence of inclusions and what-not, the price can easily lower.

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Just want to make a little brag.

My mom has a ring with 2 one-carat alexandrites in it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I recently went over the topic of gems in my geology class this semester. How often do people ask you whether or not the gem(s) they're interested in are natural or synthetic? Do they often ask about the history of the gem(s), like say if they had been enhanced by radiation, or heat or chemical treatment? The bottom line I got from the lecture in my class was that it's a good idea to ask those things, and that the more naturally-formed the gem is, the more valuable.

EDIT: On a side note, I remember my professor relating a story in that lecture of a colleague of his who was pounding away with one of those hammers, getting some rock samples when he unwittingly unearthed a large Utah red beryl, which judging by its size and forming naturally, would've probably been worth several thousands of dollars. He didn't notice it until too late, when his hammer split the thing in half. :doh:

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Josiah

I recently went over the topic of gems in my geology class this semester. How often do people ask you whether or not the gem(s) they're interested in are natural or synthetic? Do they often ask about the history of the gem(s), like say if they had been enhanced by radiation, or heat or chemical treatment? The bottom line I got from the lecture in my class was that it's a good idea to ask those things, and that the more naturally-formed the gem is, the more valuable.

EDIT: On a side note, I remember my professor relating a story in that lecture of a colleague of his who was pounding away with one of those hammers, getting some rock samples when he unwittingly unearthed a large Utah red beryl, which judging by its size and forming naturally, would've probably been worth several thousands of dollars. He didn't notice it until too late, when his hammer split the thing in half. :doh:

We always mark our synthetics and non-synthetics, and we have history of the jewelry on record. Most are brand-spanking new. We're not a pawn shop =p They get exactly what they see and what we tell 'em. Of course a natural gem is worth more. Synthetics can be made whenever. Naturals are limited in supply.

Ooof ;( Bad loss... Still worth a good amount but a huge gem would've been more valuable.

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Thanks for the response. And man, that was quick.

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How many carats does it take to get an oz?

I hate the metric system sooo much! It's just so... not American.

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