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WWDC 2006 preview of Mac OS X “Leopard”
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Old Aug 13, 2006, 05:45 PM #1 of 15
WWDC 2006 preview of Mac OS X “Leopard”

the conference (very awesome presentation compared with most MS presentations i've seen, pretty entertaining too. Very good atmosphere, totally worth watching, even though its around an hour.)
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html

.. and some info about leopard
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/

I just watched the conference yesterday and i am totally blown away by some of the features leopard has such as Time Machine. I'm a PC user so i usually dont pay much attention to mac. But after seeing those features from the demos they showed, i'm seriously thinking on buying a mac once leopard comes out. It just seems that leopard would totally make my life so much more easier in terms of school work. ... And ya they do bash on Vista but i mean its all good competition anyways. The only limitiation that i think mac has is generally gaming and third party apps for now. But if they do get around in getting games to being developed for macs then i'm totally sold. The OS itself just looks soo visually appealing when compared with Vista.

I'm starting to think that the only reason why Vista looks good is because of the insane hardware specifications. IMO Its like without decent hardware, vista would look like crap.. and it pains me to say that because i've used a pc my whole life.

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Old Aug 13, 2006, 11:40 PM Local time: Aug 13, 2006, 09:40 PM #2 of 15
Tiger, technologically, is already on par with Vista in most areas. It stands to reason that Leopard will be even more impressive in comparison.

And keep in mind, they're keeping the "really cool" features in Leopard under wraps until MacWorld San Francisco in January '07... which is probably why they devoted so much time to things like Universal Access and notes/to-dos in Mail which, while neat, weren't really cool enough to justify all the time they were given.

As for games, I'd say if you're a casual gamer, using Boot Camp to boot up Windows isn't really a big deal when you want to play something that hasn't been ported to OS X. If you play games all the time, it might be a little more onerous. But, there are companies out there trying to create technology that will help game developers port their games to OS X more quickly, so we'll see in the next couple years if that bears any fruit. Plus, considering the upswing we're seeing in Mac market share recently due to the Intel transition, I have a feeling we might start seeing some more game ports anyway.

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Old Aug 17, 2006, 02:17 PM #3 of 15
Time machine is interesting but sounds like a terrible idea for someone who likes a lot of harddrive space. Really, how feasible is it for the OS to handle the TB of storage I like to keep like that?

Also lolin' at the idea of time machine unearthing mountains of deleted porn. Zooming through tit city is gonna be hilarious. ='D

And anyway as advanced as OSX is why is it that it still has shit media playing support. VLC, MPlayer, and quicktime are laughing stocks when it comes to playing mkv, ogm, and well just about anything because their interfaces are just ridiculous.

Give me a player with the support and useability as Media Player Classic and maybe we'll talk. I'm surprised some Mac user hasn't gotten pissed off enough to make their own version of it.

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Old Aug 17, 2006, 11:14 PM Local time: Aug 17, 2006, 09:14 PM #4 of 15
Originally Posted by AcerBandit
And anyway as advanced as OSX is why is it that it still has shit media playing support. VLC, MPlayer, and quicktime are laughing stocks when it comes to playing mkv, ogm, and well just about anything because their interfaces are just ridiculous.

Give me a player with the support and useability as Media Player Classic and maybe we'll talk. I'm surprised some Mac user hasn't gotten pissed off enough to make their own version of it.
Well, VLC plays OGM and MKV fine from where I stand—they play all the files I could want. What's so wrong with them?

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Old Aug 17, 2006, 11:20 PM Local time: Aug 17, 2006, 10:20 PM #5 of 15
VLC is lacking in comparison to Media Player Classic in the overall, customizability and ease of use scale. I mean, its pretty good (and still in Beta), but it needs a little bit of TLC on the GUI and give a bit more function in the advanced options. Ya know, like actually options that help!?

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Old Aug 17, 2006, 11:21 PM #6 of 15
VLC has terrible support for more advanced subtitling formats, which include packing fonts into the container, (VLC uses it's specified font and thats it,) text placement, text color, text effects and the like.

This is to be said for VLC on every platform.

And because of that, I stopped recommending VLC and would just rather suggest installing DefilerPak, CCCP or the individual filters.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 11:04 AM Local time: Aug 18, 2006, 09:04 AM #7 of 15
Originally Posted by Merv Burger
VLC has terrible support for more advanced subtitling formats, which include packing fonts into the container, (VLC uses it's specified font and thats it,) text placement, text color, text effects and the like.

This is to be said for VLC on every platform.

And because of that, I stopped recommending VLC and would just rather suggest installing DefilerPak, CCCP or the individual filters.
You can't exactly blame VLC for that. All the "advanced subtitling" components are not cross-platform compatible, and rely on Windows-specific technologies rather heavily. No one's bothered to write a cross-platform library that can do the same stuff (quite a task in and of itself) and so VLC, being a player that attempts to keep its functionality the same across all platforms and CPU architectures, has to rely on libraries that are less capable.

Also consider that the number of people who even give a shit about "advanced subtitling" (or subtitling/MKV/OGM) compared to the number of people who "watch video on a computer" is quite small indeed.

That said, I would be happy if someone would write a cross-platform library for SSA/ASS subtitling. But it doesn't keep me up at nights, and it definitely doesn't keep me from recommending VLC to the legions of people who don't watch anime.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 03:29 PM #8 of 15
MKV/OGM are the wave of the future maaaan. Gotta have full support. You figure someone out there would be trying to make it work on the mac correctly. Easy answer is to also own a PC that can of course do it correctly via MPC but still. What about the mac fags who want to watch anime lent to them that is in mkv/ogm? My mac buddy and I have to go through this all the time when we hang out b/c we use his apple laptop to play anime on his big-screen tv. We just groan when we start playing an episode that we didn't realize was in the playlist as an mkv file. "God damn it VLC. God damn it."

So yeah I hope some irrated mac user someday writes up a cross-platform library for advanced subtitling or whatever. Hell, just some super port of MPC would be awesome.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 04:32 PM #9 of 15
haha.. hmm seems w'ere getting off topic here.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 07:31 PM Local time: Aug 19, 2006, 01:31 AM #10 of 15
Originally Posted by AcerBandit
Hell, just some super port of MPC would be awesome.
Won't happen, as killmoms already stated, it relies heavily on Windows-specific stuff (read: DirectShow). But for a DS/codec based player on Windows, it's as good as it gets.

About a cross-platform library for advanced subs: While it would be neat, I'd really like to see more groups wising up and go for hardcoded releases. Not just to please us non-Windows kids but for all the people with standalone players as well.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 08:15 PM #11 of 15
Personally, I enjoy softsubs. They make sense b/c then the subs can scale and you can turn them off if you want and enjoy the show raw if you'd like. Plus it allows for multiple subtitle tracks which is useful and sometimes fun. =)

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 08:23 PM #12 of 15
Softsubs are also better because if there's any errors, you can fix them yourself, rather than waiting for the group who encoded the video to fix it and reecode it for a second release.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 11:15 PM Local time: Aug 18, 2006, 09:15 PM #13 of 15
I'm surprised any groups release as soft-subs, honestly. I guess they just don't care about having their scripts stolen by foreign fansubbing groups who freeload off their work. Lord knows being in the Triad I've heard enough people ask "HAY CAN I HAV UR SCRIPTZ?!"

And, .mp4 is more the wave of the future than ogm/mkv I think. Well, at least in mainstream video.

And don't get me wrong. It would be nice if there was better softsub rendering libraries for platforms besides Windows. I'm thinking if one appears for Linux, it won't be long before one appears for the Mac. In fact, doesn't the x86 Linux version of mplayer use the old "include Windows dlls/binaries" to get softsub support working? I seem to remember reading that. Not exactly a fix for all the non-x86 Macs out there, but you'd think a similar thing could be done for mplayer on Macs with Intel chips in them. But, I'm no programmer. And honestly, I don't think that one thing can be held as a serious "strike" against OS X as a whole, except if you're an incredibly irrational person.

And yes, definitely getting off topic.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Aug 21, 2006, 10:52 AM Local time: Aug 21, 2006, 04:52 PM #14 of 15
Originally Posted by killmoms
And honestly, I don't think that one thing can be held as a serious "strike" against OS X as a whole, except if you're an incredibly irrational person.
...or a gamer.

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Old Aug 21, 2006, 01:19 PM Local time: Aug 21, 2006, 11:19 AM #15 of 15
Originally Posted by Cyrus XIII
...or a gamer.
Like I said... an incredibly irrational person.

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