Best Anime Song Contest: Separated or combined?

As you might or might not know, we're planning to hold a "Best Anime Song Contest" pretty soon after the "Best Videogame Song Contest" has been finished. Now there has been some discussion about how to organize the contest.

As for now, I am offering two different options:

(1) Separate contests for OP/ED and BGM
(2) Combined contest for OP/ED and BGM

If you are willing to offer anything else, you're welcome!

Thanks.

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I think clarification is needed as to whether insert tracks that are played in the middle of the show that are neither featured as an opening or ending track qualifies for the OP/ED category or the BGM category.

Once that's sorted out, I'll throw in my vote.

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I think separating the two will be better, as there are more than enough songs/bgm tracks for two contests.

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I voted "Other" simply because of insert songs. Perhaps we could have categories for BGM, OP/ED, and insert songs? I dunno. Otherwise, I would have voted for the first option (separate categories).

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I suppose mixing them would work. It should play out just like the whole Best Song Contest did. BSC doesn't discriminate vocals & instrumentals, so BASC shouldn't do so either (at least I think so). So I'm all for combining the two into one uber bracket.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I think the majority of well known anime music comes from OP/ED so I don't see a reason why they shouldn't figure into the mix. If anything (usually) and anime's OP theme is the theme people go by.

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It wouldn't be fair since J-pop is a different category than pure BGM...

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instead of making the categories op/ed and bgms, maybe we can call it vocals and non-vocals? vocals can then include image songs or insert songs besides just op/eds

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Originally Posted by sjcrik

instead of making the categories op/ed and bgms, maybe we can call it vocals and non-vocals? vocals can then include image songs or insert songs besides just op/eds

So openings/endings that don't have vocals (such as Xenosaga's opening) will be in the BGM category?

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The flaw with combining is that there are songs that will automatically get votes simply for not having vocals.

That said, combining the two is the more interesting choice overall. Variety is good, even at the need to compare apples to grapefruits. I can't say I'd approach an all-BGM contest with same enthusiasm as an all-OP/ED one, since I much prefer game BGM to anime BGM, but generally like a lot of anime OP/ED songs I come across.

Also, I vote yes on using insert songs as well.

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Originally Posted by elwe

I voted "Other" simply because of insert songs. Perhaps we could have categories for BGM, OP/ED, and insert songs? I dunno. Otherwise, I would have voted for the first option (separate categories).

He has a good point about insert songs. I think the OP/ED portion should be clarified to include insert songs at the very least.

As soon as that's clarified, I'll be voting for separate brackets, since I think that will allow other people who don't really listen to the music can at least participate in the voting for BGM tracks (as listening to the vocal tracks can be more of an acquired taste.)

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I've changed "OP/ED" to "Vocals". I think that was Mush's original intention when creating the poll, anyway.

Hiro: I think it should be placed in the BGM bracket, due to reasons stated by Goldfish and Merv.

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So, are all released materials included in the contest? I'm wondering where do image albums, remixes, and character songs fit into this, if at all?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Hiro: I think it should be placed in the BGM bracket, due to reasons stated by Goldfish and Merv.

Not sure I agree with this personally, but anyway, I guess "BGM" should be renamed to "Music" or "Instrumentals" then. Not really background music if it's never played during the show.

I would've been interested in seeing how far Cowboy Bebop's opening goes against vocal tracks, but I guess that won't be happening now.

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Originally Posted by Hiro

I would've been interested in seeing how far Cowboy Bebop's opening goes against vocal tracks, but I guess that won't be happening now.

I'm more interested to see how English songs like Blue and Rain from Cowboy Bebop fare against the J-pop stuff.

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So wait, now we are going so far as to seperate vocal tracks from BGM tracks? Would that mean that vocal tracks that do not appear as OP/ED be grouped together as well?

That seems like a fair compromise to me, as it would balance the distribution of fammilar OP/ED themes and unfammilar vocal tracks.

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That was my original idea, Excrono, I wanted a seperate contest for OP/ED themes, no matter whether vocal or not, but we're still in the process of figuring things out, so the last word has not been spoken yet.

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In that case, shall we group insert/image songs with OP/ED themes (including non-vocal OP/ED)?

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I think that would be a good idea. That would also keep our vocalphobia suffering people interested.

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Originally Posted by Easy

So, are all released materials included in the contest? I'm wondering where do image albums, remixes, and character songs fit into this, if at all?

Wait, this question wasn't really answered directly, but it seems from the updated poll that image songs are now included? I had assumed that this contest would be similar to the VGM one in that alternate arrangements would not be allowed (even if it was official), please correct me if I'm wrong. I would think that image albums would qualify as an "arrangement" since they sometimes don't even make it into the show. Character image songs are even more likely to not be included since they're usually just a part of some drama CD or something.

Originally Posted by NYRSkate

Only original versions of game music tracks, whether from a game soundtrack, game rip, redbook audio rip, or whatnot, are allowed in this contest. Arrangements, whether official or fan-made, or piano tracks will not be considered.

What's the final say on this, folks? I guess I'm probably being a little anal here, but I would like everything out in black and white.

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Yeah, this was eating me up a bit. Will we be rejecting "Full Size" versions of the OP/ED, and going so far as looking at the context of each piece of BGM to see if it was used in the series? I know a dilemma would arise if we applied this to OP/ED but not BGM as most BGM is used only in part in the actual series. Or will we just be allowing everything from the album, within reason (disallowing licensed tracks, blatant arrangements, etc)?

Perhaps I am over thinking it. My hope would be that we wouldn't be too restrictive and deny full versions of the OP/ED that actually were used in part, as they shouldn't be measured by the VGM standard which doesn’t really take partial tracks into acount.

I was speaking idiomatically.

try the separated opening from endings, you will have better results, ay leasy in my opinion

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Whyyyyyyyyy? >_>; I'd figure Vocals & BGMs. Differentiating Image songs from OP/EDs and OPs from EDs gets things weird.

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Anime music is NOT VGM.

Originally Posted by Hiro

Wait, this question wasn't really answered directly, but it seems from the updated poll that image songs are now included? I had assumed that this contest would be similar to the VGM one in that alternate arrangements would not be allowed (even if it was official), please correct me if I'm wrong. I would think that image albums would qualify as an "arrangement" since they sometimes don't even make it into the show. Character image songs are even more likely to not be included since they're usually just a part of some drama CD or something.

They rarely do arrangements of anime music, so "image albums" are quite different from what you're thinking since the music/songs in them are often original. And contrary to what you think, character image songs are very often used in the shows themselves (they need to sell copies, after all).

And songs are going to be full length where possible (there are some without a full length version, and some that never had TV versions published.)

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Originally Posted by Bigblah

They rarely do arrangements of anime music, so "image albums" are quite different from what you're thinking since the music/songs in them are often original.

Quote:

Image songs/music/poem of a film are created based on the themes inspired by "images" from the film's storyboard. They were composed before the film was complete. Some of the pieces are eventually used in the film.
An image album contains a collection of image songs/music.
--Nausicaa.net

Is your understanding of "image songs" a little different than this one? I've always went with this definition myself.

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And contrary to what you think, character image songs are very often used in the shows themselves (they need to sell copies, after all).

Which animes are you thinking of? I guess maybe I just haven't seen that much anime or maybe the ones I have just happened to not use these "character image songs"?

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