It's a sad day for fans of Gargoyles

Originally Posted by acid

The fans bitched for Gargoyles, they got it, and it didn't sell.

They would be assholes if they said "fuck you, you'll never see it on DVD". They said "fine, we'll give it a shot", and no one bought it. You can hardly blame them for not supporting something that no one wants.

I mean, do you really expect a company to continue to sell a product that doesn't sell?

The problem with no advertising is that how can the fans buy it if they don't know it's on DVD? I have a friend who likes the show alot and didn't know it's on DVD cause it never came up in conversation before I got pissed about the possibility of not releasing the rest of the series.

Not to mention that alot of retailers either didn't carry it or didn't put it where alot of people would notice it.

As I already stated, the ONLY reason I knew the show went on DVD was because I once a month typed in Gargoyles on the Amazon.com search bar. Most people are not that obsessive over a show.

And you know Disney thinks the series is good enough to keep it on Toon Disney inspite of it supposedly not being a profitable show. Why can't they advertise the DVDs during the very show they are for?

With that said I have both the currently available sets and am going to get them for people as gifts just to boost the sales. Inspite of the fact that I don't actually trust Disney to live up to their word of releasing more if the sales go up.

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Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

And you know Disney thinks the series is good enough to keep it on Toon Disney inspite of it supposedly not being a profitable show.

I'm not taking sides or anything, but I just wanted to say something about this point.

Yes, they show it on Toon Disney, but there is a couple of issues with that. First off, it's on Toon Disney, which is for most people a satellite/digital cable channel. That alone means that not that many people are gonna watch it to begin with, since a lot of people don't even get the channel.

Second, don't forget that for the majority of the time it's been on Toon Disney (and even before that when it was on the regular Disney Channel), it's only come on during the late night/early morning hours. If Disney really thought it was that good, why only restrict it to those hours? You could argue that it's the content, but I doubt that since A) other shows with similar content like Spider-Man air at earlier hours, and B) other shows that don't really even have any objectionable content, like Tale Spin, are usually only restricted to those hours too.

Sad to say, but I think the main thing here is that the show really isn't that popular. Sure, it has its fans, but I don't think that there's enough of them to support a widespread DVD release. What Disney should do is just print a limited number of copies of any future sets, and make it so that you have to order them directly from them. This way the fans will still be pleased, and then they won't have to worry about losing money in the process.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Just a note, I'm not saying they should have had a huge advertising campaign like a movie would. But I don't think a commercial during the times the show is actually on or a couple ads in maybe some gaming magazines. I mean if some hobos who are selling EQ plat can afford an ad in a video game magazine, I doubt that it's gonna break the bank for Disney.

Although honestly most TV shows that get DVD releases don't get advertised and alot of their fans don't realize the shows are on DVD. I mean the other day at work I ran into a guy from high school that was buying cookies from the deli that had Superman designs on them. I got into a bit of conversation with him about Superman and I brought up the cartoon from the 90s. He loves that cartoon and guess what? He didn't know it was available on DVD. I actually ran into a guy the other day that thought the Saiyan Saga DVDs of Dragon Ball Z that Funimation is currently releasing are the first Uncut DBZ DVDs to be released.

Considering how long I see alot of DVD sets sitting on the shelves at places before they sell leads me to believe DVDs of TV shows take awhile to sell and Disney doesn't understand that.

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Well, with TV shows on DVD, it's kind of a hard thing to advertise. I mean, unless it's a major title (Seinfeld comes to mind), it's pretty much just gonna be the hardcore fans that will be eagerly awaiting to buy these. And the thing about them is, they most likely already know about these releases through places like http://www.tvshowsondvd.com or respective fansites for their shows. Because of this, most companies probably figure that your average joe consumer will eventually hear about it by either word of mouth or by just seeing it on the shelf one day. They most likely figure that they are already possibly losing money just by releasing the product, so why waste any more money on advertising when most of their target audience already knows about it.

That's the thing though, if people really cared that much about one of their favorite shows, they would keep looking out for it. I mean, the site I linked above even has a feature that lets you tell them what shows you want to see on DVD, and e-mails you when anything about that show is announced or even rumoured. The problem is that it's mainly only the hardcore fans that are gonna take advantage of something like this, since most casual fans don't usually take this kind of time and effort for things like this.

Does this make it right for them not to advertise these shows? Eh, not really, but I can see where they are coming from. A company like Disney would rather advertise one of their movies or hit ABC TV shows like Lost or Desperate Housewives over something like Gargoyles. They figure most Gargoyles fans already know about the DVDs since they've been asking for them for so long. They also know that most casual consumers probably won't care about the show either. But then there's those other TV shows/movies, something they know that the casual consumers might not know about. In this situation, wouldn't you rather spend money advertising a hit show to the larger, less-knowing audience instead of advertising the cult show to the smaller audience that most likely already knows about it?

I was speaking idiomatically.

I don't remember Gargoyles being a particularly good show.

It seems like for any given children's show from the 90s, there's a bunch of now-adults who want to buy the series on DVD.

"Gathering of Gargoyles" convention? What?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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"Gathering of Gargoyles" convention? What?

Is that really any more absurd than BotCon (transformers convention)?

This is pretty old news, actually. I read before how there was concern over whether Disney would release the next half of season 2 on DVD, and it sounds like the situation hasn't improved. The last batch of episodes before GC are very much worth owning, too, especially the Hunters finale (which features Goliath in his absolute angriest, and thus coolest).

I remain hopeful, though. With enough fan letters and pestering, Disney should eventually cave in. It's the only remaining Gargoyles episodes, anyway, not counting GC (and who really wants those on DVD? Okay, one or two episodes were good, but still).

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To the people who said that all the hardcore fans -would- know that the DVDs are coming out...well that's all fine and good, but I think you're forgetting all the people who -don't- have an internet connection. It's these people whom Disney should advertise for...how else are they going to know these shows are coming to DVD? They're not going to suddenly go into the 'kids' section to look for the DVD release of a TV show they love in hopes that there will actually be a DVD sitting there on the shelf, especially for a show as old as Gargoyles.

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Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf

To the people who said that all the hardcore fans -would- know that the DVDs are coming out...well that's all fine and good, but I think you're forgetting all the people who -don't- have an internet connection. It's these people whom Disney should advertise for...how else are they going to know these shows are coming to DVD? They're not going to suddenly go into the 'kids' section to look for the DVD release of a TV show they love in hopes that there will actually be a DVD sitting there on the shelf, especially for a show as old as Gargoyles.

Just to point out, Best Buy puts the Gargoyles DVDs in with the normal "TV Shows on DVD" section, not the "Kid" or "Disney" section.

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Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf

To the people who said that all the hardcore fans -would- know that the DVDs are coming out...well that's all fine and good, but I think you're forgetting all the people who -don't- have an internet connection. It's these people whom Disney should advertise for...how else are they going to know these shows are coming to DVD? They're not going to suddenly go into the 'kids' section to look for the DVD release of a TV show they love in hopes that there will actually be a DVD sitting there on the shelf, especially for a show as old as Gargoyles.

Not to make fun of anyone or anything, but in this day and age, if you can't get access to the internet in any way (friend, school, library), then you probably can't afford the sets to begin with. I mean, even if all you can do most of the time is check your e-mail, you can still have a way of getting this information sent to you, so I really don't see this as an excuse.

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

Not to make fun of anyone or anything, but in this day and age, if you can't get access to the internet in any way (friend, school, library), then you probably can't afford the sets to begin with. I mean, even if all you can do most of the time is check your e-mail, you can still have a way of getting this information sent to you, so I really don't see this as an excuse.

That may be true but if they don't have access to it on a regular basis you can't really expect them to know all the good sites and where to look up info. and as far as using your friends to use their internet, I can tell you that it was very annoying having my best friend constantly ask me to look up video game info for him on gamfaqs.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

But still, if they were really looking forward to the show on DVD, what's stopping them from typing 'Gargoyles DVD' or something similar into Google or Yahoo? I'm sorry, but I just think that if you really want something like this, you'll find a way to find out about it eventually, even without advertisements for it. I mean, even advertisements aren't foolproof, as there's not always that strong a chance that you read one of the magazines thay advertise it in, or watch one of the channels they advertise it on.

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Well in anycase, I hope the last part gets released. If it doesn't that's pretty much a big slap in the face and a "Fuck You" to everyone that did actually buy the DVDs rather then illegaly downloading the episodes like 4channers. I mean even if it's not a big hit, why stop when there is only one set left to release?

I'm getting sick of being screwed by people in charge of DVD releases lately. Both Teen Titans and Justice League they canceled individual DVD releases and just went with box sets meaning I wasted money on DVDs cause I'd have to buy the box sets if I want the complete series. The same thing happened with the uncut DBZ Saiyan Saga and they were up to 9 DVDs out of 12 before they did it. Now this.... I don't like having an incomplete collection.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yeah Disney is being really stupid with the Gargoyles license. They are hesitant to release the DVDs and they won't advertise them at all. I didn't even know they were on DVD until I saw them at HMV.

Also I heard the original creator was trying to get the show going again but Disney won't give up the rights for him to continue it. Or something of that nature.

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Originally Posted by Troy-Bagnell

Also I heard the original creator was trying to get the show going again but Disney won't give up the rights for him to continue it. Or something of that nature.

He's continueing it with a comic that picks up where the cartoon left off.

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Yeah I just saw that, I was looking at some artwork from it. It looks pretty interesting. I don't know if I would read it, seeing as how it was more of a thing I liked as a kid. But if he actually finished the storyline this way, I might be more inclined to pick it up just to get closure. lol, I hate never finishing a story. I even went back and picked up Astro Boy, which I watched when I was like 6.

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Link please?

I wouldn't mind a comic continuation. Is it an online thing or an actual paper comic?

@Jazz: Unfortunately, all the record stores in the city put Gargoyles in the kid's section The Best Buy near here doesn't even have the DVD.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Part 1 are out on DVD. Go buy them now! (Hopefully 1,000 people will actually read this)

So at least there is still a chance that Season 2, Part 2 might come out, but it all just depends on whether enough the first two sets meet some kind of predetermined sales quota. At least the fans will still have something to enjoy in the form of the comic, though, even if the set never gets released (which I personally believe will get released in some shape or form, despite the sales of the previous sets).

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

... in this day and age, if you can't get access to the internet in any way (friend, school, library), then you probably can't afford the sets to begin with.

Thats like saying "If you don't like apples, how can you know how to sail a boat?!" I know tons of internet illiterate people who have more DVDs than anyone has any right to. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Not to mention - way to alienate the people you're trying to pull in, asshole. Don't ever work for a public relations firm - because calling people stupid while trying to sell them something doesn't ever work. I'm sure Greg Wiseman is shaking his fist at you for being as much of a problem as his currently spotty fanbase.

The whole "Tell a 1000 people!" thing is outright lame. That same sales tactic didn't help Firefly, Miracles, Deadwood, Angel, Arrested Development or any number of other shows. If there were another 1000 people interested, they'd buy it. It's not a matter of people being ignorant of it's release - its a matter of people not giving a shit about Gargoyles.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Thats like saying "If you don't like apples, how can you know how to sail a boat?!" I know tons of internet illiterate people who have more DVDs than anyone has any right to. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Being internet illiterate and not having access to the internet is not even the same thing. Besides, my main point was that anybody who really wanted this had the means to know when it was coming out and such. Way to bring up a month old conversation just to bitch about something.

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Not to mention - way to alienate the people you're trying to pull in, asshole. Don't ever work for a public relations firm - because calling people stupid while trying to sell them something doesn't ever work. I'm sure Greg Wiseman is shaking his fist at you for being as much of a problem as his currently spotty fanbase.

Who was I even calling stupid (seriously, quote an instance when I said someone was stupid)? At least try to make sense when you bitch about something.

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

Being internet illiterate and not having access to the internet is not even the same thing.

Which somehow absolves you of calling the people you want to buy the DVDs as stupid?

Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

Besides, my main point was that anybody who really wanted this had the means to know when it was coming out and such.

Then, obviously, no one cares.

Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

Way to bring up a month old conversation just to bitch about something.

Way to reply to the thread before me, to reactivate a month old conversation, genius.

Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

Who was I even calling stupid (seriously, quote an instance when I said someone was stupid)? At least try to make sense when you bitch about something.

Oh yeah - you didn't call them stupid, you called them poor. Way to bolster your arguement.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Which somehow absolves you of calling the people you want to buy the DVDs as stupid?

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Oh yeah - you didn't call them stupid, you called them poor. Way to bolster your arguement.

Do you even check over what you're about to post before you post it? You still go on to say I call them stupid, yet you then go on to say I didn't call them stupid but poor. What was the point of even saying that first part if you're just gonna nullify it by saying something else?

And you obviously haven't even read the thread, as I've already said that I'm not even a fan of the show, so I could care less if people ultimately buy the DVDs or not. Just because I'm informing people in this thread about things doesn't mean that I actually care myself.

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Way to reply to the thread before me, to reactivate a month old conversation, genius.

I like how I'm actually posting in regards to the main point of thread (which as you can see, the last post was made way less than a month ago), while you basically just came in here to troll an aspect of this thread that was just merely a side topic and hadn't been talked about in over a month, genius.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Miles

I'm not even gonna buy the Darkwing Duck set coming out next month if it's the crappy edited version. I want the episodes that were banned from toon disney too. ;_;

Well, I got this today, and there's good and bad news.

The good news is that I believe the episodes aren't the Toon Disney cuts. "You Sweat Your Life" on Toon Disney cut out the part where the instructor threatens Herb with a gun, but there it is on the DVD.

The bad news is that the pilot on the disk is the two-part, edited-for-time-as-opposed-to-content version than the full 48-minute "movie" version. If you can find the official VHS release of that episode from a few years back on eBay, however, you have the best of both worlds.

So please, buy with abandon. Don't let the Gargoyles incident repeat itself.

Now then, can anyone confirm if TaleSpin Volume 1 is free of censorship edits? A good way to check is to watch part 1 of the pilot and see if Karnage says, "This is no time for a Chinese fire drill!"

EDIT: Adding just after I remembered to check - the "Double Darkwings" is the remade version, but that was an official change made while the show was still in production, not a post-production PC edit. In case you don't know, in the original version, which aired exactly twice before it was changed, Jumbalaya Jake has his gator Gumbo chomp down on power lines to cause the blackout, but this was apparently perceived as cruel, as shortly thereafter an alternate scene of the two pouring "Granny's Stew" into a phone receiver to achieve the same effect was voiced, animated, and placed in the episode instead. The original version, I suspect, was likely destroyed, so if you got it on tape, hold onto it.

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Originally Posted by SonicPanda

Now then, can anyone confirm if TaleSpin Volume 1 is free of censorship edits? A good way to check is to watch part 1 of the pilot and see if Karnage says, "This is no time for a Chinese fire drill!"

Yes indeed...11:27 into the first episode, those words left Karnage's mouth. You know, I can see why that would be cut, but...Geez, two thumbs down to a paranoid society.

What I can't believe: After 911, the scenes of the city being blown up are intact, skyscrapers and falling debris and all. Maybe I'm just becoming a member/victim of paranoid society, but that does immediately bring 911 to mind, seeing it now. Hopefully, no one willing to complain to Disney about it will feel the same way. Great music cue in the section though. I had forgotten what a good villain Karnage was...

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The bad news is that the pilot on the disk is the two-part, edited-for-time-as-opposed-to-content version than the full 48-minute "movie" version. If you can find the official VHS release of that episode from a few years back on eBay, however, you have the best of both worlds.

Oh, man. You mean it's the edited version that skips that cool intro where DW captures all those thugs while the DWD song plays? That was one of my favorite openings. Thanks, Disney.

It's nice to hear that Tailspin has been left untouched, though. That's the last Non-Gargoyles/Disney series I remember to feature real guns that shoot real bullets (Darkwing, I believe, sort of went back and forth between real guns and cartoony guns).

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I thought TaleSpin had the edited version of the pilot ep as well? Not too sure on the actual episodes though.

Regardless, I'm still going to get it anyway 'cause TS is one of my favourite TV shows.

Update: Okay, the TS pilot IS edited, but the other eps aren't, so that's still good. One of the worst eps is on the set (All's Whale that Ends Whale) while one of my faves isn't. I forgot the name of the ep, but it was about a hotshot dog pilot named Ace London and lots of pickles. On the bright side, one of the best eps ever, A Bad Reflection On You is on it.

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