Superman Returns

Originally Posted by ShinBojack

Reviews are merely opinions from people we don't really know, so we can't really judge them to our own likes & tastes.

I'm going into this movie with high hopes; after all, Singer ditched X3 for this, and it seems to be a labor of love from him, so hopefully it pays off.

He never really ditched X-Men 3 though. Bryan and his writers were more than willing to jump onboard and finish the X-Trilogy and even agreed to a writing stint on Ultimate X-Men to help bridge the time before pre-production began on X3.
The problems came with 20th Century Fox when they wouldn't negotiate a deal to have Singer direct the film which led to the director trying to renegotiate a deal to direct the film for the next 12 months after X2 had been released. While this was happening Singer pursued other projects such as Sc-Fi Channel's "Triangle" miniseries along with Dean Devlin and then moved onto Warner Bros' remake of "Logan's Run".

It was sometime in 2004 when Singer, along with X2 writers Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty, was working on pre-production for Logan's Run as well as throwing around ideas for X-Men 3 when Warner Bros. contacted him about the possibility of working on a new Superman film after McG left the project. Singer agreed to meet with Alan Horn and co at WB about the film and threw together a basic premise with Harris and Dougherty that told a Superman story that was more of a "return" plot rather than an origin story while using the original 1978 Richard Donner film as some "vague history" for the new film. Warner Bros. loved the pitch and agreed for Singer to direct with all the necessary budget and time he needed, Singer then brought over pretty much all of the X2/Logan's Run crew and began work on Superman Returns in Sydney, Australia.

The rest is well...history. Reportedly Fox were so pissed off for Singer "jumping ship", despite failing to sign him up a year after X2 had been released worldwide, that they had Bryan Singer thrown off the Fox lot....only to have to have him let back on because he was currently directing the pilot episode of "House M.D"....a Fox TV show.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Jesus Christ - and this guy posted his opinion? What ever happened to good taste or intelligence?

That's not the worst offender...

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Superman has been suspected of being a fascist since long before the character even existed--just ask Friedrich Nietzsche. Frank Miller, creator of the milestone comic book The Dark Knight Returns, showed the Man of Steel as a dangerously self-righteous Übermensch. If we needed any more proof, The Road to Guantanamo reveals that power doesn't ennoble, it corrupts--and that's why Superman Returns is a lie. It doesn't matter how much we want to imagine ourselves as god-like heroes hovering above the globe, ready to answer every distant cry for help. For millions around the world, the real face of the last remaining superpower are blindfolded men in hoods and handcuffs getting dragged past barbed-wire fences on the way to interrogation and torture. "I'm always around," Superman promises Lois Lane, but to anybody who has seen The Road to Guantanamo, it sounds like a threat.

http://worldfilm.about.com/od/indepe...nvsgitmo_2.htm

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On some level it's preferable that director Bryan Singer stays out of the material's way to the extent that he does, but after a distended two-and-a-half hours I was longing for the homo hauteur to let fly with his patented queer-release sledgehammer (in such ample use during the eye-candy X-Men pictures) and whack me hard upside the cremaster.

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/fi...ew.asp?ID=2327
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Anyways....So anyone else going to one of the 10pm showings tomorrow night?

FELIPE NO

I really dislike watching movies at night. Maybe its just me, but I much prefer going to movies in the morning to avoid large crowds and get the cheapest prices.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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http://worldfilm.about.com/od/indepe...nvsgitmo_2.htm

Thats the dumbest fucking review Ive read in ages. Worse than the fucker who wrote into Ebert and accused George Lucas of being anti-Bush for opening Revenge Of The Sith in the middle of the week.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Thats the dumbest fucking review Ive read in ages. Worse than the fucker who wrote into Ebert and accused George Lucas of being anti-Bush for opening Revenge Of The Sith in the middle of the week.

WTF...really?

That review though came from RottenTomatoes' which unfortunately recognises and tallies that review, and then some, with the rest of critic reviews which the majority have been overwhelmingly positive anyways.

I guess Ebert & Roeper will be covering the film in this Sunday's show.

Originally Posted by Foshi

I really dislike watching movies at night. Maybe its just me, but I much prefer going to movies in the morning to avoid large crowds and get the cheapest prices.

Generally I like to go to the primetime showings with a big crowd because usually it can heighten the overall experience, especially if the audience is really buzzed for the film.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Thanks for giving that little piece of history there, Simo. Very much aprpeciated.

And I am hoping to hit the 10pm show tomorrow night as well. Only thing that annoys me is most of the time when there are premieres, most of the middle school/high school kids flood in and make all kinds of rude noises and crap like that throughout the show. In that sense, an IMAX showing would be more preferable, as it usually weeds out the kiddies.

Still hoping to see it tomorrow though; though I'm gonna try to find an obscure theatre to go to so that there will be a minimum of pre-pubescent teens in the vicinity.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

10pm showing here I come. I'm going to be completely gay and wear a button up and a tie tomorrow to work, with one of my superman t-shirts under it. i'm sure there will be at least one or two moments during the day (due to the fact that we're in the middle of a phone switch conversion) where I can scream "this looks like a job for Superman and run through the hall way with my shirt halfway unbuttoned showing the S for everyone to see. Maybe they'll send me home again like that time I had my nervous breakdown at work and started screaming and crying at a guy because he asked me to change his password. That would rock!

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Me and a friend are going tomorrow @ 10pm. Hopefully the theatre we are going to won't be too full. It is the best theatre I know for good sound and awesome picture.

Any word on the trailers before the show?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

Me and a friend are going tomorrow @ 10pm. Hopefully the theatre we are going to won't be too full. It is the best theatre I know for good sound and awesome picture.

Any word on the trailers before the show?

The biggest one is the Spider-Man 3 teaser but it won't be shown with IMAX prints unfortunately but the IMAX version does have new trailers for Ant Bully and Happy Feet. Aside from that I'm not sure what other trailers will be playing...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by LeHah

Thats the dumbest fucking review Ive read in ages. Worse than the fucker who wrote into Ebert and accused George Lucas of being anti-Bush for opening Revenge Of The Sith in the middle of the week.

What the hell does releasing a movie in the middle of the week have to do with being anti-Bush? Does he think all movies must be released on fridays and nothing else or something?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by WolfDemon

What the hell does releasing a movie in the middle of the week have to do with being anti-Bush?

People ducking out of work en masse affected the economical stability of the nation or something.

Also - your goddamned girlfriend is fat. Tell her to stop eating all that cake and all those Honda Accords so you can find the TV remote in her disgusting, sore-pocked fat rolls.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by LeHah

Also - your goddamned girlfriend is fat. Tell her to stop eating all that cake and all those Honda Accords so you can find the TV remote in her disgusting, sore-pocked fat rolls.

Whoa! I did not see that one coming when catching up on this thread!

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WolfDemon is somehow dating Amy-Chan. I'm sure you remember the drama we had with her a while back.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I fail to see what my girlfriend has to do with Superman or anti-Bush stuff, but whatever.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Just got back from the 10PM first viewing of Superman Returns at my local theater with my dad (first ones in!) and all I have got to say HOLY CRAP.

I can easily call it my new favorite movie of all time.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Sarmoti, please do tell...how was the picture quality on this sucker?

This was supposed to be the first movie to utilize the Panavision Genesis camera, which is supposed to be the most advanced HD camera out there. So I'm hoping that there should be a noticible jump in PQ over previous films. And I can imagine that a movie with such CG effects and use of colors should definitely show off the Genesis' capabilities.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, the clarity of the film's imagery was incredible. Everything was absolutely clean.

Too bad the movie sucked.

On a more happy note, though, I am now banned from this thread.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It was worth the wait. Easily the best blockbuster of the year. Will have to see it again soon to soak it all in. Probably will go again tomorrow night. Better than Batman Begins by a long shot. X2 doesn't hold a candle. And just think, one day we might see a Superman who can't be harmed by Kryptonite. Unless he develops an allergic reation with age.

The little kid was cool too.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by ziggythecat

Better than Batman Begins by a long shot.

That is highly doubtful. Since Batman is my favorite superhero I doubt Superman will be able to take him down. Seriously, Begins is the best superhero movie ever. Spider-Man 2 is a close second.

I will be seeing Returns in a few hours here.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Foshi

Seriously, Begins is the best superhero movie ever. Spider-Man 2 is a close second.

:cough: Phantom :cough:

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

:cough: Phantom :cough:

I don't what that means.

Anyway, Ebert gave Returns two stars. Said it's characters were badly miscast and the action scenes were lackluster. He also said there was a lack of logic in the characters actions.

Well, I will see for myself in a bit.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Foshi

I don't what that means.

It means he thinks The Phantom is the best super hero movie or something like that.

Anyway I'm seeing this friday with an old friend from high school. Hopefully its as good as it looks.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Foshi

I don't what that means.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I have never seen that movie. Is it worse than this? Btw, I haven't seen this one either.


I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Foshi

I have never seen that movie. Is it worse than this?

A lot of people dislike the Phantom for reasons I will never understand. It's written by the guy who did Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade, directed by the guy who did Lonesome Dove and Quigly Down Under. Has Treat Williams, Billy Zane, Catherine Zeta Jones, Christy Swanson, Patrick McGoohan.

Its a superhero version of Indiana Jones. Its not only FANTASTIC and campy but its completely honorable to its roots more so than any other comic book movie.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Here's my review of Superman Returns copied from my journal -

Fuck what Megalith said. Superman Returns was awesome. This movie gets my vote for movie of the summer so far. Everything about it was fantastic... Well, almost everything. Here are the few flaws-

- Brandon Routh simply isn't Christopher Reeve. He pulls off a fantastic Clark Kent, on par with Reeve, but he can't do Superman like the man himself. However, he is a great replacement.

- Margot Kidder never really thrilled me as Lois Lane, and Kate Bosworth didn't do anything for me either. So, like the previous installments, a lame Lane.

- Some continuity errors and plot holes between Superman 2 and this one. Spoilers-

Spoiler:

It seems like they threw out Lois's realization that Clark = Superman. My friend said that "she made herself forget," but that's something that wasn't shown clearly enough on screen if it is the explanation. Plus, who would forget something like that? I can understand if she moved on from Superman, but forgetting he's Clark? Come on now!

That's really it in terms of flaws. There's one big story twist I didn't see coming that I'm a bit shaky on-

Spoiler:

And that's Superman's kid of course. The entire time during that revelation I kept thinking of Brody in Mallrats saying how Lois could never carry Superman's child. While that's nothing more than fanboy speculation in a movie about comic book fanboys, it still brings up an interesting point. It also doesn't help with the big plothole I mentioned above.

Other than that, this movie is fantastic. It doesn't reach the levels of Batman Begins, but then again, I don't think any movie will for a long time. The only movie that has a shot at Batman's throne is Spider Man 3, and even that has some inherit flaws that it won't touch from Batman (Tobey Maguire as Spider Man. He does a great Peter Parker, but his Spider Man is basically Parker in a suit. No thanks!). Then again, we ARE getting Ghost Rider in February...

I was throughly impressed with everything this movie had to offer. Plenty of throwbacks to the originals, great performances (especially Spacey, GIANT improvement over Hackman), amazing effects, great cinematography, everything. It's everything a blockbuster should be.

Superman Returns - 9/10

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