X-Men 3

Yeah, it took him a minute to realize that what he had always wanted was not what the real Jean would do.

I don't think there's any more to it than that.

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Saw it last night. It was terrible, just as I expected. I'll write more later.

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Just saw it tonight, but I didn't stay to after the credits, can someone tell me exactly what happens at that scene and what is said?

I was speaking idiomatically.

It's a small scene in a hospital that insinuates that Charles is alive. So... Magneto still has his powers and Charles is still alive. Thus, in 3 years we'll see: X-Men: We were kidding three years ago!

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Stupid Rogue, if she didn't leave to go get cured, she could've simply grabbed Phoenix at the end. Or they could've cure needle'd Phoenix. Or that bald kid could've simply stood next to Phoenix. WTF? And was I the only one laughing when Prof X died?

So since the cure is temporary, all the mutants will get their powers back. I wonder if that means Mystique will join the X-men in the next movie to get back at Magneto.

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This was posted on an IMDB thread and I thought it was interesting.

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There was... before Singer left the franchise. For the most part, Fox been slowly trying to sabotage this franchise (i.e. moving up the first X-Men release date from July 2000 from Christmas, liminting the budgets despite its success). Supposedly, there were rumors the Fox, known for being rather conservative, wasn't fond of Singer's sexual orientation.

This is slightly hazy: IIRC, on the commentary for X2, he had laid the groundwork for the Phoenix Saga from the first film, not obviously. Fox was being cheap about the X-Men budget for the firebird in second film, remember this is the Fox "cash cow" franchise. Anyways, Warner saw what Singer did for X-Men, knew Singer's favorite superhero is Superman and dreamed of directing the franchise. Warner made him the offer he couldn't refuse as Vito Corleone eloquently put it.

Now, before jumping ship to Superman Returns since X3 was stuck going nowhere, Marsden was supposed to have a larger role in X3. Marsden and Singer are good friends, which is why he recruited James for Returns. So the Phoenix saga goes like this: As Magneto's experiment to attack by changing the world's most powerful on Liberty Island into mutants failed, it advances Jean's evolution into the Phoenix. In X2, she tells Scott she hasn't been the same since then with her telepathic and telekinetic powers going haywire. Singer mentions something noticing Jean looking at the imploding radiation machine at the end of X1. By the end of X2, Jean delivers speech about said evolution as the Phoenix soars underwater. It's the same one as Charles' in the first film's introduction, verbatim. Coincidental? I think not.

I would watch the DVDs to confirm or dismiss his vision for the Phoenix storyline, but I don't have them with me. Fox fumbled this from the beginning. There have also been interviews and briefs Singer had been planning X3 after X2's success, but nothing happened between Fox and Singer in renegotiating his contract, but also the signing of the actors and actresses involved was delayed. Therefore, Paquin and Marsden went looking for work elsewhere hence their lack of screen time in The Last Stand. We've all heard about Berry's complaints and Singer refused to give into her demands; there are also rumors he was going to write her off or reduce her role in X3. Essentially, there were a lot of backstage politics grounded the third and potentially fourth part of this franchise.

And the sad thing is if Fox could have patiently waited for X3 to be released in summer 2007 (presumably around the same time as Spider-man 3), Singer has stated he gladly would've done the third film. But Fox did everything it could The Last Stand in theaters before Singer's Superman Returns (including increasing the budget to Return's neighborhood, setting a release date before the director was set). Right now, I hear Marvel is not or hesitant about announcing a sequel until the Fox's rights to the company expire. However, all of Marvel's current projects and collaborations are still with Fox.

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Yeah, Rogue was pretty stupid. Cellophane sex isn't so bad...

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Originally Posted by Koneko

Pheonix clearly picked up on Logan's desire to have his way with Jean and jumped on the opportunity.

She literally jumped on him, more or less.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

It's a small scene in a hospital that insinuates that Charles is alive. So... Magneto still has his powers and Charles is still alive. Thus, in 3 years we'll see: X-Men: We were kidding three years ago!

I had to see that film, twice. The first time was with a bunch of local friends and the second time with some univeristy friends who had just come back from their exams. I can't believe I saw that film twice and did not see that part at the end of the film. Next time I'm going to protest the idea of leaving the cinema without having seen all of the credits footage for food.

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This is an interview with Patrick Stewart that kind of highlights some of the failings of this movie. Especially concerning the lack of character development and the studio's push to have this film out as soon as possible.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_me...ype=videolarge

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Originally Posted by VitaPup

This was posted on an IMDB thread and I thought it was interesting.

People on the internet who think that companies are out to ruin their favorite franchises are dime-a-dozen idiots. Obviously, FOX wouldn't have invested at all if they wanted to "ruin" anything; why spend the money?

I'll tell you flat out that nothing had to do with "Singer's sexual orientation". I don't see him being aquitted of child molestation during Apt Pupil ruining his career - why would being gay?

You have to be especially careful of what you read on IMDB these days; it's more or less just another Wiki where people post stuff that they want to see/hear/believe. But unlike Wiki, getting stuff removed or edited once its on IMDB is very, very tough.

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I was refering mostly to the later 1/2 of the article where it talks about the phoenix in the prior movies and fox rushing the movie out to theaters.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by VitaPup

I was refering mostly to the later 1/2 of the article where it talks about the phoenix in the prior movies

Singer has mentioned in interviews that the Phoenix was a last minute addition to the script. If you read the comic adaptation of X2, you'll see the originally scripted fate of Stryker (Magneto kills him) - which shows how late in the game some of the changes were made, given that the comic was made from the script and took probably about 5 weeks to adapt, draw, etc.

Originally Posted by VitaPup

...and fox rushing the movie out to theaters.

FOX made an investment. Why should they NOT rush to get a hot property out their doors? Movies are costing more and more money and taking in less and less profit. Sitting on the dailies and rushes does not pay FOX's bills.

This is just the internet telling it's self it's important and intelligent when all it is is some 14 year old thinking he's smart by connecting the dots to things that aren't even there. (I'm not talking about YOU, Im talking about the general "conspiracy theory" internet assholes)

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Originally Posted by VitaPup

I was refering mostly to the later 1/2 of the article where it talks about the phoenix in the prior movies and fox rushing the movie out to theaters.

Yes it was definately rushed as I saw in the movies today: A lack of character development, a seemingly forced movement in story and less screen-time for some of the major characters in the prequels. Also, I'm not familiar with the Comic books version, but do the characters die/devolve as quick as they do in the movie? 5 minutes in, Cyclops dies, Mystique devolves half an hour in, and Professor Xavier dies shortly after that. WTH?

Argh, I read about the surprise ending in the newspaper review but forgot to stay. Damnit. BTW, how does it insinuate that Xavier is alive?

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I find it amazing that so many people are willing to accept that Cyclops is dead. We never see a body and the fact that every character has to repeatedly remind us that he's dead is more like them shoving a foreshadowing clue down our throats that he ISN'T dead.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

I find it amazing that so many people are willing to accept that Cyclops is dead. We never see a body and the fact that every character has to repeatedly remind us that he's dead is more like them shoving a foreshadowing clue down our throats that he ISN'T dead.

I don't know... I suppose if they insinuate that Xavier is alive then...

I don't think Cyclops could've survived that attack from Phoenix. Sure he may be powerful but she was "off the scale" (or so they say). BTW, does he survive in the comic book (or was the Phoenix arc completely warped)?

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Originally Posted by chaofan

I don't know... I suppose if they insinuate that Xavier is alive then...

I don't know if "insinuation" is the proper word given that we hear Patrick Stewart's voice.

Originally Posted by chaofan

I don't think Cyclops could've survived that attack from Phoenix.

Why?

Originally Posted by chaofan

Sure he may be powerful but she was "off the scale" (or so they say).

We also don't see what she does, really. Any number of things could've happened after the camera cut away. Theres no evidence to support Scott being dead aside from supposition and third party dialouge.

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BTW, does he survive in the comic book (or was the Phoenix arc completely warped)?

The movie and the comic are two entirely seperate stories. The comic is incredibly sweeping and epic - the movie is not.

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I'm aware of some X-men stuff, but I wouldn't know how strong Cyclops is. But hell if Phoenix can "shake" a whole island like that then what chance does he have?

I forgot to see the Xavier bit at the end of the credits, but okay.

And I agree that your view of the movie. You can virtually feel the lack of love in making that movie. I think I might read to comics to get a better understanding of the X-men world... But where to get?

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Oh wait, I know where to get the comics -_-' duhhh

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Originally Posted by chaofan

I'm aware of some X-men stuff, but I wouldn't know how strong Cyclops is. But hell if Phoenix can "shake" a whole island like that then what chance does he have?

I don't see her shaking an island during the scene with Scott. It would seem that her powers manifest themselves in different ways.

Originally Posted by chaofan

And I agree that your view of the movie. You can virtually feel the lack of love in making that movie. I think I might read to comics to understand the movies more... But where to get?

Recommended Reading

Days Of Future Past
God Loves, Man Kills (Basis for X2, much better story than the movie was. Be careful not to get an AWFUL follow-up of the same name)
Dark Phoenix Saga

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I never expected u to be a reader of X-men LeHah, and such a devoted one, at that..

Seeing as ur the one who probably knows the most, can u recommend me some X-men comic series that don't treat us to lots of colorful costumes and a flurry of neverending new introductions (which becomes more and more confusing by the letter)..In other words, the more "mature" ones, if you will?

Im thinking something along the line of Ultimate X-Men and that style, i been a fan since i was like 7 but sadly we didn't get more than 6 issues here in egypt (late issues of Uncanny X-men, i guess, between 234-265 iirc)..

Recommend !

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Zato-1

I never expected u to be a reader of X-men LeHah, and such a devoted one, at that..

I devoted a long period in my young life to comics. Now that I'm older, while I don't really collect anymore, theres a number of facets to my old hobby that I still enjoy. I love buying the occassional comic to see what an artist is up to - Al Williamson or Sal Buschema, especially.

Originally Posted by Zato-1

In other words, the more "mature" ones, if you will?

I already recommended God Loves, Man Kills above. It's a VERY heavy issue that covers racism, religious animosity and ethical questions in a more "worldly" fashion than most comics would. They actually have one of the X-Men scream "Nigger" in one scene.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

ok great, gonna check it, but recommend more.. also, do u know what's the last (/released) issue of Ultimate X-men?

Oh and i forgot, do u know any sites that count as good comic book resources? Anything related? Share share !!

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I'm not sure if any of those Amazon.com links are for the right titles, given the reviews. However, the COVER is the correct image for God Loves, Man Kills

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chaofan, If you want the Dark Phoenix Saga, I posted the entire thing in the comic board here.


Also, If anyone is interested in Days of Future Past, I could also post that up.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

I'm not sure if any of those Amazon.com links are for the right titles, given the reviews. However, the COVER is the correct image for God Loves, Man Kills

The crappy sequel is found here, so no worries.

If you're really seeking to lose the spandex, you could read the Grant Morrison run of New X-Men. He starts with "E is for Extinction" and ends with "Here comes Tomorrow". The plot sorta implodes after the twist in "Planet X", though.

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http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4329

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New Details on the X-Men Spinoffs
Source: USA Today June 1, 2006

USA Today has published an update on the various "X-Men" spinoffs in the works, including Wolverine, Magneto, one on the kids and another on Emma Frost. The newspaper's scoop:

The first spinoff will be Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. His character has an as-yet-unrevealed back story in which researchers replaced his original bones with a metal skeleton. Jackman has signed on to star and co-produce, and X-Men producer Lauren Shuler Donner says it will likely head into production next year.

"We've also talked about doing something on the kids in (Professor X's) school, focusing on their lives, and less of a global adventure for the team," says Hutch Parker, production president of 20th Century Fox.

The studio is also exploring a movie with Three Kings director David O. Russell based on the character of Emma Frost, a sexy mutant telepath who can transform her skin into diamonds. She is an X-Men comics regular but was not featured in the movies.

Another likely solo project: Magneto, also in the script phase. The film will focus on his youthful pre-villain days, Shuler Donner says.

Though it would require a younger actor for those sequences, she says the film would need Ian McKellen to anchor the flashbacks. "What's a Magneto movie without Ian?" she asks.

We'll be following all the projects closely.

Just how many spinoffs are they planning to do? We've got Wolverine, Magneto, and now Emma Frost who hasn't even appeared in the movies. I remember reading about them planning to do a Mystique movie.

Why so many spinoffs and not X4? Damn you Fox.

If Emma Frost gets a spinoff, then damn it I want my Nightcrawler movie.

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