[PS2] Xenosaga III: Also Sprach Zarathustra

Am I the only one who feels that maybe just maybe Shion is just a machine like Kos-Mos? I just smell that plot twist coming up!!! :biggrin:

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Has anyone heard anymore about the spoiler leak on the demo cd?
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Originally Posted by vertigo

This in unconfirmed whether the following informaiton is a hoax or not.

Some snooping was done on the XenoIII demo CD and some sploilerific material was found. Here's the post about some of the material:

Spoiler:

All thanx to Kouli from gamefaqs who readed the demo database and revealed all these!

WARNING!!!!!! the following post contains MAJOR spoilers of the Xenosaga mysteries (e.g. chaos, nephilim)so if you don't want to ruin the fun DON'T READ IT!!
However I know spoilers are as sweet as a deal with the devil (Albedo said that xD) so it's up to you.

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1. Heinlein IS Wilhelm
2. The cut-scene with little Kevin and his mother is taken place in Michtam. Her mother is one of the people of Zohar.
3. chaos, exists when the universe was born, with the power of the Anima to form the body with a human's shape and consciousness, holds the power of the dimensional failsafe of the universe. Release of the failsafe is basically annihilation, so back in those times, the power was divided by another existence, Maria the Animus. That's the basic jist of it. When he regains his power, he will make a dimensional shift to LJ/Earth.
4. KOS MOS will be awakened to be Maria, when she defeats Telos. But, some special changes with Maria's memories, yes, she is Maria, but she's no the real Maria, a new personality was created. The DataBase suggested Sakura and MOMO as example.
5. Just above the E.S, they will explain back to chaos/Anima, and Maria/Animus. E.S is basically half of chaos and when Maria divided that power for chaos, her half of the Anima was spreaded out through the UMN. And a quick recap of the E.S:

Asher, chaos and Jr
Issachar, Pellegri
Gad, Richard
Simeon, Albedo (note here, White Testament got a different body but it's the same as Simeon)
Zebulun, Ziggy and Momo
Dan, Voyager
Dinah, KOS MOS
Naphatali, Virgil
Judah, Kevin
Joseph, Hermann
Ruben, Jin
Levi, Margulis

For other potential cool mech, there are:

Omega Id, Omega Universitas, Omega Metempsychosis, Omega Res Novae, Erde Kaiser, Erde Kaiser Alpha, Erde Kaiser Fury...etc

6. Nephilim and Abel, hmph, I see words on Nephilim which is a human born in LJ/Earth. Basically, that Grimore programmer and Vector, they were doing this Lemegeton program, which is control the Zohar. When the test fails, Nephilim was the first one to disappear, so yeah, back in all those time, she was technically the first to disappear. And the odd thing is, when Nephilim disappears, Abel shows up. Which seems to be they can't co-exist or they have the 'because then therefore' effect going on.

Abel, he is the supposed pilot of Omega and uses the Zohar as main energy source. He's got the autism state going on, so normal communication is impossible. So, they were using the UMN support system to try to communicate with him. His real identity is to act as the side sustance of the lowend domain's observation terminal of, UDO. You can say that UDO picked Abel as a physical form. Yuriev will try to use Abel to obtain Omega, as the weapon to defy God. Abel's conscious side is basically the Ark itself. I'll rewrite this bit tomorrow, all that high end and lowend stuff of UDO is fuzzy.

As for Maria no Miko, maiden of Maria or daughter of Maria, whatever you want, both work with the context. That's Shion's early incarnation.
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That is all for now. You've been warned. More to come....
(Personally I didn't read anything).

References:
http://www.xenolegacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3085
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gen...topic=27901846

Note:
I only read the first line of the spoiler material before I had to stop and just blindly copy the whole post for here. So don't ask me for any hints because I haven't read it XD

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The year between episode II and III is being told at the following site:

http://www.xenosaga.jp/xenosaga3/download/missing.html

Here's the address for the current english translations

http://www.labyrinthos.org/jinx/changelog.html

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I've also seen Kouli's spoilers, but I managed to resist. I quickly read over the text, picking up some terms here and there, but nothing to significant, except for the first line in your spoiler box, which only confirmed something that I was expecting.

As for the "Missing Year":

Spoiler:

This is the first thing I hear about someone actually controlling the Gnosis, I wonder how they'll implement this in the story with the previous events taken into account.

Apparently, this "Grimoire Verum" is the main guy behind the Zohar project back in the days of Lost Jerusalem. It seems that the gnosis aren't a new phenomenon, but that they showed up around the same time as the Zohar. It seems that the research, called Lemegeton (katakana) is also responsible for the disappearance of Lost Jerusalem.

Vecto took this Lemegeton with him, and Joachim placed it in some special realian (perhaps even something related to it in momo since Wilhelm says that there's still something beyond the Y-data?).

The story focuses around Grimoire's daughter who was supposedly used in the experiments. The girl refers to herself as Nephilim, could it be the same one as Shion knows?

I'm glad to see that the gnosis threat isn't being neglected, since it was very disappointing in Episode II. Although I'm a little sceptic to see how they'll implement this new villain, I'm curious, although it wouldn't be surprised if it's also Wilhelm.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Here are a couple magazine scans. It covers Wilhelm, the red, blue, and white Testaments, E.S. Simeon, E.S. Judah, and E.S. Naphtali. If you haven't seen the promo trailers that show the Testaments' identities, you might want to skip these.

http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/8...ni225052jn.jpg

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/1...ni225060qx.jpg

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Hum, this game seems to have fallen off of my radar. Have any, ideally non-spoiler, trailers been released where one can get a sample of the battle and exploration music for this episode?

Also, from what I understand Lia Sargent is back to play Shion (awesome), and Bridget Hoffman will be doing KOS-MOS once again (double awesome.) Unfortunately, Joshua Seth (Ep.2 chaos) will be back. Still up in the air about Sherry Lynn coming back to do Momo, however reports say she's been spotted around the Bandai recording studio working on something. Guess we'll find out soon enough, but I'd be very happy if she made a comeback.

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I really hope so. Lynn was excellent as MOMO, to the point that I felt she did a better job with her than Sasami. She was the one voice change that I regretted the most.

I kind of prefer EPII chaos to the original, though. Has a darker feel to it, which might be necessary once his true origin is revealed.

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Shiny E3 2k6 Trailer is hyah (here): http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/xeno...de3/media.html

In english~

I was speaking idiomatically.

The first review of the game is out. Dengeki scored it this week. Don't know what each reviewer said about it yet though.

Xenosaga Episode III: Zarathustra wa Kaku Katariki (PS2, Bandai Namco): 80 / 75 / 85 / 85

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EB and GameStop have this on their pre-order lists now -- reseved mine a few days ago.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

Shiny E3 2k6 Trailer is hyah (here): http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/xeno...de3/media.html

In english~

Great to hear the original voices for Shion and KOS-MOS are back.

And the soundtrack sounds fucking awesome.

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ok if epidose III come with a dvd of all the cut-scene and story of Episode II i'm sold!

it's seem that they learn they lesson with the episode and the episode 3 really do start to interest me, but I really doN,t want to play through the episode II >.<

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Originally Posted by Motsy

Great to hear the original voices for Shion and KOS-MOS are back.

And the soundtrack sounds fucking awesome.

Shion yes, but I didn't hear KOS-MOS's voice in that trailer. I heard T-Elos's voice, and it sounded a lot like the original KOS-MOS, so maybe that VA is voicing both characters. It's a good possibility if that really is her doing T-Elos's voice.

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Here's more of the review.

Xenosaga Episode III

80/75/85/85

Pros:

- Battle engine has good pace, there's some strategy involved, and the balance between character and mecha battles is good.

- The minigame "GeMix!?" is so indepth and expansive that it goes far and beyond what a bonus game normally is.

- The game systems are pretty simple (in a good way), and the story is advanced in a good pace.

- There are many movie sequences that do a good job of showing off the story. The worldview is very refined and is up there with the best.

Cons:

- If you've never played the previous games in the series, you'll be completely lost. Although there is a story review of the previous games available, it only merely summarizes the core details.

- Although you can see the enemy encounters on the maps, unfortunately the camera is fixed. If only the minimap showed enemy positions as well...

- While the battles have been simplified, it's also very hard to get much money.

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Man, game reviews these days don't even help. I'd really like to know if the game-to-story sequences flow better. The thing that has always bothered me about Xenosaga I/II is you spend 15 minutes in a story sequence then 30 minutes in a gameplay sequence that offers no story advancement the entire time. Gameplay is pretty much get from point A to point B before you can advance the story.

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I'm personally interested in more details about this "GeMix!?" minigame that the review mentioned. Is it an elaboration on the card game? Or something completely new?

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Originally Posted by Cetra

Man, game reviews these days don't even help. I'd really like to know if the game-to-story sequences flow better. The thing that has always bothered me about Xenosaga I/II is you spend 15 minutes in a story sequence then 30 minutes in a gameplay sequence that offers no story advancement the entire time. Gameplay is pretty much get from point A to point B before you can advance the story.

Well, it seems the final chapter of X.S offers something from both "worlds" whether it's from the story or game side. And, it's true that the reviewers sometimes may be crap. Games like these, you just need to play to judge for yourself whether it's good or bad.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

I'm personally interested in more details about this "GeMix!?" minigame that the review mentioned. Is it an elaboration on the card game? Or something completely new?

It's sort of like an alternate world puzzle game. If you ever have played Wild Arms 2, GeMix is actually very similar to the Millennium Puzzles that you have to complete with Lilka. Basically you have to push blocks and use tools to get from the start of the puzzle to the end.

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Well, it seems the final chapter of X.S offers something from both "worlds" whether it's from the story or game side

Well maybe I should have been more clear. I don't dislike the long story sequences, or the amount of gameplay in the last two games, I just dislike how they are basically separated. There is no gameplay during the story and no story during the gameplay, if that makes sense. They really need to integrate the two better like most other RPGs do. I do have some hopes for this game though, if anything the mechas having an "Anima Awakening" choice in the menu has me excited about the storyline prospect in this one. I really liked the focus on the Gears in Xenogears and have been really disappointed with their roles in Xenosaga thus far. It seems that will change with the final chapter though.

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Ign has two new english battle videos.

I can't post the link though since I apparently don't have enough posts.

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Thanks for the information KNanakase

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There is, it's the three against one and boss battle

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/757/757372/vids_1.html ^^

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oh god I really don't like that >.< now it's just a simple rpg battle system with special ability and magic and everything like... most rpg out there.... I really miss the combo system of the first one ; ;

but those gear battle really look better and funnier too...

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Originally Posted by Inhert

oh god I really don't like that >.< now it's just a simple rpg battle system with special ability and magic and everything like... most rpg out there.... I really miss the combo system of the first one ; ;

It's not as bad as it looks. It's really a pretty good system. It's A LOT better than the battle system in Episode II.

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I know that it will still be somewhat good because they stick with the basic rpg battle system, you can't really go wrong with that... it's just not really innovative to just keep the basic. Note that on the video it looked really basic maybe in game it will be different and will have mor variety that we have seen... the gears battle had something interesting with those anima lv or something.

but they should have keep a combo system like in epI it was really fun. and in xenogears too it was like that and I think that they should have took this system as a basis for battle system for the series (with each episode adding somthing new to this and not change it completely)

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by B.K.

It's not as bad as it looks. It's really a pretty good system. It's A LOT better than the battle system in Episode II.

Don't worry what they say. There'll always be those type of people that will have those kind of comments. It's just best to play the game as it is and enjoy to it's fullest. So what if there's these people that think ill of this battle system. That won't stop you from playing the game.

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