The Power of Water

Check this out... I found this amazing. Where do you think we will see this in 5 years? Maybe it will completely replace gas by then.

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damn, BC was supposed to make a water powered car years ago....

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Originally Posted by Free.User

Check this out... I found this amazing. Where do you think we will see this in 5 years? Maybe it will completely replace gas by then.

Not unless Evian somehow acquires more political pull than Exxon or Halliburton.

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Originally Posted by Comments below article

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WOW!! We are looking at the next Bill Gates.
Comment by Saul V, posted on May22 at 1:27 pm
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No, no we’re not.

He’s just running a hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine. It’s already been done: Ford and BMW do it, except they use pure hydrogen from a tank, as opposed to the highly dangerous hydrogen oxygen mixture this guy keeps bottled up.

Here’s a video of the BMW H2R if nobody’s seen it already: http://www.automotoportal.com/articl...MW_CleanEnergy

Plus, he’s getting the hydrogen from electrolysis - so his car is essentially being powered by the local power company, albeit circuitously.
Comment by AES, posted on May22 at 1:42 pm
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AES is completely correct. BMW’s modified 7-series with a Hydrogen powerplant is the way of the future; when it comes to using Hydrogen to power cars. This guy however is playing with fire. I wonder what would happen if he crashed his car? (insert images of the Hindenburg here).

Jon.

Nice clarification on this. Not quite the pioneer you think he is.

Originally Posted by More...

apparently this guy claims that the alternator gets up enough power to convert the water into this magical HHO gas just as it enters the cylinder so its safe to be stored, which is impossible. he also claims to have 39 patents for the process, but if you search his name or aquygen, you won’t find any patents filed. his ideas are modified from brown’s, who has been proven to have used “brown’s gas” (HHO, aquygen, and browns gas are all the same) as a scam. now denny klein said that he had the rights to browns patents (not true), but then when asked why browns patented method wouldn’t produce the results it claimed, klein said that brown left out some important step in the process that only he knows. basically, its a huge hoax, besides that, 3 years ago (not sure if its still true) a gallon of gasoline without taxes was cheaper than a gallon of water.

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This isn't new stuff. Splitting water molecules into hydrogen has been around for a long time. The only problem is that splitting water molecules is very expensive for any practical use. Also, hydrogen tends to blow up very easily. Anyone remember the Hindenburg zeppelin? How it blew up because of a small spark?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, the car part wasn't the part that really facinated me. I found the blowtorch quite interesting. And even if the technology isn't that new, it may be new to many people here, and is certainly interesting to see.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

ya, it's neat how it's not hot to the touch when he grabs the nozzle, and then it turns back into water after

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Regardless, I would really love it if one day water-powered cars did come into society as the norm. I guess that's currently unfathomable.

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This is one conspiracy theory I'd actually pay some credence to.

There's just too much money in oil for me to honestly believe that they'd be honest enough to allow something like this to take off.

Not that this guy isn't a total nut, but I'm sure somebody somewhere in a lab has come up with a viable alternative by now.

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Ever watch Mythbusters? There was an episode that that tested several "gas saving" devices, none of them actually saved gas except used vegitable oil, but there was a device similar to this. The reason it didn't work was because it couldn't produce enough hydrogen but the point is that they tested a canaster of pure hydrogen being fed into a gas powered car and it ran smoothly. If you could make it produce enough hydrogen to make a gasoline powered car run, then oil companies are in serious trouble =).

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Just set up some solar panels to collect the energy to break down the hydrogen. Problem solved. Your biggest issue would be the stability of such a fuel in a moving vehical.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I really don't think hydrogen cars will be of much use. You'll need to compress compress all that hydrogen gas into liquid into some tank. And think what will happen if you get into a car crash. BOOM!

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Originally Posted by Free.User

Well, the car part wasn't the part that really facinated me. I found the blowtorch quite interesting. And even if the technology isn't that new, it may be new to many people here, and is certainly interesting to see.

Its water plasma in one case (the superhot torch) and it's hydrogen in the other (the torch making beads of water). Nothing new in either case.

Originally Posted by Gumby

Just set up some solar panels to collect the energy to break down the hydrogen. Problem solved. Your biggest issue would be the stability of such a fuel in a moving vehical.

No. It's breaking water down to hydrogen. Not "breaking down hydrogen". And you'd have to set up a damned lot of solar panels to draw the power needed to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen fast enough to use for anything. And it's spelled "vehicle", not "vehical".

And anybody who believes this Klein nut for even a minute should be embarassed.

First off, this "HHO" and "Brown's Gas" is a load of shit. It's just water. Diatomic hydrogen and oxygen. HHO is just a different way of saying H2O. Second, the guy is from Clearwater! Scientology central! The fucking nut capital of the USA!

I was speaking idiomatically.

I think GM's thing with that corn-based fuel is the next big thing. It's efficient, renewable, cheap to make, and until it becomes more available the same engines can run on deisel.
Now if only we can figure out what their problem is with people wanting fuel efficient cars and why it pains them so much to acknowledge that California and Florida aren't the only states with rising gas prices >.>

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Corn based fuel? You mean fuel that uses corn? I'm not sure what that is but if it uses corn don't you think that's kind of pointless? Instead of the oil going into cars the oil is going into growing more corn to power the cars.

Which would mean either way the oil is being used for transportation. Only one method has it going into something else before making it to the car. >_>

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Converting H20 to H-OH gas requires more energy to be put in the system than would be output by the system as you are breaking bonds.

Something tells me we aren't getting the whole story with this technology. I'm sure that torch was drawing a heavy amount of electrical energy and I'm willing to bet the gasoline part of his car is used to power the H20 -> H-OH gas conversion process.

This is what sucks about the energy crisis. This is no easy answer to the problem.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

Converting H20 to H-OH gas requires more energy to be put in the system than would be output by the system as you are breaking bonds.

Aren't H2O and H-OH one and the same?

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This is what sucks about the energy crisis. This is no easy answer to the problem.

Yes, there is: Waste less energy.

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Originally Posted by ArrowHead

Aren't H2O and H-OH one and the same?

Unless my memory's failed me, I think the molecules are arranged differently.

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Originally Posted by Koneko

Unless my memory's failed me, I think the molecules are arranged differently.

Yes and no. In HOH, as in water, the H ions and OH molecules are held together by ionic forces. HHO gas is essentially plasma made up of H+ ions and OH- ions and held loosely together by dispersion forces. HHO gas is also a bunch of BS because it is written like it is a single molecule, however it's not. It's just hydrogen and hydroxide ions in close proximity to each other.

This guy is basically either creating HHO gas by adding energy and breaking the HOH bond (which requires energy) then reforms the HOH bond though HHO gas which releases energy; or he is using 'pre-made' HHO gas which was already formed somewhere else using plenty of energy. The latter is unlikely since HHO is extremely unstable and wouldn't last long unless it is in a superheated environment. The funny thing far less energy is released when an H-OH bond is created compared to the amount of energy required to break an H-OH bond. And since HHO isn't found naturally like coal is, it requires human generated energy to make HHO fuel.

The result of using HHO gas as an energy source would result in a net energy loss.


HHO makes great torches though as seen. Rather than storing dangerous H and OH gas under pressure in tanks, you can just lug around water as fuel. It also burns quite cool as shown in the video.

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