Sony Press Conference (discussion and live stream)

Originally Posted by GELB-2

Well for one it looked like a fucking boomerang. Your point sucks.

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Who are you kidding, the Nintendo Remote will come with channel and option buttons. Nintendo trying to cut into other peoples markets since they can't get their own right.

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Um, Nintendo's stated time and time again that their consoles are for gaming only. Even in the unlikely event that Wii's remote will function as a universal remote as well, (I don't know where the hell you got that from) it still barely taps into TV manufacturer's main offering. TVs!

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Originally Posted by Grubdog

It just gets worse, from the official Sony Japan site - http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509ae.pdf

Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration
feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.

Jesus, do they really want to fail that bad?

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Originally Posted by Grubdog

It just gets worse, from the official Sony Japan site - http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509ae.pdf

Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration
feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.

Wait, wait, wait. They removed vibration because it disrupts the sensors? Does this mean if I jerk my arm in the slightest by accident while playing I could severely fuck up in whatever I'm playing? I hope there's an option to turn this 'feature' off or atleast not be as sensitive as I think it is.

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Interesting. I'm gonna miss the vibration feature. Oh well.

I hope too many games do not take advantage of the motion sensing feature. I can imagine someone playing Ace Combat or something with it, looking like a jackass.

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Originally Posted by Technophile

Um, Nintendo's stated time and time again that their consoles are for gaming only. Even in the unlikely event that Wii's remote will function as a universal remote as well, (I don't know where the hell you got that from) it still barely taps into TV manufacturer's main offering. TVs!

My entire point was to make up as ridiculous an arguement as the people shouting about how Sony is constantly stealing stuff but apparently I'm NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH.

loooool tv remote though

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by GELB-2

My entire point was to make up as ridiculous an arguement as the people shouting about how Sony is constantly stealing stuff but apparently I'm NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH.

Because your argument is flawed! Are you seriously trying to imply that there's nothing odd about Sony suddenly anouncing a tacked on motion sensing feature now that it's established that it's Wii's main selling point?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Taterdemalion

About the new DualShock, I do recall Phil Harrison saying that there was movement across x,y and z axes. So it isn't quite as limited as some have cried. And how can anyone make comparisons between the PS3 controller and the Wii controller when nobody has viewed the Wii controller in action?

Nobody here has played the PS3 controller either. If self experience is what designates who should talk about ANYTHING, then we wouldn't be able to talk about the PS3 or the Nintendo Wii at ALL. Educative speculation is what leads us to draw comparisons and conclusions between things we haven't ourselves seen or experienced. Point in case, everybody here has a right to express their opinions about either console in an objective manner.

Personally, I don't like what Sony did with their "6 degree" controller. Why do you think everybody is getting annoyed over the fact that it's such a blatant rip-off of the Wii remote?
Because it's wrong. Because ripping off competitors' hardware capabilities is wrong. Unless you honestly have something to add to the experience, it's just a me-too add on. And not only that, but Sony is being hypocritical! They say "no gimmicks" but then they reveal the "6 degree" controller and the Eyetoy and the likes. It's sick. And this kind of hypocritical behavior is sick and should not be condoned.


On a side note...
You know, one of your problems, Mucknuggle, is that you defend the PS3 yet you dismiss any responsibility from your words by saying things like this:

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Woop dee doo. I'm pretty sure people will buy the PS3 for the games and the graphics. I really doubt that most will care about this new feature.

You guys really do bitch too much. It's a fucking videogame system. Why are you taking this shit so seriously? So, you think that the Wii has a better controller, wonderful. No need to whine and moan about the PS3.

Really, now, stop trying to act like your the only rational voice on this board.

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Yeah, it's November 11th for Japan, 17th for everywhere else. Mucknuggle's right, people are gonna want this like a thirsty man wants water.

Why drink water when you could drink... Wii? Hehe, just kidding. Like Cassamasina said, we all make fun and joke around about it because really, it's not serious business. It's just a name, and that's it, nothing more, nothing less. The only people concerned about the name are people who are concerned about image, and let me ask you, since when was the video game industry ever associated with image?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Grubdog

It just gets worse, from the official Sony Japan site - http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509be.pdf (?)

Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration
feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.

Grubdog -

What you quote below isn't in the PDF file linked.
Can you provide a link to the article that you are quoting?!

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Sorry, fixed the link.

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Originally Posted by Dayvon

Is this aimed at Whiining Wii fans? Or at those complaining about whiining wii fans?

for the ones complaining about the Wii fans.

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Originally Posted by Technophile

Because your argument is flawed! Are you seriously trying to imply that there's nothing odd about Sony suddenly anouncing a tacked on motion sensing feature now that it's established that it's Wii's main selling point?

What's hilarious is how everyone attributes Sonys "stealing" to Nintendos failure. It's not like they take an idea and then go to Nintendos HQ and kill everyone who came up with or can enhance it. Nintendos own incompetency is what sets them back from being number one, not anyone else. PS2 was arguably the weakest of the last gen consoles, and yet it was a complete powerhouse. Obviously this is somehow related to them ripping off Nintendo all the time.

It's not even the same fucking thing. From the looks of it it's a gyro whereas the TV remote is a complete motion sensor you have to actually swing around and shit..

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Originally Posted by Grubdog

It just gets worse, from the official Sony Japan site - http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509be.pdf (?)

Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration
feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.

Apparently this is in addition to the lack of a HDMI output and various memory card and SD card support, and internal internet support. Certainly mirrors Microsoft's 360 launch where if you got the core version of the console you basically got a crippled version of the console. Seems like if you want a real PS3 you gotta fork over that $599.

As for the Wii rip, whatever, whats done is done (shame they took out the rumble though, maybe its because they thought Nintendo was going to do it) and its not like the technology/idea is totally ruined because of it.

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Like Cassamasina said, we all make fun and joke around about it because really, it's not serious business. It's just a name, and that's it, nothing more, nothing less. The only people concerned about the name are people who are concerned about image, and let me ask you, since when was the video game industry ever associated with image?

That's always been my stand on the names for consoles, so we're in agreement there, I don't know where you got that I had any problem with it. I'm just saying that the sheep will buy the PS3 because of the massive marketing it'll have surrounding it and because the other guy has one. Contrary to popular belief, casuals are the most important gamers to these guys, not us.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by GELB-2

Well for one it looked like a fucking boomerang. Your point sucks.

And the Wii-mote looks like a remote, only the "re" is replaced by the console's name, "Wii".

Goofy, sure, but as I was saying so was calling the Dual-Shock 3 a fucking boomerang.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Matt

And the Wii-mote looks like a remote, only the "re" is replaced by the console's name, "Wii".

Goofy, sure, but as I was saying so was calling the Dual-Shock 3 a fucking boomerang.

That's what makes it so fucking LAME. You take a lame gimmick and then compound it with an even worse console name. It's like a big failure sandwich.

At least the boomerang had relevance that didn't suck.

EDIT: Wasn't Sony being sued over the vibration feature in the dual shocks? If so the "removal" from the newer controllers could be an awesomely played copout.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by GELB-2

What's hilarious is how everyone attributes Sonys "stealing" to Nintendos failure. It's not like they take an idea and then go to Nintendos HQ and kill everyone who came up with or can enhance it. Nintendos own incompetency is what sets them back from being number one, not anyone else. PS2 was arguably the weakest of the last gen consoles, and yet it was a complete powerhouse. Obviously this is somehow related to them ripping off Nintendo all the time.

It's not even the same fucking thing. From the looks of it it's a gyro whereas the TV remote is a complete motion sensor.

Look this isn't about the reasons leading to Nintendo's failure. I'm talking about this case in particular. (I'm sure Nintendo has made a lot of mistakes that harmed them) When it comes down to it, what Sony did here totally comes off as a cheap, rip-off. They copied an idea but are making it available in what seems like a more limited functionality only to shoot back at Nintendo. Unless they have something substantialy new to offer with this whole "free movement" deal, they should not mess with it.

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Nah, you get me wrong, Metal Sphere, the "you" is aimed at a general audience, not specifically you. The joke was the only thing aimed at your comment, everything else was my own opinion. Apologies for the confusion.

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Obviously from the linked article (thanks Grubdog!) we can see that the Wii remote and the PS3 controllers are completely different.

PS3 controller detects 2 things in 360 degrees, Acceleration & Tilt

Wii controller identifies controller position in 3D space at any given moment.

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The vibration was probably removed because Sony got sued for using the technology. I don't think that they're allowed to use it anymore.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

The vibration was probably removed because Sony got sued for using the technology. I don't think that they're allowed to use it anymore.

Exactly what I was thinking. There had to be some other reason aside from messing with the sensors. Come on Sony, we're not dumb.

GG in court though hahaha they got owned hardcore.

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Originally Posted by Technophile

Look this isn't about the reasons leading to Nintendo's failure. I'm talking about this case in particular. (I'm sure Nintendo has made a lot of mistakes that harmed them) When it comes down to it, what Sony did here totally comes off as a cheap, rip-off. They copied an idea but are making it available in what seems like a more limited functionality only to shoot back at Nintendo. Unless they have something substantialy new to offer with this whole "free movement" deal, they should not mess with it.

As has been proved by several other posters, the TV remote and the Dual Shocks new features are two completely different things.

Pay attention.

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Originally Posted by GELB-2

Exactly what I was thinking. There had to be some other reason aside from messing with the sensors. Come on Sony, we're not dumb.

GG in court though hahaha they got owned hardcore.

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As has been proved by several other posters, the TV remote and the Dual Shocks new features are two completely different things.

Pay attention.

That was just recently pointed out. Also, they're different as in, one(Wiimote) seems to have a lot more capabalities than the other(PS3's controler) in that it offers actual 3D movement, vibration, and a speaker right on the remote for sound effects that have to do with movement and what not.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Vulpes_Callidus

Nobody here has played the PS3 controller either. If self experience is what designates who should talk about ANYTHING, then we wouldn't be able to talk about the PS3 or the Nintendo Wii at ALL. Educative speculation is what leads us to draw comparisons and conclusions between things we haven't ourselves seen or experienced. Point in case, everybody here has a right to express their opinions about either console in an objective manner.

You talk about "educative speculation," which is exactly what I'm talking about. It's one thing to have videos of the Wii controller and the PS3 controller and praise or condemn on or the other. You have information from both sides and can make that educative speculation. It's another thing to have a video only of the PS3 and condemn it and praise the Wii when there is no video of Wii in action. I think you missed that. Of course we make many of our opinions here without personally experiencing what we're talking about. But we mostly have secondary information to back up those opinions. There isn't enough information to make an opinion about the PS3/Wii issue now. Tomorrow, however, we can make all the opinions and educative speculation we want.

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PS: The nuchuck attachment (the joystick add-on) for the Wii Remote has a gyroscopic sensor, not unlike the one in the PS3 controller.

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Originally Posted by Technophile

That was just recently pointed out. Also, they're different as in, one(Wiimote) seems to have a lot more capabalities than the other(PS3's controler) in that it offers actual 3D movement, vibration, and a speaker right on the remote for sound effects that have to do with movement and what not.

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You're still not listening.

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Originally Posted by GELB-2

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK.

You're still not listening.

Um, yeah, I tend to filter out piontless blabber.

Jam it back in, in the dark.