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Old Apr 25, 2006, 09:33 PM #1 of 23
I think I've worked out a nice machine

Sup' guys.

I'm looking to build a new computer. It's primarily going to be used to play the latest games and be used to store and watch downloaded anime and such. Obviously nothing to out of the usual. I've narrowed down my selection of parts to this. Ultimately, I would like to keep my budget at preferably no more than $1500, I can probably go about $50 over though if neccessarry.

So here's what I have selected:

Case
NZXT TRINITY BLK Black/Silver Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146015
$80

Power Supply
Rosewill RP500 500W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182009
$55

Motherboard
Asus A8N32-SLI nForce4 SLI X16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127232
$175

Processor
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103547
$360

Memory
CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145575
$190

Video Card
BFG Tech Geforce 7900GT 256MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143048
$330

Total Price: ~$1190 + Shipping

Basically Im just asking that you guys look it over, make sure I havent forgotten anything, and ensure everything I've chosen will work with each other. Also, if you know of a better deal, like a different brand of memory that has the same performance for cheaper, Id aprreciate it if you pointed it out. A couple things before you do though.

1. I'm not concerned with purchasing a hard drive or optical drives. Ive got a crapload of hard drive space I can recycle to this new system, and the same goes for the drives.

2. On all of this, I am fairly indifferent which brand of anything I buy. I dont care if it's Nvidia or ATI; Corsair, Kingston, or Crucial; Except for the proccessor, which I do want to be an AMD.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 09:36 PM #2 of 23
Pretty good for a Tier 9 computer. Why do people look to put so much money into them, anyway?

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 09:41 PM #3 of 23
The same reason people spend upwards of $100 to purchase tickets to get good seats to a baseball game, or spend huge amounts of money overhauling their cars.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:14 PM Local time: Apr 25, 2006, 10:14 PM #4 of 23
Case means nothing. Its a big footrest.

You can chip off almost 100 on a different case. Just make sure you don't get something low profile and find out your parts don't fit.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:20 PM Local time: Apr 25, 2006, 08:20 PM #5 of 23
Any reasons you feel you need two additional 120mm fans? The case you're using comes with two already.

EDIT: Get the case you want. It's not that terrible to spend $150 on a good full size case. Full size cases give plenty of room to work with, along with expansion bays and room for nice cooling solutions. And what's the point in having a top-class computer if it looks like crap, anyway?

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:23 PM #6 of 23
No particular reason, I'm just a tad worried about heat. If the 2 fans that already come with it will work alright, I could drop the additional two I put in there.

Edit:
I forgot to mention, I plan on overclocking that proccessor a bit, and I'll likewise probably end up overclocking the video card also. Nothing extreme on either, just a nice small percent increase in power.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:24 PM #7 of 23
Does the fans' return policy cover intentional harm? If so, you may want to rethink that course of action.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:32 PM #8 of 23
You mean the two that come with the case? For $160, I hope so :/

I'm assuming the fans are considered a part of the case. Looking at the Thermaltake website, they do have a section for RMA's of any damaged products. I'm not to worried about specifics. If they don't want to replace in the event it breaks due to overusage, then the fan decided to up and stop working all of a sudden. Who would have thought it?

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Turns out everything has a 3 year warranty, except...
Originally Posted by Thermaltake's website
The Program does not cover any events including but not limited to:

* Any damages unrelated to manufacturing defects.
* Any unsuitable environment or use of the product in Thermaltake's opinion.
* Any product which has been modified without official permission from Thermaltake, or on which the serial number or warranty sticker has been defaced, modified, or removed.
* Damage, deterioration or malfunction resulting from:
Accident, abuse, misuse, neglect, fire, water, lightning, or other acts of nature, commercial or industrial use, unauthorized product modification or failure to follow instructions included with the product.
Well in that case, the fan was defective *shrug*

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:33 PM #9 of 23
I don't think you understood.

Never mind, it's consumers like you that high-end computer parts makers salivate over.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 10:51 PM Local time: Apr 25, 2006, 10:51 PM #10 of 23
I believe he covered that in noting what the warranty does not cover. :\

Other than my quarrel with the case, I think it'll do fine.

I don't know much about dealtime, so if you're new to them as well, be careful and get some users' input.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 11:13 PM Local time: Apr 25, 2006, 11:13 PM #11 of 23
I don't really see the point of such an expensive case, especially when it doesn't include a power supply or quiet fans. You can buy an Antec P150 with power supply or a P180 for $40 less than the Thermaltake costs. The P180 is probably the single best case on the market right now once you get used to its weird assembly, and the P150's a good deal now that Antec's worked out the NeoHE power supply's bugs.

Of course, you could just buy a nice cheap Coolermaster case and use the savings to jump a processor grade... ^^;

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 11:37 PM Local time: Apr 26, 2006, 04:37 AM #12 of 23
Neither of those Antec cases appears to have a decent front air intake. Those little slits in the sides of the bezel won't cut it either, frankly. A cheap coolermaster (or a thermaltake armour series case (which have PLENTY of venitlation but are pricey) would be a better choice.

If looks didn't matter he could get a perfectly robust and effective case from Enlight. They're ugly but they're damn well made, cheap and get the job done.

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Old Apr 25, 2006, 11:38 PM #13 of 23
Maybe it's just because I'm looking at the images and not the case itself, but the P180 seems to be a bit cramped. Is that what your hinting at with the weird assembly? Also, I've heard bad things about power supplies that come with the cases, the generic ones. Apparently they only rate in actuality at about half of what a brand PSU of the same measure would rate at.

So I was thinking instead, Ill go ahead and grab this case and replace it's PSU with this PSU. With those two, I would still come up with a net gain of $40 to spend on other component upgrades. Any good?

Edit:
Although I'm not particularly picky about how the case looks, I would like a bit of style. I don't want a 4 square corner generic looking beige box basically. That P-150 is probably the best example off the top of my head of what I would like to avoid.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 12:15 AM #14 of 23
The P180 is the best case for air cooling and quiet operation, and it doesn't come with a power supply, so your rumours are false (especially considering Antec makes some of the best power supplies). I got a Sonata II since I wanted reasonably quiet, but didn't want to spend the extra for the P180.

The PSU is the one area where you should *always* spend the extra to get a name brand PSU. The only ones I would consider are Sparkle/Fortron, Antec, Seasonic. If they are available, a nice Seasonic would be my choice.

The extra fans are a bad idea. You might not even need them, so it's wasted money. You'd be better off getting a good heatsink/fan for the PSU before you add extra case fans. The Scythe Ninja looks to be about the ideal HSF at the moment.

I can totally understand the desire to have a nice looking case. I wanted a nice sleek proffesional looking one, and would hate a 'gaming' case that is all flashy lights and shit. To each their own, but do not skimp on the PSU.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 03:02 AM Local time: Apr 26, 2006, 01:02 AM #15 of 23
Mm, yes! Sexy setup. I agree with Relic though, I can't begin to tell you how many people have requested a p180 case. But, in my experience it's always best to get a decently high watt power supply just in case you decide to upgrade/add a part later. Therefore you will not have to worry about it until later. On a more personal note, I've steered away from nVidia as of lately. I have frequent problems with them or the cards just don't measure up to what you're expecting. I've only dealt with a 7 series once and that was when I was installing it for a client. 5xxx was a terrible series and is the main reason why I ran from nVidia.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 09:33 AM Local time: Apr 26, 2006, 09:33 AM #16 of 23
Originally Posted by KrazyTaco
So I was thinking instead, Ill go ahead and grab this case and replace it's PSU with this PSU. With those two, I would still come up with a net gain of $40 to spend on other component upgrades. Any good?

Edit:
Although I'm not particularly picky about how the case looks, I would like a bit of style. I don't want a 4 square corner generic looking beige box basically. That P-150 is probably the best example off the top of my head of what I would like to avoid.
What's up with the thing that looks like the front of a BMW on top of that case? o_o

Anyways, I've used an Aspire case before and, if you can stand (or like) the ultra-cheesy design, they aren't too bad. They're built well-enough, with no 87 and 93 degree angles and only a few sharp edges, and they have adequate ventilation. Their power supplies are pretty horrible, though. I would personally suggest something like an XClio power supply coupled with a Cooler Master Centurion 5 case.

BTW, the P150 is more of a white/silver color...looks better than the Newegg pics make it out to be IMHO. The P180 is a pain to work in because it's cramped, it basically throws out every case specification ever, and because you have to route cables through little holes in the lower divider of the case. It pretty much requires a higher-end Antec power supply, too, because you need really long cables to reach to the top of it. It's one of the best cases, if not the best case, once you get it together though.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 10:02 AM Local time: Apr 26, 2006, 03:02 PM #17 of 23
If you're using the PC for Games, I'd recommend getting one of those new Soundblaster X-Fi FPS cards, and a decent 5.1 Speaker set. My friend recently bought the card, and the sound quality over the onboard sound was amazing.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 03:09 PM #18 of 23
Sorry, Ascendancy, I once again forgot something else. I currently have a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS card in my current computer I'll be recycling to the new one, so no need to worry about that.

So stay away from Aspire power supply's, gotcha.

As for the case, it looks pretty nice. I think my biggest concern with these black/shiny silver cases is how my current optical drives will look sitting in them. I have a DVD-RW drive and a CD-RW drive, both are a grayish sort of white. You think they would match that Centurion 5 case well enough?


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Old Apr 26, 2006, 04:11 PM #19 of 23
Yeah, those wouldn't look too hot in a Centurion. If you look at the cases with doors like the P180, Sonata II, etc. then your optical disks will be hidden, so your box will always look good.

Something like the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112051 has faceplates for your optical drives, so it hides them without having a door in the way. It's also a very nice looking case (like a powermac), though very expensive.

It's also possible to just buy new faceplates for drives. That'd depend on your model a bit though. You could also just get a new optical drive.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 09:35 PM #20 of 23
See I was kinda wondering the other day if they even sold faceplates for optical drives. I don't want to go lay down $80 to get a different color drive. I suppose then, since I also don't want to spend $200 on a case, that a case with a door would be my best bet. Any suggestions for what the best case with an attached door would be?

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Old Apr 27, 2006, 04:47 PM #21 of 23
The P180 is the best, but it's disadvantage (1) is that it's difficult to get setup for someone who is inexperienced.

The Sonata II is a cheaper option, not as cool or quiet, but easier to work on + comes with a power supply.

Cooler Master's Praetorian series has some nice ones with doors. It's wavemaster also is decent with doors.

Thermaltake's Tai Chi case has a bit of a unique look to it.

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Old Apr 28, 2006, 07:46 PM #22 of 23
Has anyone used a NZXT before? I was browsing NewEgg and found this thing
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146015

Looks pretty spiffy, has a door, and looks to have a decent amount of internal space, so it seems to fit the bill for what I'm looking for. The power Supply of course will need to be swapped out, but does everything else on it look alright?

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Old Apr 29, 2006, 10:03 PM #23 of 23
I wouldn't trust the PSU, but you said you'd change it anyways.

The gauge at the front is shoddy from the reviews on Newegg. But other than that, a case is a case. It's cheap, so it's probably flimsy and will make a lot of noise, but since noise isn't one of your main concerns it should be fine.

I mean, if you have no special needs (advanced cooling and/or quiet computing) then a case is just a box into which you throw your parts. So just get whatever you think looks good (very subjective) and costs about right.

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