[Multiplatform] Bioshock. Available on Wii 12/5/2010

It's more than just the figure, Gech.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

So? The only difference then is it says "Games for Windows" ont he box instead of Xbox 360. The bonus materials are the same.

Link

Also, fuck me, I thought it was you who said "The figure better be worth 10 bucks.". It was WolfDemon. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy

As far as I know, that 24 hour rule is bullshit....

Nope, you're right. It's horseshit. It's quite possibly the strangest fake law people convince themselves of ever, seeing how it makes no logical sense whatsoever.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Skexis

Anybody know whether the limited edition soundtrack will be a full OST or if it will just be a "mini" soundtrack? I heard rumors that it wouldn't be complete, so I figured I'd wait to plunk down $60 until specifics surfaced on it.

It's "Selected Tracks", so it's not gonna be a full disc.

Dunno if there's plans to release a full one either.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Is it just me, or are splicers way too easy to kill with a shock/wrench combo?

While Skex is right, using the wrench damage boosting tonics (and you find one within the first half of the second "stage"), you can still kill leadheads in a single shock/wrench, and nitros don't even take much more than that. Maybe three, or four. (Or just telekinesis their shit, which is easier.) I haven't found enough of the other dudes to be able to report on my current strength against them.

I am enjoying the variety though. The third Big Daddy I dropped I decided to not waste ammo on, and just found an RPG turret, grabbed those flying shells and threw them into his face.

I was speaking idiomatically.

We don't really need morality bullshit in this thread, assholes.

Can someone crop this?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Are we playing golf? Is there a reason I should handicap myself?

You can already respawn at the chambers and do suicide runs with no drawbacks. This game is not a challenge.

Which is a shame, too. It effectively removes a good chunk of the tension and fright factor. Too bad. This attempt at making it more accessible only ends up hurting it, although I suppose it helps keep the pacing up.

FELIPE NO

I fucking love the fear mongering going on. A company tried to protect it's intellectual property, albeit with some extremely poorly thought out DRM, it pops a false positive on RootkitRevealer, and everyone who thinks they know what they're talking about starts screaming bloody murder. This isn't Malware, alright? Jesus.

Yes, the PC install limit sucks, but there's not a lot we can do about it. (Yet, at least. I don't think there's been a work around yet.)

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Yeah, I'm in the Farmers Market now and I've noticed how it's joke mode again. It starts a bit rougher, but by the time you get the shotgun and first wrench tonic it's back to being trivial. A shame.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I never said the DRM was well implemented. It is, however, extremely alarmist and flat out incorrect to state that it's a rootkit, and to panic over something that's not harmful in intent.

Is it annoying? Sure. Anti-consumer? Yeah, I'll give you that. Malicious? Hardly.

What I find retarded is people who are panicking over this issue, citing it as a dangerous rootkit and making it out that SecuROM is some god damn evil piece of software out to compromise your system.

I never once said I agreed with the way that the DRM was implemented, but to expect that there wouldn't be any is foolish in this day and age. Limiting the amount of times the thing can be installed is aggravating, sure. The limit now being 5 should handle most legitimate cases. That's certainly better than 2. This isn't the Sony BMG fiasco or even Starforce, so stop flipping the fuck out.

Try reading before accusing people of what they do and do not support. You look like an imbecile.

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Originally Posted by Skexis

At any rate, here's a particularly insightful post from slashdot.

Again, this man's assumptions are based on the the fact that this is a rootkit that creates a potentially harmful security breach.

Considering how the only sources of information on this are basically 2K saying "It's not a rootkit", and a piece of software that's description is "lists Registry and file system API discrepancies that may indicate the presence of a user-mode or kernel-mode rootkit" Sauce, I'm willing to give the company the benefit of the doubt right now. Especially considering RR gives false positives all the damn time.

I'll change my stance in half an instant if this turns out to be true, but it's ridiculous to be going crazy over it right now, that's all.

How ya doing, buddy?

No, I'm saying you putting words into my mouth makes you look like a moron. Your stance on being against intrusive DRM and problematic software is something I support.

I do not, however, believe that SecuROM is problematic in the way most people are accusing it of being. I am not concerned that it contains a major security breach, this is true. Unless proven otherwise, of course. If 2K is purposely covering their shit up, or something, then yeah. In which case I'll sing a different tune. I do not like the notion of limiting your rights as a consumer at all, but this discussion isn't about the support of DRM. Hell, I'm vehemently against it. It's about accusations that SecuROM is potentially a hazard.

Have you or anyone else read a copy of the EULA? Does it mention SecuROM? As an owner of the console version, I do not have the same agreement. If it does not, then yes, they are in violation of their own agreement and there's a legitimate beef there. If you click "YES I AGREE" without reading that shit, and it's in there, you damn well better believe I think people should be ok with it. That's what pressing that button means, y'know.

I do not find a piece of DRM that limits your consumer rights to be alarming anymore. Maybe if this was half a decade ago, sure. But right now it's par for the course. Perhaps it's my lack of surprise that makes it seem like I'm ok with the whole concept. I am not. I am simply finding it ridiculous that most people assume this is something far more maligned than it actually is.

Your initial response to my comment about people reacting retardedly was perhaps misconstrued as being directed at you, and not at people like Blades who automatically stated that it was a rootkit, or at the general posting populace on this topic at the 2K forums and at the other sites on this here internet.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by that thread

YOUR USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS SUBJECT TO THIS LIMITED SOFTWARE WARRANTY AND LICENSE AGREEMENT (THE “AGREEMENT”) AND THE TERMS SET FORTH BELOW. THE “SOFTWARE” INCLUDES ALL SOFTWARE INCLUDED WITH THIS AGREEMENT, THE ACCOMPANYING MANUAL (S), PACKAGING AND OTHER WRITTEN, SOFTWARE, FILES, ELECTRONIC OR ON-LINE MATERIALS OR DOCUMENTATION, AND ANY AND ALL COPIES OF SUCH SOFTWARE AND ITS MATERIALS. BY OPENING THE SOFTWARE, INSTALLING,AND/OR USING THE SOFTWARE AND ANY OTHER MATERIALS INCLUDED WITH THE SOFTWARE, YOU HEREBY ACCEPT THE
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If that's the EULA, which for the moment I will assume it is, is from that linked thread.

While it doesn't say anything specific about the amount of times one can install it, or even mention Securom by name, it does make several passing mentions to more than just the game being installed.

"THE “SOFTWARE” INCLUDES ALL SOFTWARE INCLUDED WITH THIS AGREEMENT", and such lines, for example. Although incredibly vague, this could easily be meant to cover a wide variety of general bullshit such as the DRM in place here. It may not mention it by name, but upon closer inspection, it sure seems to imply it. And things like part (d) do imply that you will be somewhat limited to the amount of times one uses the thing, although it doesn't outright say how many times.

Perhaps the best thing we can mutually hope for in the future is clearer EULAs that are more explicit about the type of DRM and associated software installs they employ. That seems highly unlikely, though.

Maybe I'm seeing things here that other people aren't though. This EULA seems to cover the all the bases, albeit in a fairly roundabout way.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, the issue as I've seen it is that a lot of people are saying that securom is being installed against the terms of the EULA, and that seems to be a moot complaint simply from the way the EULA is worded. It would be possible for 2k to form an argument from how it's written.

I haven't touched the actual issue of the limited number of installs since that debacle is somewhat separate of my initial issue with the complaints people have rendered against the install of securom itself. It seems that the blanket statements inside the EULA might actually cover these installations, is all I'm saying. So the "they did it without me consenting" argument might not fly simply due to the ambiguous nature of the wording of the thing.

As for them telling the user what they can and can not do with the software without them letting them know, I fully agree with your point. I am simply commenting on the general "I didn't agree to installing securom, it's not in the EULA" that seems to be floating around.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So the root of the whole problem is "They weren't specific enough." It would have saved this thread a lot of headache if you said that first.

From now on, let's have every publisher explain exactly how they plan on protecting their software to the smallest detail. Then everyone'll be happy, right?

How ya doing, buddy?

This just in. Monster closets were invented in and are directly ripped off of Doom 3. Yup yup.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

It's not even that old, for one, and for two, at least it's a high quality title.

Let's just hope the port job results in a solid product. The last thing anyone wants is another Orange Box.

I'm confident it'll end up well done though, and people who missed out before will at least get a chance to try it. This ain't anything but good news, really.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well, it's hardly a negative addition to the system's library, regardless of subjective opinions on it. Late or not. Another Enchanted Arms would be closer to the porting of something like Bulletwitch.

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