Why not legalize prostitution?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

And look. No matter how hard people try to repress the sex industry, it will always, always, always exist. Best to treat it like every other goddamn commodity than to pretend it doesn't exist and try to repress it away.

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Originally Posted by lightsandmusic

because the workers get so many diseases and problems from prostitution. its a very risky buisness and isnt healthy.

So you could say it is... the deadliest catch?

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Originally Posted by EpicNotion

Sex out of marriage isn't frowned upon as much as it used to be. However I still think alot of people would have problems with legalizing prosititution. Alot of unwelcome additions come with prostitution, one of the big ones being drugs. If it was legalized would that change? Maybe. Right now though it would just devalue whatever region it happened in.

Recently a "Spa" near where I live was shut down because it was a front for a brothel. When I read about it, I just shrugged and went huh, thats interesting. The other people in my community treated it much much worse though. The way they described it, you'd think that in the middle of the spa a gateway to hell had been opened. I'll never have a problem with it, but a good majority will.

It is obvious from recent developments that we cannot go any further without making one thing extremely clear: that the concept of equality, whether of sexes or races or individuals, or even of animals, plants, or inanimate objects, is absurd. It would in fact be impossible to even find two equal electrons or quarks, if electrons or quarks actually existed (which they don't), let alone anything more complex. The only domain in which the concept of equality is not absurd is in pure logic (including mathematics), but in the real world there is simply no such thing. There has never been, and there never will be.

Now of course this simple, self-evident truth is obviously beyond the comprehension of 99.99999999999999999% of contemporary mankind, as is every other simple, self-evident truth. That, however, is not my problem -- it is theirs. And since many of the things discussed on this site already, and that will be discussed in the very near future, presuppose human beings intelligent enough to grasp these simple truths, I am obliged to simply immediately ban whoever seems to be incapable of grasping them. Because the funny thing is that, though these truths are simple and self-evident, they seem to be immeasurably harder (if not outright impossible) for people to comprehend than many truths that are far more complex and obscure. But these are the effects of prejudice, bigotry, superstition and stupidity inherited by 2,500 years of the Socratico-Judaeo-Christian metaphysic, and its attendant herd/slave morality, and it is simply beyond my powers to cure people of this disease (that, only these books can do, and then only for a very small number of people). All I want to do is analyze games as deeply as possible, and to do that I have to take for granted all the simple little truths that philosophy has to give us -- one of which being that nothing is equal to anything else.

To give a concrete example of where this simple truth has been recently used, and to great effect, consider my Cocksucking Videogameland article. In the last two paragraphs I explain why women are in general inferior to men as regards the analysis and evaluation of virtual worlds. The reason is psychological and proceeds from a biological difference -- a biological inequality in other words. Therefore whoever believes that men and women are equal, or should be equal, or should be treated and regarded as equal even when they clearly are not (i.e. always), would simply be incapable of coming up with this idea, or grasping it once it had been explained to him -- let alone accepting it and drawing all the various and very important consequences that follow from it.

But we must draw these consequences! This is philosophy -- drawing the ultimate consequences out of every deduction -- not stopping and turning our backs on them because we prefer to live within the safe and narrow horizons of a happy-pretend land in which everything is equal to everything else and every person loves every other person and we all go to Heaven when we die, amen.

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

How much truth can a spirit bear, how much truth can a spirit dare? ... that became for me more and more the real measure of value.

Originally Posted by Nietzsche

The first thing in which I "test the reins" of a person is whether he has in him a feeling for distance, whether he sees everywhere rank, order between man and man, whether he distinguishes: one is thereby a gentleman.

So, to all current and prospective users of this forum who espouse the religion of Equality -- at the very least stay away from "theory" threads. You can still be a religious nut and post in individual news or games threads -- it doesn't take much intelligence for those. But please leave my serious threads alone. If you want to find other religious nuts to discuss your beliefs, why, the internet is full of them -- click on a random page and you are there.

PS. The above also applies for all the other modern religions: the religion of Freedom, Justice, Human Rights, Cockroach Rights, Chicken Rights, etc. I am afraid that philosophy and religions are diametrically opposed, so if you have even the slightest religious inclination in you -- just stay the hell away from my goddamn theory threads. In other words: The theory threads are only for 100% declared atheists and immoralists -- everyone else is anyway already perfectly served by all kinds of bibles.

And since everyone already knows what "atheist" means, here is a helpful link that explains what an "immoralist" is:

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Schopenhauer: "It is not only in the activity of his highest powers that the genius surpasses ordinary people. A man who is unusually well-knit, supple and agile, will perform all his movements with exceptional ease, even with comfort, because he takes a direct pleasure in an activity for which he is particularly well-equipped, and therefore often exercises it without any object. Further, if he is an acrobat or a dancer, not only does he take leaps which other people cannot execute, but he also betrays rare elasticity and agility in those easier steps which others can also perform, and even in ordinary walking. In the same way a man of superior mind will not only produce thoughts and works which could never have come from another; it will not be here alone that he will show his greatness; but as knowledge and thought form a mode of activity natural and easy to him, he will also delight himself in them at all times, and so apprehend small matters which are within the range of other minds, more easily, quickly and correctly than they."


Therefore my writings, if I am indeed a genius, will always be "works of genius" regardless of the subject matter. A genius, by Schopenhauer's definition as well as by anyone else's, is not capable of NOT producing works of genius, just as a cow is not capable of not producing works of cows, and so on. A genius is a genius and a cow is a cow from birth to death -- and that's the end of that.

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Originally Posted by killerpineapple

But even if the bible-thumpers suddenly all disappeared, I doubt very much that prostitution would suddenly become legal here or in other parts of the world. There is a fundamental moral abhorrence carried by a gigantic chunk of the world's population regardless of their religious or political leanings.

Is that a fact, now?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

I understand that becoming a prostitute is a way to gain power for a lot of women down in their luck, but isn't it a bit ironic that it involves using a patriarchal system that has put them in that position in the first place? That is, males have exploited women for a long time. How can women get out of that position? Why, exacerbate the problem! Make yourself an object! Work within the power structure that men have cemented for you.

Wow. This is an extremely ignorant thing to say! I wonder if you think America (or at least the liberal parts) isn't racist anymore.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

I think most of America is very racist. Not even a Harvard Professor in a beautiful historic Cambridge home is safe from American Racism.

Then I wonder why black people use racist systems that marginalize them in the first place. Isn't it better for them to not work within the power structure that whites have made for them? They are only exacerbating the problem with racism.

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Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

Now, the way to solve these problems is not to KILL the blacks in jail or allow the women to become prostitutes,

Do you know why she thinks you're a misogynist?

It's because you're talking about allowing grown-ass women to perform a profession.

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Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

Well, what some of the African Americans I know do is work within the system to highlight its racist aspects and to speak against it because it is what allows them to reach the most people. Black academics or socially-conscious rappers are great examples.

It is quite a nuanced position, though, and you are on to something by pointing out that it feeds off of the problem it is trying to solve.

Am I also onto something by saying a nigga gotta eat?

Cuz that was what I was aiming for

as an aside, do you think prostitution is the only (or even the most dangerous) way the patriarchy marginalizes women

I would say that white color professions over-represented by men is far worse tbh but I'll be damned if I can think of a way to change that by not participating

you idiot

I do not allow you to continue this charade of intelligence. Rip off your mask and post as you truly are, trainable.

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Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

It is not I who is doing the allowing, but the US Government, which, by the way, allows GROWN ASS PEOPLE to do or not things/professions all the time.

how does it not allow grown-ass adults to do things

I mean I googled crime statistics right now but they look pretty high so.........................

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Why do you think it is the requirement of a person in a marginalized demographic to heroically rise up and throw off the shackles of their oppression when all they want is to pay their bills and raise their family like a normal fucking person?

why is it a requirement of women of little means to be martyrs to a battle you imposed on them?

And also why on earth are you comparing yourself to the US Government?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

In the end, it does not matter, it is not up to me to decide, is it?

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Now, the way to solve these problems is not to KILL the blacks in jail or allow the women to become prostitutes,

who's deciding what now

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Tamburlaine

Yeah, and what difference does that statement make? Government has the real choice, I am just telling you what I think is best. Again, that does not mean I am comparing myself to the US Government, your original complaint.

You understand that the US Government doesn't disallow anyone to do anything. They allocate punishment to dissuade people from doing certain things. This is a fundamental difference compared to what you think is best, which is a deeply paternalistic and frankly unrealistic opinion.

Also I like how

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Because I think the world is an extremely fucked up place and it would be better if we confronted some of these problems head-on instead of lived as if it's none of our business.

I like how a white man in America is telling marginalized groups that they must use their career choices in a crusade you've defined for them, and they have to rage against the Man without taking advantage of the Man or doing anything else you feel is socially inappropriate.

For laughs, what's your job?

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Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel

I have to wonder just how sustainable that rate would be if prostitution were legal. I don't think it's economically possible for everyone to make this kind of money. I suppose this could tap into the multi-billion dollar porn industry, but how much of that is married guys who wouldn't be able to get away with visiting a brothel.

It'll be just like any other business most likely, where you bill out to the client at $150 an hour, but your take is $35 an hour plus healthcare, 401k, 2 weeks vacation, sick time, etc. You'd probably get a cut of the profit for any new business you bring in. The big money would be in running a chain of brothels.

As for whether sex should be different than any other commodity in a secular society, that's an interesting thing to ponder, but it clearly is. Consider how much more serious (and frightening) we consider a sexual assault compared to a physical assault.

Well of course, with anything illicit, there's a fee you pay due to the illegal nature of the product. No doubt prostitutes will take a hit by both the legality of their new job and the increased competition, as well as the overhead for providing a product in a safe environment (std screenings, etc), and of course the wages will all be reported to the IRS for taxation.

On the other hand, with legality comes a larger (and more frequent) customer base. Though certain women will be making less money than they would in a black market, they would be working more frequently. Not to mention the extraordinary cuts that a pimp would take out of a prostitute's profits would probably mitigate the cuts that a government-licensed brothel would take. Overall a woman may find herself making more.

Don't forget that not every prostitute makes $150 an hour. Depending on your clientele and your services, you could be making vastly more or less. High priced callgirls are paid significantly more not because they're beautiful or they'll do a hot lunch, but because they'll be discreet. I wouldn't expect this to change.

Reno would be a very good case study on the differences in take-home a licensed prostitute would make over illegal ones in other areas.

edit: Don't forget that for many people, security while performing your job is worth more than its weight in gold. Prostitutes working Reno may prefer the security of not getting killed by truck drivers over making 20% less than their counterparts elsewhere.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Worm

Tamburlaine is an idiot and I don't want to defend him, but I think you're shooting yourself in the foot with this sentence. How can the sex act be a "violation" unless there's something special about genital contact? Otherwise, it's no more a violation than drugging someone and, say, putting your finger in his/her mouth. The fact that a given individual might personally feel one to be more icky than the other would no legal weight if the majority of America didn't share Tamburlaine's sentiments. Otherwise, the law would focus on the element of coercion/sedation instead of the sex.

There are physiological differences between fingers and penises, and between mouths and vaginas. You'd have to put your finger in her mouth in such a way that causes physical damage, that can cause disease, and can risk pregnancy.

The intent of rape is to terrify and violate a person. If the perpetrator knew his victim before the assault, why would it be inappropriate to treat this as any other form of domestic violence with increased sentencing and with measures taken to protect the victim from the perpetrator after he serves his time (restraining orders, etc)?

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See also: sexual abuse of children. I know it's a separate issue (and probably irrelevant to the behavior of adults), but the prevalent belief is that there's something special about sexual experiences that will addle a child's brain.

There are a lot of things that aren't anything special that are reserved for adults only. Why do you think we don't allow children to dictate their own educations? Nor do we hold kids responsible for the morality they had when they were younger. When I was 8 I thought the solution to AIDS was just not let anyone who has it have sex or give birth.

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It must kill you, Tamb, that for all your bluff and bluster there are thousands of women who take money for sex and don't give a toss whether you think they're ill-educated, underskilled, or simply woefully simple.

it feels good to feel superior to a group of people you don't know. Why don't you compare sex with rape some more?

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