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Chrono Resurrection Petition
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Old Aug 17, 2006, 03:44 AM #1 of 43
Originally Posted by Kairi Li
Square Enix is not gonna listen, considering they don't have much respect for fans, cause if they do, they would have made Chrono Break right now

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The fact that they mailed them a cease and desist letter is not cause they care about fans paying tribute that can cause copyright infringement, they just want total control of franchises they don't deserve to keep copyright of,

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no other game company has ever shown such disregard to it's own franchises and fans.
You do not understand copyright. If they created it, they deserve the copyright, end of story. I do like, though, how you want a low-budget remake done by total ametures to be official canon while in the same breath complain about milking franchises for money. I mean, wow.

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Old Aug 17, 2006, 11:07 PM #2 of 43
Originally Posted by Kairi Li
Or course I understand copyright, that doens't mean that Square really truly deserves those franchises when they are just sitting there collecting dust, its inevitable that they get to keep their creations, however the fact that they just let them sit there instead of doing something with it shows they just wanna focus on FF, and I mean, do you truly believe a company that is holding so much creations and franchises that people loved deserves to keep them, when they are'nt gonna do anything with it?
Oh my god, do you know what a period even is?

No, you do not understand copyright. if Square didn't send these guys a cease-and-desist letter - if they did not protect their copyright - then they would have lost their copyright, and any fuckwit with two dollars to rub together could make a Chrono game. I guess that's what you want though, since you go on to say

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Chrono has barely even been milked, and they even have the nerve to deny fans the right to pay tribute to it.
I mean, there are no words, none at all.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li
Please, it wasn't even gonna be a full game, Square probably saw some screens, flipped and immeditly send that letter without getting facts straight.

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Or course I understand copyright,

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A company that gives no respect to its fans and franchises doens't deserve those copyrights,

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Chrono has barely even been milked,

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I mean, do you truly believe a company that is holding so much creations and franchises that people loved deserves to keep them, when they are'nt gonna do anything with it?
You actually want a subpar game made by newbies which looks ass ugly? You are morally awful. Why not just write fanfiction for it, the imagination is more high-res than any console.

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Well Capcom has its obscure titles and they earned alot of profit from it, like the ones from CLover Studios. Square can do the same but instead chose to just focus on FF. Out of all the big names, SE is the only company to take the easy way out.
oh, lol.

What is your point, other than wanting more Chrono? Do you want them to rape CT's corpse or what, here?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Old Aug 18, 2006, 01:44 PM #3 of 43
Originally Posted by Slayer X
What are you talking about? The art style is quite good as well as the lighting effects and everything else. It's not supposed to look realistic, it's supposed to look somewhat like DQ8 which is what CT was meant to look like from the beginning.
Never said anything about it being realistic, but for a company that is basically known as being one of the best modellers in the world, it's simply not even close. Sorry.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Aug 19, 2006, 12:39 AM #4 of 43
Originally Posted by Kairi Li
you believe that being amatuers gives no excuse to "lousy graphics". I mean god, did you expect a fan game to suddenly look like FF13?!
If they're going to do Square's work for them, well then, yes.

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I understand copyright, my objections were simply moral,
You keep saying you understand copyright but you keep demonstrating a lack of basic knowlege. I mean case in point, you are morally offended by Square protecting their copyright. Most people, in contrast, are morally offended by rape or murder. What point is having an opinion if you can't even find the right words to defend it?

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Why not have cease and desist orders to every fan game and fan art there is out there? They own the designs of the characters, so people shouldn't make art out of it should they? Send a letter to newgrounds perhaps?
They are 100% entitled to do that. Disney cracks down hardcore on people who make fanart of their work, although I'm absolutely certain you have a nice fat directory of the stuff. What's your point, here?

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I rather see a bunch of guys paying tribute (NOTE TRIBUTE, not ROB)
Just one more quicky: is child Janus x Ozzy porn more tribute, or robbery? Yes, this is absolutely on point.

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Old Aug 19, 2006, 01:15 AM 1 #5 of 43
I'm still having a difficult time understanding your point, Kairi. Maybe you can elaborate a little for me.

You're making it clear that you think the milking of FF7 is morally wrong, but you want the same thing to happen to Chrono Trigger, I guess, because otherwise you wouldn't be so morally against their lack of work on the series. Why?

You talk about wanting variety but you act like the only thing SE works on is Final Fantasy, and that's obviously not true. No, being able to fight an increasingly-avian Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts doesn't count as it being a final fantasy game. I mean, ignoring the whole part about SE being only one game developer here, there are plenty of fish in their sea. You keep ignoring them because they are detrimental to your point, that's all.

You seem to think that the people who are credited in Chrono Trigger are the only ones who are morally deserving of the copyright to the series, while you also seem to think they would be perfectly happy to see their characters rendered in such ugly 3d glory. What's up with that? Furthermore, you seem to think that just because it was a fan project, it was okay, nevermind the quality of the piece. Have you ever thought about how high-profile a project has to get before a foreign company takes notice? I don't think you really thought about that.

You talk about Square being disrespectful to its fans for not giving them what they want (more Chrono Trigger), but then you talk about Square being money-grubbing by milking a series (in this case, Final Fantasy 7, which I guess you weren't around for when people were begging for more). Do you honestly not see the disconnect here?

I mean really, none of this makes sense, lady.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Aug 19, 2006, 03:26 AM #6 of 43
Originally Posted by Kairi Li
Why am I against FF7's milking? Cause its way over the limit!
Why do you want them do the same with Chrono Trigger, then?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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Old Aug 19, 2006, 04:09 AM #7 of 43
Originally Posted by Kairi Li
And are you saying that this fan game was a high profile game? This game simply got spread around fans cause they found it impressive for a fan game, it's not exactly a high profile game,

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it got reported in various games magazines
What do you think high profile means?

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You know, you posted like four pages of solid text on how you don't understand the first thing about business, but you never did get back to me regarding Ozzy's engorged member entering Janus' tight little butthole. Is that tribute or robbery? It is absolutely on topic.

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Old Aug 19, 2006, 04:50 AM #8 of 43
Originally Posted by Kairi Li
There's doujinshi
Stop now. You're going into a very important territory and you have no idea you're doing it. Doujinshi is created in Japan, under Japanese copyright law. This fan game was created in the United States, under American copyright law. These are not equal. I recommend that you do a little bit of studying on copyright law for both the United States and Japan before you continue.


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And its not like doujinshi has done any actual harm to the game's reputation, you might as well ban all game and anime hentai while you're at it, and we all know that will never happen.
It still remains; is Magus' terrible childhood anal rape a fan tribute, or outright robbery?

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The game may have gotten alot of exposure,
So it's high-profile then?

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I understand business,
Who do you think you're convincing?

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