Evanescence - The Open Door

Just saw the video... Evanescence just kicks ass. That's all there is to it. So the song is a bit whiney (blah, blah, me... blah,blah, me.... ETC), what do you expect from a radio tune. The reason Evanescence rocks is because they have a unique sound and she's got great pipes, more specifically great vocal control. Will be picking this CD up ASAP.

For others who question Amy Lee's vocal talent, I have seen them live BEFORE "My Immortal" hit radio, and even before "Bring Me To Life" was big. Amy had one of the most commanding, emotion-ful, and impressive vocal performances in rock bands I've seen. She poured soooo much guts into that show... She is a great singer but has gotten ALOT of rap for some bad TV performances (which most bands suck at BTW because of horrid TV live monitoring). She doesn't have a huge range, but it is enough. Did you ever listen to the song "Hello"? There is enough of a range there to show she's got a decent range. And like I said earlier, control is her key... control and texture. And texture is something that is fairly unique.

Well, needless to say, Evanescence isn't for everyone. So if you don't like them, or just can't stand liking something "popular", then get the hell out.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Lehah,
I know you've got your strong opinion that is worth alot because you are knowledgeable in the musical arena. But seriously, get off your soap box.

For every compotent musician/critic that hates Evanescence, there are at least 1 if not 2 or 3 that disagree. Now, I will agree with you that the general american populace knows jack shit about good music (Paris Hilton getting an album verifies this), but that doesn't negate the fact that Evanescence is one of the more widely accepted, appreciated, and CD purchased bands in recent history. They did win Grammy's for their work, and this proves that there is at least some musical merit to their work thus far no matter how screwed up the Grammys might be.

As to talent and challenge... Evanescence's talent has been in question due to Amy Lee's vocals. Some people think she sings flat and whiny. Others think that it is strong and smooth. I tend to favor the latter as I find very few pitch issues in their recorded music. Many of the complaints I believe, center around how she scoops up to many of her notes instead of hitting them directly. I account these as part of the style but others see it as poor singing. To each their own.

As to challenge, this to me means "technical" challenge. Frankly, technical challenge is the last thing that I have on my personal list of measures. You can have the easiest song ever, but that means nothing on whether the music is great or not. I could reference everything from the Beatles to Mozart to back that point up. I my mind, technical merit is only so much of a great thing, because the greatest music is so because it cannot be contained in the sum of its parts, it cannot be measured or built by sheer calculation or logic. Music is at its finiest when it moves inside someone, and that is something that Evanescence has achieved on a grand scale whether you like them or not.

I'm sure this won't convince you to like Evanescence, and this post is really not meant to. What it is meant to do is to hopefully have you become a bit more accepting of other's opinions and the fact that because others opinions differ doesn't make them intellectually inferior to yourself.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by LeHah

Didn't know you errected a fucking monarchy where we're not allowed to speak our minds, oh ye king of faggotdom. How about you shut you fucking gob instead of pissing down my leg?

The statement said "get off your soap box" which means quit beating a dead horse, or re-stating multiple times your opinion which has already been stated multiple times in this thread. You are more than welcome to keep your opinion.

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Please quantify "accepted" or "appreciated" without using "CD purchases".

If you are claiming that the three are never equatable, you are the one that doesn't have shit for brains. Many very talented artists and bands have sold extremely well ever since albums have existed and you know it.

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So wait a second...
You said that the Grammy's are screwed up ... except when you agree with them? What the hell kind of standard is that to hold?

I didn't say the Grammy's were screwed up. I said that no matter how screwed up anyone could think they are, winning a Grammy does show artistic musical merit regardless of any cynics opinion. There was a conditional word "maybe" at the end of the statement.

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While I can only speak for myself in this - I say they suck for many other reasons. It's just so happens that Amy Lee's vocals is one of the reasons they're awful.

My point wasn't that Amy Lee's vocal is bad, I said it is questionable, or up for debate in other words. There are so many differing opinions on Amy Lee's vocal talent, even among those that are musical aficionados. My point now is that you still can't accept that other critical musicians whose pitch retention is as good or better than yours could possibly like Amy Lee's voice, when this is simply not the case.

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Yet you chide Paris Hilton; which makes me wonder if you have no understanding of standard, what "recorded" music delineates or how to form a simple opinion. If Paris Hilton can make an album that sells, what does that tell you about Amy Lee?

Absolutely nothing. Eric Clapton sold millions of albums. So does John Mayer, so did the Beatles, so do thousands of other talented musicians and bands. I chide Paris Hilton because she is not an artist, she is a rich and slutty bitch.

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I've never paid to hear either person sing but sure as shit, I'd ask for my money back.

Thanks for stating your opinion once again. BECAUSE I DIDNT HEAR IT THE FIRST HUNDRED TIMES!

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You change your stance more often than square dancers on fast-forward.

Again, I never said I thought her vocal was bad, I stated that it is debatable because of varied opinions.

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You're attempting to compare three completely different things. Thats like trying to say the ape who used a stone tool is as important as the first women behind the wheel of a car or the creation of the 8-Track.

One is obviously far more important than the rest - but not only that - they have nothing to do with each other at all.

I won't belabor this point because you won't see it even if it hit you square between the eyes and rested on your bloody nose. Technicality does not make greatness, and you know it.

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I don't respect any opinion that is stated as poorly as yours.

LOL. Stooping to referencing a simple typo is low even for you. Stop grasping for straws.

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I like how you reference Schoenberg like I wouldn't know who he is. You are unbelieveably arrogant sometimes. I've studied his scores and heard his pieces played live by a string quartet. Yes, they are created using math and logic, and yes, they are great "musical" works. But everyone knows that these pieces are more study material and great experiments then they are made for ear consumption. Anyone can tell that the music sounds random or mechanical.

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So you're yet another person who finds himself so important as to not even bother to dissuade my opinion - but continues to type just to see himself speak?

I'd love to change your opinion. But because you are one stubborn ass, I am confident that no amount of logic or fact would dissuade your opinion. I've stated that the point wasn't to change your opinion. You are entitled to it. I was hoping you might start to give others that have dissenting opinions the respect they deserve by stop throwing your opinion consistently in their faces and catagorically claiming their inferiority.

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You're certainly an exception to that statement. You certainly are inferior to me.

Haha. You are quite the self-righteous egotistical prick. You don't even know me, and you assume you do based on a single post. At times like these, it's easy to see why you can't handle differing opinions. You can't stand being challenged. Fine, you can keep being the self-proclaimed authority, but no one's giving you that respect.

How ya doing, buddy?

Just LOL.

Lehah, you have the most closed mind I have ever seen. You can't take constructive criticism, hell, you can't even read statements in paragraphs. You have to tear each sentence, or more true even, each set of subject + verb couplings apart to misconstrue every statement. Why can't you listen and reason with someone, instead of claiming their ignorance, shoddily tearing apart their posts, and trying (failing) to beat them over the head with their own statements?

I, like you, am not going to keep railing on you or the points that I've been trying to make to you. But unlike you, I'm not gonna call you a "wortheless sack of shit" and tell you to "chop off your prick". I respect your opinion. Just don't be so self-righteous and stubborn about shoving it in people's faces repeatedly. You come in this thread consistently, just to bash on them like you are trying to pick a fight. Just tell us once what you think of them and why, and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Lehah

Get over yourself.

Take your own advice.

How ya doing, buddy?