Nintendo Press Conference (discussion and live stream)

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

And yeah, I do enjoy how the PS3 controller is just plain ol' Dual Shock 2 but wireless and for tilt control they axed rumble

For real? Did dropped rumble in favor of tilt control? What a morons then...

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

while the Wii controller has 3d space motion sensing, titling, rumble, and sound all while being wireless.

And a battery life of 2 hours
No dude, I don't belive a controller or any device for that matter can do all that and have a long battery life. They are hiding something, what they are saying is just plain impossible... unless they start selling a Official Nintendo ColdFusion™ Battery

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Has anyone said how will te built in speaker work? Will it have a built in ROM with a set of predefined sound effects that the game will call or will the game stream an entire sound file into the pad?

I bet on the first because... you guessed! Battery life :P

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by neothe0ne

Looks like a SNES/PS2 hybrid I HATE the position of the D-pad in relation to the analog sticks in that controller...

O M G !


WTF is that shit? Is that what I think it is? F**king hell, take it away! TAKE IT AWAY!

OMFG it looks like Dual Shock gone bad! Way bad, DShock is already bad enough even using winged design but that.... OMG!

Originally Posted by neothe0ne

I HATE the position of the D-pad in relation to the analog sticks in that controller...

Quoting you again, yes that was the reason I've been bashing the Dualshock all these years and now Nintendo picks a bad design and makes it worse by taking away the only good thing the DS had, it's winged design...

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by sprouticus

I'm pretty sure they said something about the game streaming audio directly to it.

Yeah? Then reduce these 2 hours battery life to 1.5 hours


BTW I hope they come to sense and do a black/gray version of the console since my experience tells me that pristine white devices that are so 'manipulated' like a gamepad gain countless stain in a blink.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by sprouticus

I dunno, I really like that controller. It looks like it's going to be as comfortable as the SNES controller was, and that one was fucking prime.

If it's anything like a Megadrive pad (and I know it is ) the yes, it's damn confortable................

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Qwarky

I'm sure Acer came up with the colors all by himself, and it's not like Nintendo ever provides their consoles in different colors.

You never know... they've just picked the 2nd lamest gamepad ever (saturns 1st model pad was the crappiest) and made it worse, so don't be so sure.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by chato

He doesn't look too polygonal ... I wanna see what Sonic the Hedgehog looks like !

Me too! Dang I love that game!

Originally Posted by sprouticus

I predicted $249 but was hoping for $200.

Still, $249 is still $150 less than the cheapest competition. You can't argue with that price!

WTF are you talking about?! XBox 360 costs 299€, 299€! The core pack costs that and it's the pack you should buy, since the Pro pack is filled with useless crap (harddrive is crap until more XBox games are supported). Also both are missing the only important cable, the VGA cable that you should use even if you connect to a HDTV instead of a monitor, provided that the TV supports it. And the pro pack dispite having a wireless pad it doen't include the play'n'charge kit, i.e. a rip off.

With a 249€ price tag that's pretty much suicide.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Argh this pad is really the worst ever. If everyone uses the winged design for their pads there most be a good reason no?
It's been proved that this design creates less stress on the hands and wrists and it's more confortable on the long game session (YET it can still cause musculoskeletal disorders like carpic tunnel so watch out!).

But who cares about facts, let us hype! Hype I say!
And the worst thing is that everyone seems to appluad for no good reason :aargh: Are you all nuts? Or have you just lost common sense?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by sprouticus

Can you say, best launch ever?

There won't be any best lauch ever unless Shenmue 3 lands, have said!

EDIT 2: WTF? Take a good look at the above pic... Nintendo is using those stupid triangular screws again!! ARGH! The console is MINE, the pad is MINE! I open it as many times I want and do what da f*ck I want with it, damn it! Maybe they are hidding lame pad internals like Gamecube's? At least the wire 'lock' seems to be using the same cheap trick GC did

EDIT 3: BTW their efforts to keep me away are pathetic, I've shaped a regular screw driver into a 'nintendo screw driver' with my bare hand (and some tools ) so more luck next time!

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by David Deluxe

Well, actually they don't really care about converting the price from $ to € in Europe. $399/$499 for the Xbox 360 just became 399€/499€ over here and this should apply to nearly every console which was released during the last years.

Exactly!! It's the biggest rip off ever... well amost but still. INFACT when they say a price in US dolars most of the times the price over here it's higher!!!

For example:
Tomb Raider Legend for XBox 360

USA: $59
Europe: 69€

... WTF is all I can say

How ya doing, buddy?

I just had this underfull idea and I'm asking you guys if you know anything about it and what do you think too.

The Wii has Gamecube ports isn't it? That means you use the Gamecube controllers with it? That would kill half the pain of the Wii (sorry all but the classic Wii pad just found it's way to the 1st place of my most hated pads ever)

Also the Wii has USB ports too... does that mean I can use USB pads with it like... say... a XBox 360 USB pad or a Sidewinder? That would be utterly sweet (but unlikely)!!

Anyway, since the Wii can (probably) use GC pads wouldn't it be awsome if the game devs had an option to use the standard controler or the Wiimote? Like we have today button configuration (free button assignment), screen configuration (4:3/16:9) and sound configuration (mono/stereo/surround) wouldn't it be great if the had controler type configuration (classical/remote)?

That would definitely put me in the Wii bandwagon not only because Sonic Wildfire looks better than the 360 Sonic but also because it would show that Nintendo respects our choices regardless of their stand, a truly democratic console I say!!
And if you think about it...why not? Afterall isn't choice a good thing? The freedom to use whatever pad best fits you and your kind of game. At least that's what OpenSource™ dudes are always saying.


So what do you have to say to the guy (and gals if any)?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

devilmaycry, you won't be seeing a lot of Wii titles supporting the cube controllers. A lot of the functions that the Wii controller and analog attachment provide won't be able to be recreated on a cube controller.

That sucks ass then, if they don't have the burden of developing the game in HD can't they take that extra time to do an alternate control scheme? 'Cause you know Wii games will cost as much as a 360/PS3 game (belive else and you are naive at best).

Originally Posted by Dayvon

Perrin Kaplan: "We have not made a final decision yet, I think that they will probably be sold seperately, in that, the nunchuka and the wiimote will be part of the pack-in."

Having in mind just how much a very simple RGB cable costed me and how much it used to cost at lauch, I can only wonder the cost of these add ons... IMHO 30£ for sure, the RGB cable costed 25£ during the first times.

Oh... I've just noticed the seller at Amazon.co.uk that selled RGB cables t 9.99£ has disapeared. Damn he must've went out of stock in blink! Thank god/alah/budha I got mine in time, now if only I could get that RE4 at 9.99£....:fishing:

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

The development using the Wii controller has been said to be fairly easy and since it's based off GameCube development kits it is very easy and cheap to develop on the Wii. The devkits cost less than even the PSP devkits.

In that sense PC game should all cost 10€ since DirectX SDK is free ... maybe MS charges for somekind of Visual Studio for games but DX is free (AFAIK ofcourse).

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Iwata has already stated that all Wii videogames from Nintendo will be at max $50.

Playing Nintendo 1st party games? :-S Just thinking of it makes me sick, the only 1st party game I have for Gamecube it's Eternal Darkness and it's not even true 1st party... Zelda Twilight Princess might be worth playing but I've played so many Zeldas that I dunno... maybe when the game gets to the 15€ mark.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

He said that for short, simple, budget games they may sell at $20 or $30 and/or be sold online via the virtual console for a low price.

In that huge 512Mb flash drive? BTW what will be the real available space after format? 500Mb probably... anyway I'm not looking forward to play games I can get for free on SourceForge.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Third parties such as EA may up the price to $60 or $70 dollars like they have for 360 games because they're assholes but that remains to be seen.

They may be assholes but they're rich and their games still sell, while we (or at least I) are still poor. :lolsign:

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

As Perrin Kaplan said, they are still figuring out what to pack together when selling controllers. Right now it looks like the zapper and Virtual Console controller will be sold separately and the wiimote and nunchuck attachment will be sold together. Personally, I'd love to have them all bundled together if it didn't cost too much.

Do I need to mention again the price of the RGB cable? This one just cracks me up cause these cables cost 1€ to assemble. No they ain't selling these neat add-on for 50 euro cents.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Whatever they come up with I'm sure will be good.

Good would be an alternative control scheme using a regular pad in every game, that would great not just good.

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

Oh okay, you are obviously someone in the know. A Mr. Nintendo, even.

Nah... I just do some pink magic in my free times so I can see the future sometimes, other times I just see the past :-S Will try yellow magic one of this days since people say it's hardcore stuff

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Well let's put it this way. FOR CONSOLES the Wii devkits are the cheapest.

True.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

That's internal. There is upgradable SD flash for more room plus you can use the USB ports for external harddrives.

That costs more money

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

I have no idea how it is in Portugal but I'm pretty sure the accesories and controllers will be reasonably priced. Nintendo isn't Sony.

Haha, good one, infact in Portugal... or at least in the portuguese branch of Media Markt (a know european tech stuff store) Gamecube and the available acessories are the cheapest in the entire world! (AFAIK)
For example a GC controller costs 9.99€! Unbelivable!
Any GC game available costs 9.99€ too! Including Zelda wind Waker Special edition with the N64 zeldas
I got my Gamecube including a game (pokemon) and a official memory card 59 for the absurd price of 49€! 49 Euros!

Unfortunly AFAIK here it's the only place on the world where you can get this prices, so when I have to buy stuff that's not available like a RGB cable I have to order from UK and deal with RealWorld prices, and Nintedo's are far too high.
A 360 RGB cable cost 18£ R.R.P (recomended retail price) while gamecube's RGB costs 19£ as a bargain (R.R.P. in UK is 25£). I got mine in a Amazon seller bargain for 10£ ut it's already gone, don't bother looking for it.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Not going to happen. You won't see either cube controllers or that traditional controller created primarily for the virtual console used in many Wii games. If you don't understand why then you're missing the point of why Wii was created.

Bah I say.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Wow, I never knew you guys were so lucky. If you get mostly everything for cheap then you really shouldn't be complaining when you go and buy something you can't find in your area for a more realistic price. =p

These seem pretty fair prices to me It's paing more that's unfair :lolsign:
But don't get that excited, you wont get more GC at 49€... all GC (at least that I know) have disapear from the country. What were you expecting?

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Ah, I'm sure you'll come around to liking it. At least SSBB will be using the cube and traditional controllers for your tastes for the meantime. Don't expect to see that too often though.

I would laugh if it's the reverse, you trying the new pad and finding out that it's crap but whatever.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Region free wont happen bacause of the incompatibilities of PAL/NTSC and that's something no costumer support wants to deal with. It could happen on the 360/PS3 since the 720p everywhere means the same number of lines universaly but both console also support regular TV so no luck.
Even if they didn't the 720p standard has floating rafresh rate like on regular TV, like 720p50(Hz) and 720p60(Hz). This is probably to make todays TV shows of each region work without using 3:2 pulldown (inserting frames into each second of the image to make it 30 Fps/60Hz) but unfortunly screws our region free gaiming.

Nonetheless it can still be done, but companies don't do it so they can rip us more money based on regions

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Qwarky

Bullshit. NTSC compatibility has not been a problem in Europe for years because virtually every TV here can easily display both 50 and 60Hz image and no American would ever import a European game anyway. A lot of PAL releases offer a 60Hz option too, so Americans would still be able to play those particular titles if they really wanted.

I don't see region free happening for Nintendo, but it would be a dream come true if it did. There really are no other obstacles left other than publishers being greedy.

Granted most TV can do 60Hz but others can't and I'm not seeing them risking that and it's not just the 60Hz problem because that can be easly solved inside the game by limiting the frame rate to 50 FPS.

The problem is (also) in the rest of the specs, the NTSC has 525 lines while PAL has 625 lines meaning that a USA game has a diferent resolution from a European game, and while this can be solved in-game too it's harder and brings other problems so diferent builds are always used.

Also, the color system used is diferent (see NTSC color jokes) and this is a big problem too, this one can be solved by the console by codifing the signal according to your settings.

Bottom line, I'm sure they could do it (and some XBox 360 games do I heard) but they don't usually do it because it would make the console and the games a tad more expensive and because they woudn't be able to rip our pockets like they do today
Also for us europans it normally doesn't make the games that cheaper, we have to pay import duties, pray that game doesn't get caught in the customs, that doesn't get lost overseas, wait weeks for the game to arrive...
USA/Jap imports are only for non available in Europe games.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Free.User

Are you trying to help your argument with that kind of statement?

"Hey guys, computers are so expensive becuase you can buy all the different software titles for it!"

He's trying nothing 'cause no one every buys these things anyway, only on Nintedo's silly mind they belive people will spend money on assessories (pun and typo intended)
The worst thing is that they might force them on us by shipping them with the game and dispite the common(??) belive these don't come for free.

Originally Posted by Solis

Uhh, no, it just means that when they have 512MB of space to work with, they'll get lazy and expect you to have no other games saved on it. Look at Madden on the Gamecube.

Pokemon Colossum uses 48 blocks! Ouch! That's why I've never played that game dispite having it since I got the console.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

A good deal of them I most certainly do. =)

That's wierd alright :eyebrow:

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Technophile

Also, the games are listed as $59.99 for pre-release price. WTF?

What were you expecting? Did you belive Nintendo PR garbage? Games will sell for $59.99 and in some (plenty?) of cases/stores by $69.99, same here for Europe, 69.99€ hapiness for everyone.
I wonder when people will stop listening to marketing crap and use common sense.

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo

Then today I read this from Magicbox "Castlevania producer Koji Igarashi said that Castlevania does not fit with Wii, because the Wii market is for people who want to have new experience, these type of people do not have time to play lengthy games like Castlevania;

What I would like to know is exactly what segment of the market is Nintendo trying to catch, the 'casual gamers' or the 'new gamers', these seems like non existent groups at least in the sense that Nintendo bables.
In fact it's kinda ridiculous, the 'causal gamers' are already gamers (hence the gamers word) so they already know how to use a normal gamepad. So what's the point of the new remote? Anyway who doesn't know how to use a pad after 1 day of trainning? They won't be the experts but it will suffice.
And what about the 'new gamers'? Haven't plenty of 'new gamers' get their consoles with regular pad and learned how to use it just fine? Afterall everyone has a new gamer at some point... not to mention that this group doesn't buy a new game every week. By this logic countless board games would have to be redone because they have too much pieces and rules, same goes for card games, infact god forbid us from playing them, each set has 52 of them!
This whole thing doesn't make any sense, it seems to me that Nintendo is trying to catch some user to add to their fanbase and uses this gimmiekick to attract their curiousity them but they might be shooting themself on the feet.
This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo

also he does not have a good idea to make use of the Wii controller in the game."

Me neither, I have no idea how will all the games I usually play work with the Wii pad. They probably wont but I'm still intrested on how do you control Sonic with a Wii pad on Wildfire.

Originally Posted by Technophile

Looks like the Wii banner for games' covers has been revealed. This was on another forum with no source so I'm not sure how official it is...but here:

Totally fake, screams bad graphic design like a madman.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

I already fucking told you that all first party games will be no more than $50. This was stated by the fucking President of Nintendo, Satoru Iwata.

And I've said that 1st party games (both Nintendo and others) games are.... not so good. Most of us play 3rd party games be it on a Nintendo console or any other.

Originally Posted by elevator

What do you mean? Both quotes from Harrison and Moore about Wii were very positive. Do you expect them to say that it will outsell their own consoles? I think that it is nothing more than Sony saying "People will prefer Wii over 360" and MS saying the same thing about PS3.
I don´t know where to find the Moore quote right now but here is the one by Harrison:


yeah.. very glooming sign

DUDE.... if they considered Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market or even to reduce their own share they would bash it all the possible weak points and even if the console had no weak point they would either make up some or never mention it.
If they openly say the Wii will take the 2nd place is because they have absolutely no fear from it, and means they somehow know the market share of Wii will be something ridiculous... I for one don't like this because it will reduce competition but that's where it seems to be heading.


OH!!! Wait! I got it now! You thought these dudes were sincere, honest, with fair and square market competition. That they were expressing their genuine feelings of admiration about Wii and ready to accept Nintendo's challenge with fair play.
Ah... how silly of you :doh:

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Pez

Broadly speaking, I’d say a ‘new gamer’ is someone who was not involved in the previous console (or handheld) generation. If you think in terms of rough numbers of consoles sold (PS2 100mil, XB 30mil, GC 20mil), I’d consider that anyone outside these 150 million (not accounting for any overlap or replacement units) to be a ‘new gamer.’ To be more specific with regards to exact segments of the market: probably the most striking examples are the Brain Training and Nintendogs games on the DS which were aimed at seniors and women respectively, which prior to the introduction of the system wouldn’t have been classified as ‘gamers’.

I don't think much money will come from these groups, infact the combination of new gamer that isn't intrested on 'regular gaming' (if you wanna call it that) isn't very likely.

Originally Posted by Pez

The ‘casual gamer’ is less easier to define, although it would be unwise to suggest that they all have prior gamepad experience. Games like Freecell, solitaire, minesweeper and bejewelled come to mind, not necessarily confined to console gaming. These are pick up and play: there’s no training isn’t required to point and click and ultimately no barriers to playing. I would suspect the intuitiveness of the Wii controller would provide a similar portal and make them more inclined to pick it up and have a go.

There's the learning curve of handling a mouse, and isn't smaller (using a mouse on a FPS is wicked but then again I'm not good at FPS no matter what mouse/gamepad I use) but when you play such slow paced games as solitaire it doesn't really matter, so you can say that these people's problem is lack of reflexes. Anyway, yes Wii would shine in these kind of games but will such persons throw 250€ at a console just for some fast gaming? Some will but I dunno about the rest. :eyebrow:

Originally Posted by Pez

I suspect most would beg to differ with your interpretation. The much more widely apparent view is that in terms of graphics and game genres, Sony and Microsoft have very little in the way to differentiate between their respective consoles. Hence, the promotion of Nintendo’s innovative new product by both companies as complimentary to their own is seen as a sales tactic to detract sales and attention away from their rival. In addition, it is also seen as an admission that Nintendo’s Wii offers a totally different gaming experience; one that is clearly not possible on either PS3 or X360. After all, if your product was THE comprehensive gaming machine, there’s no logical sense for recommending a rival’s console to compliment it. Obviously, both Sony and Microsoft are going to be fighting it out with each other over the same existing markets. In contrast, Nintendo appears to be growing new markets and demographics.

Exactly but they wouldn't do it unless they were absolutely sure Wii won't mess with their milionaire market share, leading me to thing that they've been performing market studies about Wii and the results haven't impressed them, thus allowing them to use the Wii as a pawn.


Anyway! You avatar is funny.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

Are you seriously trying to say that all the first party games on every single system aren't worth playing?

Since Sega stopped doing consoles? Yeah, most of them aren't that great maybe some are but most aren't. BTW SMario 64 was boring, you should get a N64 for Rare games like Conker (zOMG best N64 game), Banjo or Diddy Kong Racing. Yet it's possible that some Rare games were published by Nintendo (I don't care really, I'm not any company fanboy so I don't keep records to defend them)

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

THERE ARE THREE CONSOLES. MICROSOFT AND SONY BOTH ADMITTING CONSUMERS WILL PICK UP A WII ALONG WITH AN XBOX 360 OR A PLAYSTATION 3 IS HARDLY DOOM AND GLOOM. PERHAPS IF THEY SAID THE WII WAS A BIG BAG OF DOG SHIT AND CONSUMERS WOULD SPIT ON THEM IN STORE BEFORE SETTING THEM ON FIRE AND PLACING THEM ON A DOORSTEP, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE BAD.

No, that would be GOOD because that would mean they take Nintendo's console as a serious thread to them, doing what they do means they know (or at least they think they know) that Wii wont even scrach them.

Oh, are you another one that thinks these dudes are sincere, honest, with fair and square market competition. That they were expressing their genuine feelings of admiration about Wii and ready to accept Nintendo's challenge with fair play. (yes I copy/pasted)


EDIT:

Originally Posted by Grubdog

You don't know what you're talking about. YOU are exactly the reason they said that. It's so they wouldn't look desperate, and to the unknowledgable, it worked! You don't judge companies on words, you judge them on actions.

DESPERATE?? JUST WTF? These guys are the market leaders!

Ok I think we are better to leave the speculation aside for 1 year (at least that's what I'll do effective as of now) and we'll see then the results of Nintendo, Sony and MS efforts.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.

Do you see that nice flag near my nick? that' means I'm not native english speaker, why don't you try to write somethin in portuguese so I can laugh too :biggrin:

Anyway, what' wrong with it so I don't do it again?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

It's LEADERSHIP.

And I'm not a 'native english speaker' either but I try to make the best of it.

Ok thanks!

FELIPE NO