[360] X360 & 720p, oh wait... I'm an idiot...

Perception is reality. As long as a product is good and satisfies the perception that the customer got a good value, what else matters?

I understand you feel "slighted" T1249, but would you of even noticed had some article not tell you that the resolution was 600p as opposed to 720p?

Reading into the link, I can see some people are upset because Microsoft said it was a requirement that games be in at least 720p? Whether that be native or upscaled, I have no idea.

Any case, the point is lost is that the rules have to be bent sometime to ensure a better experience for the consumer. If they can't handle the # of polygons, particle effects, 8x AA, vertex shading, + other misc terms that I doubt any of us really know to make a smooth gaming experience - you do what you must.

If the end product looks good and is enjoyable, mission accomplished. Microsoft remember back in the day had "requirements" for XBLA games being a certain size so they could fit on little memory cards. I think SFII would have been too big for that. Definently the upcoming Symphony of the Night.

HD gaming is important because it's the next evolution in video display. The hardware console specifications has exceeded what the output display was capable of. No comparasion between the look of 420i versus 720p. Kid's survived back in the day with PS2/Snes because RCA inputs have been standard for an extremely long time. I believe they actually have a RCA -> Coaxial convertor for the PS2. (The same connector as the NES) I'd be afraid of how nasty FFX would look filtered through that input. :P

I bought a TV that does 720P/1080i. 1080p wasnt solid 2 years ago and was priced in the 5000+. I wonder now if it would be worthwhile to switch out TVs. Since potentially every game/movie I watch would look better.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

What's the title of this thread? What's the forum is it under?
Oh it's videogames. Sorry, Milton Bradley products are usually not discussed here.

Graphics are not the only thing that creates an immersive gaming experience but it's one of the most important and definently most noticable.

You tell me how well FFVII would have done if it had no CG and looked slightly better than Final Fantasy VI (ala Suikoden II).

And you are welcome to take your component video Xbox switch to Coaxial and tell me how "little" your gameplay experience is deminished.

Gimme a break.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Games are good based on good design not merely pretty graphics. Graphics are there to illustrate a concept. Look at games like tetris and dr. mario. They're both great games that do not rely on insane hi-res graphics... they rely on gameplay. I'd rather sit around and play Dr. Mario for hours than touch Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball (pretty graphics though) with a 10ft pole.

I don't dispute that at all. I'm the person who's first tactical RPG was Vandal Hearts on PS1. I liked it so much I hit the emulators and played the older ones..

I still stand that awesome HD graphics makes games more enjoyable and more immersive. If not, why do game reviews even include graphics and presentation as a review point then? It matters. Why does HD matter now and not matter 6 years ago? Because as long as there is more than 1 video game - comparasions are made. One game will look better than the other. Just because Gears of Wars is the most incredible looking game I've played doesn't mean the rest of it sucks ass either.

DOA Beach Volleyball is retarded. Can only come from the minds of peeps who can invent kasumi pillows. <rolls eyes>

Elixer:

lern2understandmypoint

Xbox360 = Designed for HD gaming 720P/1080i, consequently component video input.
PS2 = Designed for standard definition 480i, consequently RCA video input.

From Wikipedia regarding RF Modulators

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RF modulators produce a relatively poor picture, as image quality is lost during both the Modulation from the source device, and Demodulation in the television.

Not hooking up the Xbox360 to a HD TV is the equilivent of hooking up a PS2 to Coaxial. It's uglier than intended.

I brought up the FF6 versus FF7 comparasion because a claim was made that graphics don't matter. My claim was that it does.

No one can deny that the CG in FF7 brought the product and other RPG's into the mainstream. Does it make FF7 a better game necessairly? No. Did it get more people to try it then if it looked like FF6? HELL YES

You have no idea the differences between RF -> RCA -> Component do you?

How ya doing, buddy?

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I don't dispute that at all. I'm the person who's first tactical RPG was Vandal Hearts on PS1. I liked it so much I hit the emulators and played the older ones..

I still stand that awesome HD graphics makes games more enjoyable and more immersive. If not, why do game reviews even include graphics and presentation as a review point then? It matters. Why does HD matter now and not matter 6 years ago? Because as long as there is more than 1 video game - comparasions are made. One game will look better than the other. Just because Gears of Wars is the most incredible looking game I've played doesn't mean the rest of it sucks ass either.

Did any of you even READ that block of my post? I know none of it was quoted.

Where is "visuals are everything" in there?

I'll stop extoling the virtues of HD versus SD since obviously that is making me a villian.

Have fun in however you want to enjoy your games. I'm happy with my HD gaming experience and soon to be 5.1 surround setup as well.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

How good a game is for the most part comes down to personal preference. Considering one my favorite games to this day is Final Fantasy IV which isn't even a native SNES game but a NES port - clearly graphics are not the only thing.

However saying that graphics don't matter is a mistake. All other things being equal, I'd rather have better visuals than not have better visuals. Seem's like a ridiculous statement to make but it's just as outlandish as a statement such
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Just because someone doesn't have a HDTV does not mean they have an outdated tv

of course SDTV's are outdated in comparasion to HDTV. It's like saying if someone bought a newly manufactored VHS player - the format is still outdated compared to DVD.

If you say WELL NOW, HDTV DOESN'T HAVE THE PENETRATION that DVD players do - I'll conceed that for right now but you are still going to be retarded when you revisit this thread a year from now.

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1.) If graphics didn't matter, game reviews would not include Graphics (or presentation for that matter) as scoring criteria.

2.) If you do not have HD, you are not enjoying XBOX360/PS3 games the way the creator's intended. I don't think the artists created high resolution visuals and wanting for people to see their work not seen in the best possible light.

3.) Taking the exact same title, I have a better experience than you. This isn't I am having more fun playing Final Fantasy VII than you are playing Final Fantasy VI because my graphics are better. It's we are both playing Final Fantasy VII, my experience is better than yours.

4.) You are all confusing my posts with the OP's. Someone made a comment that 720P/HD gaming is not a big deal. I contest that it is. Am I pissed that Call of Duty 3 is 600P compared to 720P? Not at all. I can still tell you though that 600P is a whole hell of a lot better looking than 480P.

5.) We are not even comparing X game is better than Y game because of better graphics. I am saying X game is better than X game in high def vs standard def. Why people are arguing that fact makes no sense to me.

6.) Analogies like Component > Composite > Coaxial is meant to illustrate the gains and downgrades one would experience by not using the best possible output option offered by your respective gaming console.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Capcom for better or worse, have made two of their XB360 games nearly unplayable on a SDTV setup. Dead Rising and Lost Planet have unreadable text under SDTV resolution.

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http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/capcom/...uel-217066.php

This is rumor but its possible that Red Steel for PAL countries will require progressive scan -> HDTV inputs to play as well for the Nintendo Wii.

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http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/red-ste...nly-217211.php

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Also, I REALLY enjoy Chorno Trigger and FFIII (VI) much moreso than a number of games from later generations. e.g. FF VIII and Chrono Cross.

This is a stacked argument as everyone knows that FFVIII and CC is completely owned by FFVI and CT.

Suikoden V, Xenosaga I, Final Fantasy X, Knights of the Old Republic, etc make better examples that story, gameplay, graphics can co-exist just fine.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?