George Lucas to make big announcement tomorrow!

Originally Posted by Elixir

He's entitled to his opinion, dude.

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

I heard reports that he's making two TV series. One will be Star Wars from the end of Episode III to the beginning of Episode IV. There is a lot of time in between those two titles so it doesn't seem like a bad idea. I just wonder how well it will turn out. The other TV series is a big question to me.

One is a "continuation" of the Clone Wars cartoon, except done in CGI. This one is actually being made as we speak, probably for a release early next year.

The live action series that will take place between the prequels and original trilogy has only just started pre-production (Rick McCallum stated that he sat down with Lucas only in the last two weeks to start putting the whole thing together, probably only to fix a budget), and is slated for 2009/2010.

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Originally Posted by Winter Storm

EPIII could have been more believably realistic with the fighting

Believability. In a Star Wars movie? What the fuck do you want, Robert Aldrich? Either you're utterly stupid or you don't understand the subject matter.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Winter Storm

My point was EPIII had bad visuals.

As opposed to the realism of a puppet or Spider-Man swinging through the city? Get off your soapbox.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Winter Storm

Compared to the fight scenes in Episode I and all the fight scenes in the original trilogy, the poor visually quality of the fights(minus the Count Dooku, Anakin vs Obi fight) in EPIII were done pretty badly.

You rage against the machine about as hardcore as a kitten with a ball of yarn. Did you happen to read what you just wrote? "This is how it is - but this is the exception!"

No one cares what you think about the fights, because your opinion is neither educated nor intelligently written. Just because you have one doesn't make it valid. Next, I expect you to try and tell me the invasion of Inchon was a bad idea...

Originally Posted by Winter Storm

That is my opinion. One that will not change.

One would liken you to speaking to a wall but I think I'd get something better from the wall.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Why make an "announcement" if there were nothing to show for it?

He didn't. A journalist misinterpreted material from the convention.

Stop being a jamrag.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by RainMan

Good work taking my post without a sense of humour.

Good work making a bad post with no humor in it. If you want something to be funny, you shouldn't open your discussions with matter-of-fact statements. Thats like reading a physics book aloud and then giving us a punchline.

Add to that I didn't even see a punchline and you have all the workings of a bad post.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I was obviously extremely serious, and lord knows that this is all very serious business, this being Star Wars and all...

Glad to see your empty snide remarks are still handy. You certainly earn your keep in Douchebag 101 class.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Just because I am not as big a Star Wars nerd as you are, doesn't mean that my commentary on Lucas is any less warranted.

While thats neither here nor there, your point here is monumentally stupid for several reasons...

1.) The fact that I know more about the subject than you should denote that I have a more informed (educated, though I loathe to use that term when talking about something like this), factually based understanding of the topic. That is - Since I do know more, you know less and hence your opinion is of a lower tier than my own.

Similarly, I'm sure there are fans out there that would be able to tell me all sorts of crazy things I do not know about Star Wars. (As a general thing, those people are scary and should be approached with nothing less than a fireteam of Stormtroopers)

2.) Having an opinion on a topic does not make you bulletproof. If anything, an opinion is the singular thing above all else that SHOULD be attacked/questioned/made an example of. If your opinion was that people should lick the ground at 3 pm every day, that is your opinion - but having one does not make you intelligent.

As Harlan Ellison said, "Everyone has the right to an informed opinion."

3.) The internet is full of idiots. These idiots are the same people who scream conspiracy about Babylon 5 spinoffs being canned, Enterprise not being Star Trek enough or Firefly/Battlestar Galactica/Jericho being intelligent and/or important.

Similarly, people piss and moan about the Star Wars prequels. Nevermind that the narative in The Phantom Menace is the strongest of the three prequels - Jar Jar is in it the most! It must be terrible!

All the same people complain about the same tepid shit about the prequels. None of them bother looking at the little details in the movies - the Jedi live in an Ivory Tower (nudge nudge), The Jedi use cult indoctrinations to assimilate children (hint hint), Yoda may have perpetually lied to maintain his status on the council as his "Fear leads to anger..." is in opposition to "Trust your feelings", (wink wink).

Closer examination in the prequels gives the audience a bevy of interesting nuances, especially with The Phantom Menace - everything is bright and happy, even slaves! (They're clean and well fed and generally happy with their lifestyle.)

So shove your internet cynicism. Those of us with a functioning intelligence don't take to your baseless idology simply because you have them.

Originally Posted by RainMan

When I, or anyone else happens to talk about your good buddy George in a tone that you don't like, you get defensive. What do you care?

Because as an intelligent human being, I consider all forms of stupidity as a personal afront. Is it too much to ask that you chew on an idea before speaking it? As Martin Fraquhar Tupper said - "Well timed silence hath more eloquence than speech."

Originally Posted by RainMan

Do you really think I should heed your advice and stop being a 'jamrag'? Take your own advice.

1.) Thats a terrible closing statement.

2.) Since you put quotes around the word jamrag, Ill tell you that its the british slang for a (used) tampon. Just so you know for future reference and so you don't have to quote it and look like an unknowing jerk.

3.) You should heed my advice because not only have I proven you wrong but I've bolstered my arguement past your apparent facilities. If you care to continue this, you're welcome to but as I see it, you have nothing to add but empty negativity.

Go back to chasing monsters up hills with your pitchfork and torches.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by RainMan

Anyways, I'm done talking with you. You are now ignored, Troll.

So - you're insulted that I have made several points... and then you ignore everything I wrote, even though you apparently have an "opinion". Clever.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by RainMan

Lehah makes a number of assumptions, none of which I care to either prove or disprove as I have much better things to do with my time.

For someone who demands to inform us that they have better things to do, you sure do come back often to tell us that.

I also enjoy the fact that you spend your time when you have better things to do making posts that completely ignore all the specific points I made in my posts. Not only did you create the topic drift - not only do you refuse to acknowledge that - but you perpetuate its state by not answering my post at all.

Congrats - you're the asshole troll you attempted to peg me as. The reason this thread exists in this state is your inability to reply to me, except in the form of empty dismissives. How about you actually STOP POSTING instead of telling us you're going to stop posting?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I don't think I need to explain myself to you

Bullshit. The whole reason this thread took the turn it did was because you opened your mouth and in an unintelligent way. If you're going to flap your gums about any subject - and rudely, I might add - don't cry foul when someone else calls you out on your bad behavior.

Originally Posted by RainMan

At the very least, I was amused and thats all that needs to be said about it.

Thats a great peice of reasoning for a seven year old. All it is is a generic, narcicistic response. "I don't care what it meant, what I said amuses me!"

Isn't that one of the defining definitions of what you tried to attribute to me?

Originally Posted by RainMan

However, this was simply an idea you used in order to rush to the offensive. I can envision you in your room, stroking your lightsaber as you defend George Lucas from "undeserved criticism".

You're welcome to criticize the man all you want. It just happens that

1.) Yours was idiotic
2.) Yours was uninformed
3.) Yours was nothing more than a rehash of what anonymous dullards on the internet have wanted to agree on since 1999, in an attempt to make each other feel better.

If you had wanted to make an example of why the prequels don't fit the "Joesph Campbell" blueprints or how the sound mixes were terrible or any number of valid, intelligent, informed thoughts - we would not be here.

Instead, you "amused" yourself with simply having an opinion and nothing else.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I am sorry you can't tell the difference between a joke and what is not a joke.

I have an excellent sense of humor. Ask most anyone on the board, outside of Elixir. Its so well honed in fact, that I can tell you that your post just wasn't funny.

In your defense though, the internet has an absolutely terrible sense of humor, so if you were attempting to reel in people using that type of humor, I'm sorry for you.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Regardless, I don't know you, nor give 2 shits about you in any way, shape or form.

You've said this before. You've made posts saying you had better things to do before. Yet you come back time and time again - even after you said I "won"! - to prove yourself nothing more than a petulant child, unable to let anything go. Did you not see the out I gave you? Or did you just have to keep spreading the shit around to satisfy some base need to make a fool of yourself?

Originally Posted by RainMan

Had you shown any courtesy, at any point in time, I would've been willing to at least be civil in discussion.

Civility? On the internet?!

In all honesty though, respect is earned and not given. Your opening statement was terrible, had you dialed back and changed/corrected/explained yourself earlier, perhaps things would be different.

On the other hand perhaps you are not able to change/correct/explain yourself, and if thats the case, I again give you the option to just plain stop posting.

Originally Posted by RainMan

But you ARE a troll. I know very well what a 'jamrag' is. Nice job trying to be clever.

This coming from the person perpetuating their stupidity as general intelligence because its their "opinion".

Originally Posted by RainMan

My bad. I wasn't aware of the fact that all comedy has to be deemed funny by you in order to be substantial or valid. You tard.

I enjoy the fact that you call me a "tard" (please, spell out whole words next time. You're giving me a headache), yet I'm the troll. Mmm. Very good reasoning there.

As for the fact that your post was not funny - it wasn't. What you're doing now amounts to a stand-up comedian yelling back at his audience when he's not being funny. Its not my fault you weren't funny, I'm just telling you it as a fact.

Originally Posted by RainMan

First of all, where the hell do you get off telling someone else how to tell a joke?

The fact that there was no joke kind of leaves me confused about this question.

Originally Posted by RainMan

As if there were some right or wrong way to go about doing it.

There is though. When a joke isn't funny - its being done wrong! When a joke is funny - its being done right!

See the difference there?

Originally Posted by RainMan

The fact that you don't find my comments funny isn't at all surprising, being the humorless, George Lucas sphincter licker that you are.

Now you're just jumping around a lot...

Originally Posted by RainMan

FYI, a joke doesn't need to fulfill any criteria in order to be funny.

That has to be the stupidest thing said on the internet this side of 4chan.

"Humor doesn't have criteria!" is about as false a statement as "The sun doesn't have to be hot!"

Originally Posted by RainMan

Humour, like opinions, is highly variable and comes in a variety of shapes and forms.

No. No no no. Stop that.

Humor is a very specific thing. Even when someone may not find something funny - they can still see there is a punchline. They may not find the joke funny, but they know when to shake their head at it.

Opinion is a very general thing. You can have a million opinions on a zillion topics - and none of them can be valid. Just look at that "I'm Definitely Manga Canon" thread in The Sewers. These people have the opinion that their spiritual successors are anime characters.

Just because there are options in humor and opinion does not mean all are valid or intelligent.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Lets see. How else can I put this...I don't care if you laughed at the joke or not. I don't require your approval.

But you do, as I am part of your intended audience. No one else responded to your post either, so what does THAT tell you?

I mean, if you want to come to terms on your original post, it was masturbative. It made you felt good and meant nothing to anyone else. Don't take that as terrible because a lot of internet posts are like that - but thats all it was. It didnt do anyone any good except for yourself.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Yea, I am sure a lot of trivial Star War's knowledge goes a long way in your make believe world, but try asking anyone if they care.

I... don't know where this came from but I'll roll with it.

Had our discussion been about, say, General MacArthur's invasion of Inchon (another subject I know something about) and you made a stupid post about how he should've been removed sooner because he was a loose canon his entire career, I'd still reply to you in this way.

Simply because you have a vauge opinion on a subject doesn't mean you can equate your opinion against that of an acredited person. In this case, I wouldn't dare open my mouth to William Manchester (bless his soul) about Doug MacArthur - and similarly you shouldn't open your mouth about Star Wars when I do know more than you.

Its a simple matter of knowing more and being able to apply it to the conversation. You've added nothing but empty nonsense and when I've pointed this out, you throw in silly dismissives as if they somehow allow you a "Get Out Of Stupid Jail Free" card. It doesn't work that way because what I say sticks - and what you say certainly doesn't.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Sorry to disappoint you.

There is no disappointment on my end, thank you.

Originally Posted by RainMan

However, there is nothing objective about an opinion

Yet... you... admit to having a large ignorance towards the subject we're talking about (at least to the extent that I know) and you keep talking about it? Oh man, you are just arrogant, aren't you? It doesnt matter what words come out, so long as you have something to say...

Originally Posted by RainMan

and your "valuable" knowledge doesn't make your opinion any more important than even the slimiest plankton on the planet.

The knowledge isnt valuable, really - but it is in this thread, since its the subject we're talking about.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Now here's the kicker. You claim to know the sum of my knowledge and claim that your thoughts are therefore more valid than mine...

Tell me this. What from ANYTHING that I've posted in this thread has allowed you to witness the sum of this knowledge and come to a conclusion?

Simple deductive logic. A person who is called out on bullshit but knows something in-depth about any topic is going to defend their point with fact. Your lack of doing this shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I never made the claim that any of my comments were intended to be intelligent.

Then you should not have spoken.

Why would you open your mouth if you have nothing to add? Are you that full of self-important opinion? Does your ego exceed accountable knowledge? I don't think so. Unless you're able to bring something to the perverbial table, stow it.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Then again, you have a tendency to presume a great deal beyond your capacity, don't you?

Persumption has nothing to do with it, as you've only replied to my points after a third party heckled you - and with utterly vapid "this is what *I* think" responses.

Originally Posted by RainMan

You haven't really refuted this theory...is there a point to this sad, pathetic attempt at explaining your crotchety antics?

Yes, honeychild. This is the part of a whole statement. To take this single paragraph out of context with the rest of the statement only shows the fact you're completely unable to put things into context.

Not a surprise, given your whimsical dismissal of the prequels later in your entry.

Originally Posted by RainMan

No, you fool. You again presume to lump me together with the object of your explicit scorn.

You've not garnered anything BUT a lumping in with the internet's worst. The reason I so easily did this is because this is exactly who you are. Notice the complete lack of effort I had in making this point, earlier - and then the angry response I get to it. Striking nerves through common sense is something I'm quiet good at, don't you think?

Originally Posted by RainMan

I will let you know that Phantom Menace is by far the strongest addition to that lacklustre series that you preach so highly of. That speaks nothing of how absolutely shitty the other 2 submissions are and as it were, it certainly isn't enough to keep the greater whole of the series from being vastly infantile in comparison to the first Star Wars trilogy.

A statement as empty as I imagine your head to be. Saying "I don't like it!" across two sentences is just repetitive; not to mention you don't even justify your opinion simply beyond having one to start with.

Okay - so you don't like it. You didn't make me THINK about your post at all, and that is why you fail.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Its only tepid shit because you don't happen to agree with it.

No, its tepid shit because everyone who says that they hate Jar Jar never say WHY. They just agree with each other in some circlejerk to make each other feel validated in their weird, empty thoughts. Jar Jar is as ignorable a character as you're able to find in the prequels, as he has absolutely no (direct) effect on the original trilogy. This is directly opposed to the characterization of Anakin, but my thoughts on that are moot in this discussion at this time.

Originally Posted by RainMan

The idea that your "knowledge" somehow makes your opinion vastly superior, is again, laughable.

Yes, the fact that I know what I'm talking about makes my point invalid, yet somehow you talking out of your ass about nothing to no one about something you say you don't care about but still fill a page with is perfectly right-minded.

I wouldn't call you a troll - but I would call you someone who takes up far too much space to say absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I thought it was subtextual garbage.

I know your opinion is worthless because you can't make an arguement with it. Strawmen and what have you. You may think the "subtexts" are "garbage" but if you don't justify what you think, no one is ever going to care.

Originally Posted by RainMan

If you are insinuating that these factors keep the validity of Star Wars philosophical premise, at groundbreaking highs, then you are obviously fairly easy to amuse. I am glad it blew you away, but I can't be bothered to care.

I ... didn't insinuate a damn thing because I made very clear, concise points. Disagreeing with them doesn't suddenly make them vapor - they're right there in front of you and everyone else who reads them.

(f you can't be bothered to care - why in the hell are you still typing?)

Originally Posted by RainMan

Interesting to whom? Oh yea, you. Which basically is enough to say that every opinion that disagrees with your own is doomed to failure.

I have no problem with people having opposing intelligent opinions with mine.

Then again, I also don't post in threads where I know nothing about the topic.

You've failed badly on both those counts, it seems.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I don't have any idea how you live on a day to day basis, but given your amorous feedback in this thread, it gives me shudders to consider.

I live quite well, thank you. I do my laundry, I iron my clothes, I go to my job. I do everything a person should do.

On the other hand, you say you're going to leave the thread and don't. When you come back, you say you had something else to do and couldn't be bothered - that is, until someone else pointed out your BS. You then make a long, long post based on absolutely nothing what-so-ever - just a long bunch of responses to my WORDS and not WHAT THEY SAY.

I don't think I've seen this spectacular a failure since those Marine Helicopters crashed during the Carter Administration.

Originally Posted by RainMan

idology? No. It again, was a joke.

And by now, we're all aware of the effectiveness of your sense of humor.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I never claimed that anyone had to take my comments to heart.

Then you should not have spoken.

Originally Posted by RainMan

This is the difference between you and I. A joke that you neither understand nor have any predilection for laughing at, is not my problem. Sorry.

It may not be your problem - but your obvious lack of any type of substance as a poster is the forum's problem, certainly.

Please, think before you type and consider if you even want to respond. There is nothing to be lost in just shutting your yap.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by BucPride

I wasn't an overly huge fan of the prequel series. LeHah makes a good point about Jar Jar, as he is easily dismissed and ignored. My most major gripes stem from the casting, dialog, and certain areas of the plot, not Jar Jar.

The prequels are certainly the weaker of the two trilogies - but don't let the weight of other people's ignorance weigh down your thoughts on them. Generally, if a hundred people say something is terrible - you should investigate yourself before agreeing with anything.

Originally Posted by BucPride

Unfortunately, Neeson didn't last past the first film, and is too bad they didn't bring him back for at least a cameo in the next in some form of a force spirit.

One of the strangest things is that Qui-Gon's spirit is in the offical screenplay book. His scene was suppose to be between where Yoda awakens from meditation and Bail Organa walks into the room at the end of Episode III. Not only that - but Qui-Gon mentions the Whills! (Something that was mentioned in the earliest drafts of the original trilogy). Hayden did much better in Episode III.

Originally Posted by BucPride

The bad casting, obviously, amounts to the two people they had played Anakin, Christiansen (sp?) and I believe kid's name was Jack Lloyd or something like that(?).

I didn't like Hayden Christianson for Episode II. I don't think he's a bad actor (go see the movie Shattered Glass, he's quite good in it) but I think that it takes a certain actor to deliver what George Lucas wants. I'm not talking verbally either, but also in terms of physical acting (which the three actors you mentioned hit the nail on the head)

Jake Lloyd is a different, trickier matter. He was, what, 8 when he made the movie? I can't blame him for not being good (because he's not) but I *can* blame Lucas and the casting director for hiring him - especially considering one of the finalists was a young actor named Haley Joel Osment.

(Personally, I find the worst offender to be Natalie Portman. On one level, she's suppose to have been a proven actress by this point - but she delivers dialouge with all the enthusiasm as someone reading the ingredients off a hot dog package. It eventually culminated in her really, really bad choking scene at the end of Episode III. Her dialouge is read as stilted and almost sarcastic, as if she speaks the english language but doesn't know what she's saying, like a first year Spanish student in high school.)

Originally Posted by BucPride

Though, to be fair, Jackson did do alright for his short lived screen time, so I suppose I'll retract that.

The big problem with playing a Jedi or a character like that is you have to play the character completely straight. Even Yoda, who has a humorous edge to him, has to be played completely straight - or you end up with someone whos just unbelievable.

Jackson did well with what he had. Obviously, he had more to run with in Episode III, so there was more to "look at". I was pleased with his final scene but not so much his fate as it was a little too ambiguous. (My friend next to me whispered "REDUCE INJURY!" right before Windu went out the window - a nod to the old WEG Star Wars RPG)

Originally Posted by BucPride

The dialog was where I was the most disappointed and infuriated. Well, bluntly put, things were about as well written and subtle as they were in X3

The thing I don't get is that the quality of writing in the prequels is about the same level as the original Star Wars (and a lot of ROTJ). I'm not sure why people continue to hound it. Lucas is obviously not Alvin Sergent or Paddy Chayefsky - but anyone who expects that is not in his right mind anyway.

The X3 compairison is pretty apt, actually. The difference is that I hope to never, ever see X3 again - while I just watched Phantom Menace for the first time in years last weekend.

Originally Posted by BucPride

The whole abandonment issue with women that Anakin has (I don't remember the technical term) starting with episode two when his mother dies, was pretty well done as long as you can get over his 'behold furrowed brows in anger'.

He does have an abandonment issue - but you're actually thinking of an Oedipus Complex, which Anakin has in spades. He's unable to hold a healthy relationship with a woman due to his seperation from his mother at such a young age. He flips his shit when his mother dies - and then does it to Padme when she is about to be a mother herself. Cyclic and all that nonsense.

Originally Posted by BucPride

Of course, that flies in the face of obtuse things like Order 66, the lack of ability of the Jedi Order in finding the Sith that, according to them, they couldn't detect.

Something that was beautifully noted in Phantom Menace and later screwed with in AotC was that the Jedi were so blatantly ignorant of the galaxy around them. Here they are - peace keepers of the universe - but Qui-Gon refuses to free slaves on Tattooine? That there are slums and drug pushers on Coruscant? How are these people the righteous and benevolent judges of the Republic.

This was later changed to "We're losing sensitivity to the Force" ...and that was that. Nothing was explained except an impression that something was blocking them. What the heck was that about?

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Originally Posted by RainMan

I felt teabagged after witnessing episodes I-III.

People who don't do as they say and don't reply to posts directed at them are not welcome in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

And Qui Gon couldn't show up for the third film because he had broken his leg skiing around the available time. Something like that.

I think it was he hit a deer while riding his motorcycle in Connecticut and broke his ass.

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Originally Posted by RainMan

Mark Hamill was nearly burned alive in a car wreck before the filming of Empire Strikes Back.

It was a highway accident immedeately after filming the pilot for "Eight Is Enough", days after Star Wars opened in theaters.

He needed plastic surgery - but its no where near as bad as the internet makes it sound.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Liam Neeson's car hit a deer and he couldn't even make a simple appearance?

Motorcycle, not car. Hence the extent of his injuries.

Originally Posted by RainMan

It is not a fight that I started and I simply was letting him know that I wasn't in the mood.

Yet you're still acting like an ambulatory cock in this thread. Stop it.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Simply, the guy was itching to make an attack on what he considered to be an "unfair" opinion that he didn't happen to agree with...

I find it very bolstering that you see your uninformed opinion as "unfair". Maybe you CAN be taught...

Originally Posted by RainMan

He threw a cheap shot and I took my time reciprocating in turn. Its nothing more profound than that, I'm afraid.

So you willfully trolled the thread repeatedly, despite my giving you an out three times?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Cellius

Is that from the awful Dark Empire comic series?

Correction.

Dark Empire was fair.

Dark Empire 2 was bad.

Pretty much every Star Wars comic following that was terrible.

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Originally Posted by Cellius

AND it forced KJ Anderson to restructure his story for the Jedi Academy Trilogy

I don't see how - since DE was released in 1991 (meaning it was probably being written in 1990), while KJA's crap was done three or four years after.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Cellius

There's an interview with Anderson in one of the very early Star Wars Insiders where he says he was on the phone with Tom Veitch - author of Dark Empire - and he said that he had to change most of the beginning of Jedi Search, because Veitch planned to leave Coruscant in ruins. Dark Empire ends essentially where Jedi Search picks up.

Blame LucasLicensing for allowing Veitch to do that.

Not to mention, KJA isnt exactly the most... mature of sci-fi authors. More than once he's struck back at people who (rightfully) chastize his books.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

I remember when KJA wrote about Mara Jade and Lando being together, an implication anyway.

Anderson is probably the worst repeat offender of the Star Wars writers. All of his material is overblow, nonsensical and childish.

"Its not the Death Star - its the SUN CRUSHER!"
"Kyp's lightsaber is TWICE AS LONG!"
"Despite the Emperor's bigotry towards women THERES A YOUNG FEMALE ADMIRAL WORKING AT A SECRET MILITARY INSTALLATION"

Fucking UGH. Its like fanfiction except he makes money off of it.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Cellius

Why aren't you complaining about Thrawn, since Palpatine had an equal bias against non-humans? Just because Thrawn kicked ass?

Because Zahn can actually write. He's won Nebula Awards and whatnot.

Anderson does movie adaptation novels. See the difference?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Cellius

Just because the creator of one such character is a vastly better author than another doesn't excuse the contradiction.

Actually, thats EXACTLY my point. One author was able to write that "exception" (Thrawn) and make it believable, while Anderson wrote it and it was just another gimick like his constant obsession with superweapons.

The contradiction is only as digestable as the author writes it. Zahn made it particularly memorable (though some of his later books were lazy) while Anderson struggled to even maintain my attention past the dust jacket.

Originally Posted by Cellius

Besides, there are other females in positions of power in the Empire: Isard, Leonia Tavira, and Mara Jade come to mind for me right away.

Keep in mind though - that these are all after Zahn's original idea of Thrawn being an exception. Not to mention - he also wrote Mara Jade, whom you cite, and did a good job at that.

The fact that other such examples exist is moot as they all depend on the quality and believability of the writing - something that EU only does once in a blue moon.

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Originally Posted by Cellius

I haven't read the newer Zahn books. I was thinking of picking up Outbound Flight when I saw it in a bookstore once but didn't.

Outbound Flight was probably the strongest of his post-Thrawn novels. Survivor's Quest needs to be read beforehand for full appreciation, but OF is the superior novel.

(I actually have a hardcover copy autographed by Zahn)

Originally Posted by Cellius

To me there's a kind of charm about Zahn's earlier books when he references the Old Republic and you know it was made without knowledge of the prequels' story

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

Damn, for a hundred dollars I almost got the comic Zahn wrote (autographed) for the marriage between Luke and Mara.

For $30, I got "canonized".

I also have a "tip-in plate" (Basically a sticker the author autographs for you to stick in your book) from Steve Perry (Shadows Of The Empire)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?