[PS2] Ace Combat Thread (a.k.a. We Do Not Have Air Superiority)

Thanks for the tracks Rock.

Can't wait for this game. I love this series so much. Since Pops is back, I'm guessing Bartlett should be around too. Think we might even run into Hamilton? He was a Belkan ace wasn't he?

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You can't restock mid-mission in AC5. Going to have to use your gun more or pick targets more carefull.

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Final Option was great. A lot of people seemed to not like it though. Only mission I didn't like was Solitaire. Mostly because I hated flying through those radar areas, and you don't get to blow anything up. Not to mention Pops was getting pretty picky about the angle from which I took the picture.

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http://ps2.ign.com/articles/702/702736p1.html

There's the IGN review, if anyone really cares.

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Does anyone have any tips on dodging that laser the first mission it appears in? It appears right in front of me, and by the time I turn the plane it's already expanded to fill the entire radar screen. Is there a certain speed I should be at? Does it expand more at lower altitudes?

Edit: Nevermind, I figured it out^^'

I was speaking idiomatically.

I just finished it for the first time, and I have to say I think it might be my favorite. It was short, but the missions were a lot more fun than most of the ones in 05. No escort missions, or silly radar mazes. Also I liked Pixy as a character, he was pretty cool.

Plan to get to that Mobius 1 secret. Sounds tough though.

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Btw, PJ died right? Was that his grave at the end?

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Wizard 1 was sent to jail for a different reason too. He was part of some other rebel group after game took place

FELIPE NO

http://jeff.ali213.net/ACZero/index.htm

You can try that site too for the soundtrack.

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Btw.. there was a video on the trailer of some guy called "bringer of death", I think it says I shot him down, but I never saw his video, he's that guy in the image that someone edited to say "wtf man". I never saw him, but then again I only went through one run of the game.

Depending on your ace style you face different aces in the missions where they appear. The one you mention is from the Schwarze squad. He appears if you're a merc during the second Round Table mission.

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I don't mind that it's short because it lacks the crappy filler missions that 05 had. Like did we really need the Handful of Hope mission? I enjoyed every mission in AC0, even the last two (I don't get why people hate them so much, they're not even that hard).

Btw, I only use triangle to switch targets. Holding it down gets me all disoriented. I also play in cockpit or first person.

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My problem with the XB-0 was that it wasn't epic enough. It should have been more like the Arkbird in 05. That battle was nice.

What they should do for the missions where you have to earn points is that when you reach the limit you can return to base to end the battle, or you can wait out the time and keep destroying stuff. That way everyone is happy.

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I'll have to jump in and say that I agree that Zero's last battle was better than 05's. There you are facing off against your buddy, one-on-one. It was far more personal and emotional than 05's. 05 was more about the grand scope of things, while Zero was just so much more personal. It was all about you. The war was really only a backdrop.

Plus I've been waiting for an AC to end with a dogfight.

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Does anyone have any good shots of Pixy from the cutscenes? I want to make an avatar.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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As well as mention of Pops from the Schwarze squad?

He was being chased by Schwarze. He wasn't in that squad.

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It's no fun using the Falken in Gauntlet. I like to have some real dogfights in there. Granted it's much harder, but it feels so much better when you win.

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I don't want super realistic stuff in the AC games. If I want that I'll play a flight simulator. I like the easy to play, arcade style the games have now. No fuel meters, blacking out, or making sure my wing flaps are angled right. I want a fun action game, that doesn't require I have a degree in aeronautics.

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Sorry if this is a bit late, but I had a theory about AC5 that someone had mentioned. Basically they had asked why the Gray Men had Osea and Yuktobania fight, when it seems all the Yukes did was some aid in the form of technology and supplies. Well if you wanted to get back at Osea, a superpower, by having them fight a war that would wipe them out then you'd want them to fight a country of equal power. If they just had them fight, say Ustio, it most likely wouldn't have lasted long.

*shrugs* Just an idea.

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Originally Posted by tajisdurmin

It's not a bad theory, Rei, just not quite plausible given the chain of events. The main anomaly is the Arkbird's scheduled attack in White Bird II: if you have such a limited supply of nukes, why hit Okchabursk in Yuktobania when you could just as easily prolong the war and directly hurt the people you hate by taking out Oured? On top of that, if you are trying to prolong things, why nuke the Yukes when they're down? The whole thing's almost over as it is when you leave the OADF after Fortress, which even the Belkans sent to attack you concede when they blame you for screwing things up. Pretty much the only reason that leaves for Okchabursk as a target is a grudge against Yuktobania, one which ACZ doesn't do much to explain.

I'm not sure, but I don't think the Yukes were on the losing end anymore. I'm pretty sure Genette mentions that once the Razgriz left the war was stuck in a stalemate. So it wasn't so one sided at that point. Also as Racin mentioned, by nuking the Yuke capitol it would horrify the world and cause a huge backlash against Osea. Not to mention enrage the Yuktobanian population.

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Damned if I know why it'd stalemate after Fortress, though; if it's solely because of Razgriz's absence, the OADF just sucks. I'm not contesting that the game suggests a stalemate, just that it never made sense given how well the invasion were going.

Could be more of the Gray Men's doing. I'm not sure just how in control of the respective governments they were, but if they saw the war was going to end soon they could have slowed the invasion quite a bit.

Also nuclear weapons hold a certain stigma with them that makes them far more evil an act than just blowing up subs. Also that nuke drop would have caused other countries to most likely strike out against Osea. Since, as you claim, Osea is the real target. Yuktobania gets nuked out of the war when Osea was winning, and the other countries see how ruthless they are and band against Osea.

I think we're just looking too deeply at this though. I understand what you're trying to do. When you get below the surface of AC5's story it begins to fall apart, and AC0 didn't really fix those plotholes. But some things just weren't made for such analyzing. I do it all the time myself, but sometimes you just have to accept it at face value lol.

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I don't remember the Arkbird's laser ever being sabatoged, especially since they use it on your when you shoot it down.

It was damaged shortly after the Scinfaxi battle. It's mentioned quickly in one of the cutscenes. The one where Genette goes to tape the base commander, and Pops warns him he's in a bad mood.

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It's entirely possible that wiping Okchabursk off the map might have done all that, but many things in the game suggest that the whole Belkan plan really does center on vengeance against Osea. Look at AC5's Free Mission map and consider the SOLG drop in The Unsung War: if Cinigrad is west of Oured and the SOLG is above South Belka (west of Oured) when its eastward orbit begins to deteriorate, it'd be faster and easier to deorbit the thing onto Cinigrad. Hitting Oured takes more time and a longer course, which doesn't make sense if Belka hates both countries equally.

Like I said, they probably do hate Osea more. The impression I got from AC0 was that Osea took advantage of Belka prior to the Belkan War, and after they won it was made to seem like Osea was a kind of sore winner (them claiming half of Belka as their own for example). So I'm sure the Gray Men want to get back at Osea more. Yuktobania is just convienient in that they're powerful enough to take on Osea, and not get crushed. Osea beats the Yukes back, the Gray Men nuke the Yuke capitol when the Oseans are about to win anyway, the world gets pissed at Osea and consequences ensue. Sounds like a good plan to me. The SOLG was a last ditch effort. The Gray Men basically saying "Well damn, our original plan didn't work. Just drop the SOLG on them."

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

Do you think the bomb was actually planted by the Yukes, or do you think it was actually someone on the Grey Men's payroll (like the ones that took over the Arkbird in White Bird II). They could have felt the tide of the war was turning too far, and they needed to even things out a bit.

That's the most likely explanation. That it was the Gray Men.

I was speaking idiomatically.