It's a sad day for fans of Gargoyles

My sister has been wanting to get this show on DVD for a while, but she hasn't bought any of it yet. I should tell her that if she doesn't go buy it now she may never get to have all of it on DVD.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

But Rock, it's not even completely released yet.

That's what I meant. If she doesn't buy what is out now (Season 1 and the first half of season 2), she'll never be able to get the rest of it (the second half of season 2 and the Goliath Chronicles, though she doesn't care for that too much) on DVD, since they're basing the release of Season 2, Volume 2 on the sales of the other sets. Basically, if she doesn't contribute to the sells of the current sets out now, she may never be able to see future sets.

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The show was in syndication when it first came on, and moved to ABC for the Goliath Chronicles. It only started coming on cable after its initial run.

I used to watch the show, but I've never been as a big a fan as my sister has. I realized this when I watched an episode a couple of years ago and didn't really like it that much anymore. If my sister buys the DVDs I may try rewatching it from the beginning, but I doubt I'll ever buy them for myself.

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Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

And you know Disney thinks the series is good enough to keep it on Toon Disney inspite of it supposedly not being a profitable show.

I'm not taking sides or anything, but I just wanted to say something about this point.

Yes, they show it on Toon Disney, but there is a couple of issues with that. First off, it's on Toon Disney, which is for most people a satellite/digital cable channel. That alone means that not that many people are gonna watch it to begin with, since a lot of people don't even get the channel.

Second, don't forget that for the majority of the time it's been on Toon Disney (and even before that when it was on the regular Disney Channel), it's only come on during the late night/early morning hours. If Disney really thought it was that good, why only restrict it to those hours? You could argue that it's the content, but I doubt that since A) other shows with similar content like Spider-Man air at earlier hours, and B) other shows that don't really even have any objectionable content, like Tale Spin, are usually only restricted to those hours too.

Sad to say, but I think the main thing here is that the show really isn't that popular. Sure, it has its fans, but I don't think that there's enough of them to support a widespread DVD release. What Disney should do is just print a limited number of copies of any future sets, and make it so that you have to order them directly from them. This way the fans will still be pleased, and then they won't have to worry about losing money in the process.

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Well, with TV shows on DVD, it's kind of a hard thing to advertise. I mean, unless it's a major title (Seinfeld comes to mind), it's pretty much just gonna be the hardcore fans that will be eagerly awaiting to buy these. And the thing about them is, they most likely already know about these releases through places like http://www.tvshowsondvd.com or respective fansites for their shows. Because of this, most companies probably figure that your average joe consumer will eventually hear about it by either word of mouth or by just seeing it on the shelf one day. They most likely figure that they are already possibly losing money just by releasing the product, so why waste any more money on advertising when most of their target audience already knows about it.

That's the thing though, if people really cared that much about one of their favorite shows, they would keep looking out for it. I mean, the site I linked above even has a feature that lets you tell them what shows you want to see on DVD, and e-mails you when anything about that show is announced or even rumoured. The problem is that it's mainly only the hardcore fans that are gonna take advantage of something like this, since most casual fans don't usually take this kind of time and effort for things like this.

Does this make it right for them not to advertise these shows? Eh, not really, but I can see where they are coming from. A company like Disney would rather advertise one of their movies or hit ABC TV shows like Lost or Desperate Housewives over something like Gargoyles. They figure most Gargoyles fans already know about the DVDs since they've been asking for them for so long. They also know that most casual consumers probably won't care about the show either. But then there's those other TV shows/movies, something they know that the casual consumers might not know about. In this situation, wouldn't you rather spend money advertising a hit show to the larger, less-knowing audience instead of advertising the cult show to the smaller audience that most likely already knows about it?

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Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf

To the people who said that all the hardcore fans -would- know that the DVDs are coming out...well that's all fine and good, but I think you're forgetting all the people who -don't- have an internet connection. It's these people whom Disney should advertise for...how else are they going to know these shows are coming to DVD? They're not going to suddenly go into the 'kids' section to look for the DVD release of a TV show they love in hopes that there will actually be a DVD sitting there on the shelf, especially for a show as old as Gargoyles.

Not to make fun of anyone or anything, but in this day and age, if you can't get access to the internet in any way (friend, school, library), then you probably can't afford the sets to begin with. I mean, even if all you can do most of the time is check your e-mail, you can still have a way of getting this information sent to you, so I really don't see this as an excuse.

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But still, if they were really looking forward to the show on DVD, what's stopping them from typing 'Gargoyles DVD' or something similar into Google or Yahoo? I'm sorry, but I just think that if you really want something like this, you'll find a way to find out about it eventually, even without advertisements for it. I mean, even advertisements aren't foolproof, as there's not always that strong a chance that you read one of the magazines thay advertise it in, or watch one of the channels they advertise it on.

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Gargoyles Season 1 and Season 2, Part 1 are out on DVD. Go buy them now! (Hopefully 1,000 people will actually read this)

So at least there is still a chance that Season 2, Part 2 might come out, but it all just depends on whether enough the first two sets meet some kind of predetermined sales quota. At least the fans will still have something to enjoy in the form of the comic, though, even if the set never gets released (which I personally believe will get released in some shape or form, despite the sales of the previous sets).

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Thats like saying "If you don't like apples, how can you know how to sail a boat?!" I know tons of internet illiterate people who have more DVDs than anyone has any right to. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

Being internet illiterate and not having access to the internet is not even the same thing. Besides, my main point was that anybody who really wanted this had the means to know when it was coming out and such. Way to bring up a month old conversation just to bitch about something.

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Not to mention - way to alienate the people you're trying to pull in, asshole. Don't ever work for a public relations firm - because calling people stupid while trying to sell them something doesn't ever work. I'm sure Greg Wiseman is shaking his fist at you for being as much of a problem as his currently spotty fanbase.

Who was I even calling stupid (seriously, quote an instance when I said someone was stupid)? At least try to make sense when you bitch about something.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Which somehow absolves you of calling the people you want to buy the DVDs as stupid?

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Oh yeah - you didn't call them stupid, you called them poor. Way to bolster your arguement.

Do you even check over what you're about to post before you post it? You still go on to say I call them stupid, yet you then go on to say I didn't call them stupid but poor. What was the point of even saying that first part if you're just gonna nullify it by saying something else?

And you obviously haven't even read the thread, as I've already said that I'm not even a fan of the show, so I could care less if people ultimately buy the DVDs or not. Just because I'm informing people in this thread about things doesn't mean that I actually care myself.

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Way to reply to the thread before me, to reactivate a month old conversation, genius.

I like how I'm actually posting in regards to the main point of thread (which as you can see, the last post was made way less than a month ago), while you basically just came in here to troll an aspect of this thread that was just merely a side topic and hadn't been talked about in over a month, genius.

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