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What a misleading topic title. "Libyan ship's about to illegally enter Israeli waters" would be much more appropriate.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

"Libyan ship's about to illegally enter Israeli waters in order to deliver relief supplies" would be even more appropriate.

Wrong. The "relief supplies" bit is unverified.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Strictly speaking Brady's title is just as accurate as yours, it just doesn't skew to your own views.

Wrong again. Strictly speaking Brady's title is a blatant lie, while mine is the objective truth.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

In Brady's worldview, the RELIEF SHIP is the victim

The victims of what? Of being informed that upon breaking laws they are to face consequences?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

in your worldview the ISRAELI WATERS are the victim of... having... a boat... in it....

Not really. Actually, Israeli citizens are the victims of terrorist attacks committed using the weapons supplied to Palestinian terrorists. And, in case you're wondering, sometimes the weapon supplies are disguised as humanitarian aid.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

It seems to me that last I checked boats could be boarded and their contents inspected

Indeed. That is if they wish to cooperate. When they don't, the only option is to use force.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

but if the Israeli policy toward unverified cargo is to BLOW IT UP

It isn't.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

My favourite distinction in this is that when Palestine does it, it's terrorism. When Israel does it, it's national defense.

The keyword is wrong. I'll fix it. What Palestine does is terrorism. What Israel does is national defense.

It's pretty simple. Randomly killing civilians is terrorism. Preventing that is national defense. Any questions?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

When South Africa did it, it's Apartheid. When Israel does it, it's National Defense.

Did what?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Segregate an entire ethnic group from the minority settler population

UN decisions, War of Independence, etc.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

disenfranchise them

This is a bit confusing. Disenfranchise whom? Are you talking about Palestinians or Israeli Arabs here? The term disenfranchise can't be applied to the first and is untrue about the latter.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

use them as cheap labor

Mutual agreement benefiting both sides.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

treat them as sub-human

How exactly? Elaborate.


Anyway, none of the things you've mentioned is the "it" representing national defense.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

What about the "security" wall with the remote-controlled machineguns? What about Operation Cast Lead? What about the invasion of South Lebanon in 2006?

Now, this is national defense.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

What about the active demolition of Palestinian homes for the purposes of Jewish settlement?

What about putting some effort in your lies by making them more believable? You know, demolition of Palestinian homes "for the purposes of Jewish settlement" doesn't really make much sense. I mean, in theory, why demolish the homes if the purpose is Jewish settlement? Wouldn't Jewish settlement without the "demolition of Palestinian homes" part be much more plausible, economically?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

That et cetera being the Nakba, an active policy of ethnic cleansing that created 750,000 refugees from Mandate Palestine.

Well, given the fact that currently 20% of Israel's population are Arabs, that "policy of ethnic cleansing" doesn't sound quite active. As a matter of a fact the Palestinians left their homes out of fear that such "ethnic cleansing" might take place. Fortunately (unfortunately?), it didn't.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Decades of occupation after wars of Israeli aggression.

Sure, you may call all neighboring Arab states attacking Israel simultaneously with the purpose of completely wiping it out "wars of Israeli aggression". That has zero effect on reality.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

A border wall which is only years old. Military checkpoints which stifle travel and make commerce next to impossible. Active economic policies which favor Israeli farmers over Gazans and West Bank farmers. The settlement of most of the quality land in the West Bank and the unilateral annexation of East Jerusalem, and et cetera and et cetera.

You start a war. You lose it. What do you expect?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Except for the fact that Palestinians don't have a state

Except for the fact this "fact" of yours isn't really a fact, since Palestinians do have a state. Just not an independent one (yet).

Originally Posted by Bradylama

and aren't granted voting rights in Israel

There are plenty of obvious reasons for that. You know, like Palestinians not officially recognizing the state of Israel, wishing for complete destruction of state of Israel, not really being a part of Israel, etc. Believe it or not, racism isn't one of those reasons. Besides, they are granted voting rights in Palestine.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Except you don't even use Palestinians as labor in Israel anymore.

Is this for the better or the worse? Besides, we still do. Just in a much more limited quantity. For safety reasons.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

You'd rather ship in guest workers from India or Turkey

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!! Turkey? TURKEY?! Really? We'd rather not. Now, Thailand or Philippines, that's another story. They're disciplined, cheap and don't blow themselves up in heavily crowded places. Almost perfect.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Facing the constant indignities of an occupation so dystopian it would seem nightmarish.

Elaborate.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

So cruel it would make the Nazis blush.

Nah, it wouldn't. To say such things you must know very little about very little, be a Jew hater, or, most likely, both.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

I mean, you both get that no one believes either of your ridiculous propaganda, right?

Wrong.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Every time I read Brady's posts, I want to punch a palestinian

Originally Posted by Bradylama

You'd punch a Palestinian over my posts? Fuck you. Fuck you forever.

Why don't you read a fucking book before you say you're going to punch a person in the face who lives in some of the worst conditions in the developed world due to conditions dictated by one of the largest military juggernauts ever.

1) A Palestinian is not a person who lives in some of the worst conditions in the developed world due to conditions dictated by one of the largest military juggernauts ever.
2) Israel is too small to qualify as "one of the largest military juggernauts ever".

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Once you're accused of antisemitism for criticizing the policies of Israel you've already won.

You know, this "post some bullshit about Israel and wait for someone to say that you hate Jews" game you're playing is really stupid. OK, we have a winner. Now what?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

The Nazis would be proud that they gave birth to a nation which understands the concept of Lebensraum.

Wait, the Nazis gave birth to a nation? Really? Which nation is that?

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