[] Gym Battlers Open

About this tournament:

Hey - I just saw this thread and got interested in it. I would be interested in joining the next tournament, but unfortunately I don't have Nintendo DS or Pokemon Pearl yet. I'm behind on video games because I decided to spend all my time to actually completing all the video games I had from the last generation of video games. The most technologically advanced piece of hardware I have is a thin PS2.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Attention!
One more thing, everybody. I can't keep this tournament going forever so I'm posting a deadline for all those slackers. You have until June 15th (yes, that is a Sunday) to finish your matches. Point totals on that day will be finalized and the top four will then be determined.
If you don't have time or just too busy, tell me! I'll do my best to arrange something otherwise I recommend that you forfeit and wait until the next tournament.

Since today is the deadline, I made a little chart for everyone to see, to make it easier on everybody to see where people stand.

Defense number means the difficulty of the defending Pokemon from the attacker's ongoing assault. The higher the number, the harder it is. The offense number is how easy it is for the attacking Pokemon to damage the defending Pokemon. The higher the number, the easier it is.

The natural tensity number is the defense number minus the offense number. This shows the average difficulty of winning or losing a fight. If the number is positive, it means the difficulty was harder than normal, while if the number is negative, it means the difficulty was easier than normal.

Then I show the official score based off of the Kairyu's rules, and at the bottom shows who is moving to the final four to compete.

I took the time after that to develop a 'neutralized score' which calculates both the official score and the natural tensity number to project a score based off of fairness to Pokemon with less advantages this time around. Like with the official score, at the bottom I calculated the neutralized top four of this tournament round.

Since I cannot post images (as I do not have enough posts as of yet), I must provide a link to this chart.

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Kairyu - feel free to use this as you wish. If need be, I will update this to suit any official battles that occur today.

About next tournament:

As for the next tournament - while I cannot enter it yet, I do have some suggestions, since I have played and beaten Pokemon Red, Yellow, Gold, Crystal, and Ruby.

I remember as a kid, playing the official Pokemon card game growing up. Most decks had two types of Pokemon, to make things balanced and to add complexity to the game.

So, I'm proposing a new idea - Gym Leaders with two different types of Pokemon. But there is a catch - each of your Pokemon's primary must be one of those types. The primary type, or type one - is more associated with the Pokemon and the Pokemon usually has more moves of that type.

To make things interesting, instead of randomly deciding who is going to be what, allow everybody to choose their two types individually. First come, first serve. Oh, and if someone calls out, say, Dark/Poison, another person cannot call Poison/Dark. But if someone calls out Dark/Poison, another person could call Dark/Steel. If you call Dark/Steel, all your Pokemon's primaries must be either Dark or Steel, and cannot be all Dark or all Steel. As an added rule, if your two types have at least one Pokemon that is both of them, you must use at least use one of those Pokemon.

To make it fair, use my defense/offense numbers and the natural tensity score to calculate in for the final score, and as of before, have wins worth 2 points, ties 1, and loses 0.

Like before, have up to nine playable Pokemon, but no less than six. You may have two legendary Pokemon, but there are rules you must follow in order to actually use them. The only time you will be able to use a legendary Pokemon is during six Pokemon per team matches (more rules apply here) and tie-breakers.

Matches will go as such: in the first match each gym leader will use six Pokemon each. Both gym leaders may not use his or her legendary Pokemon until the five others have been KO'ed. The second Pokemon match will consist of five Pokemon each. The third match four, the fourth match three, the fifth match two, and the final match just one Pokemon may be used on each side. If the match was an even 3-3, then the game goes into tie-breaker mode, where each gym leader uses one out of the two of their legendary Pokemon to determine the final outcome of the match.

After all this is done, the final score will be calculated and each player will be ranked. If, by chance, two players mysteriously got equal scoring, even after the tensity score was calculated into the final score, then they go into a tie-breaker mode with one of their legendary Pokemon.

To expand on this tournament's final round, the next tournament will feature everybody, not just the top four. If there are nine people in the tournament, it will go like such: rank 1 vs rank 2;rank 3 vs rank 4'; rank 5 vs rank 6; rank 7 will then face either rank 5 or rank 6 in the next round.

There would be time limits to this all, so this doesn't run forever - but depending on how large this gets, it will either expand or contract the deadline dates. Kairyu could probably manage that himself.

And another thing: gym leaders next time around will not be referred to, as an example, the fire/ground gym leader. If someone picks fire/ground, they got to make a name that combines both types into a cool sounding gym leader name.

So - like my ideas? Could they be improved? Or are they just stupid altogether? Feedback and suggestions for the next possible tournament would be appreciated (especially from Kairyu).

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

Holy... That IS a lot to digest. Sounds a little confusing. To be completely honest, all the 'defense numbers' and 'natural tensity' and all that totally fly right over my head. I have no idea what they mean or how they were determined.

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear to what I was actually talking about with defense/offensive numbers, and natural tensity.

Bellow results there is a \ division line between actual and projected. This means actual results are shown horizontally by going up and down through the names. The projected results are shown vertically by going left and right through the names. Another reason there is that division line is to show the difference between the actual results, which are shown with a color, and the projected results (what the odds of winning are, due to weaknesses and strengths of each type of Pokemon), shown with a number.

Take, for example, Crash Landon. He's the psychic gym leader. His Pokemon is good against some types, and bad against others. An example in which his Pokemon are naturally good against would be Sousuke's fighting type Pokemon. If you look at the projected results row and go to Crash Landon, going down from that column you will see Crash Landon's projected results number against Sousuke; a 2. A 2 means he has a good chance of winning, because his Pokemon, psychic type, will be much more likely use psychic attacks that will cause double the damage that it would usually do in a normal situation. Because of this, Crash receives a 2 in that column - and his cumulative offense score increases by 2 as well. In the same instance, Sousuke, being the defendant against those crushing psychic blows to his Pokemon, now has increased his defense score by 2.

Now look at Sousuke's projected results against Crash. His number is only a .5 because his moves only do half the damage they normally do. This correlates to Crash's defense number battling Sousuke being .5, because the difficulty in which defending against Sousuke's attacks has been naturally reduced in half, due to their two types of Pokemon in play.

Look at Crash's row. The defense number on Crash, an 8.5, is the added numbers of all the defending numbers that Crash battled with. Sousuke gave him .5 + DarkMage gave him 1 + Kairyu gave him 1 ... and so on. The higher the defense number, the more naturally difficult the matches are, as you are on the defense on more effective types against your Pokemon.

Now look at Crash's column. The offense number of Crash, an 8, is the added numbers of all the offensive numbers that Crash battled with. Sousuke gave him a 2 + DarkMage gave him a 2 ... and so on. The higher the offense number, the more naturally easier the matches are, as you are on the offense on more effective types fighting against their Pokemon.

Since Crash's defense number is slightly higher than his offense number, his difficulty in matches was slightly above average. Natural tensity number is calculated by simple taking the defense number and subtracting that with the offense number.

Look at this link for more information:

Serebii.net Games - Type MatchUp

I expanded the original chart into this:

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The win ratio is calculating wins divided by total amount of games.

The neutralize win ratio is calculating points total by the neutralize score divided by the total amount of points possible (such as 10 for battling in 5 games).

And finally, the total rank score takes the four previous ranks, official score, neutralize score, win ratio, and neutralize win ratio, and adds up all the ranking numbers from that and produces a new, fair-minded ranking system.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

From your chart, Sane Brain, I'm only finding one aspect of it possibly unfair. Granting absolutely no points to someone who supposedly dominates over a certain matchup doesn't seem right. We only have one battle that is affected by this (Kairyu vs. Black Mage), but making a battle completely pointless to play for one side is a bit much. I dunno. I haven't had a match affected by the scoring on that degree, so I'll leave it up to Kairyu's and Black Mage's discretion.

Actually, there is another battle like this - Crash Landon vs. Chaotic, which is even more dramatic because not only are psychic attacks useless against dark types, but dark type moves are double-effective when attacking a psychic Pokemon.

But actually, the example that you provide is wrong. Since the baseline for all attacks is 1, and every game is worth two points, if Black Mage wins, and he did, he would still gain 1 point for beating Kairyu.

The only two types of Pokemon battles that you could apply your example for would be dark vs. psychic and electric vs. ground. But since there is a near-impossibility for an electric Pokemon to win against ground, or a psychic Pokemon to win against dark (I would really like to know how Crash won against Chaotic), it is only fair that these battles do not count for ground or dark type gym leaders. The odds are so overwhelming against psychic and electric that I would find it hard not to give them extra points for winning against these two types.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

A chart like that would be awfully useful once everyone has done their matches. But the way it stands now the results look a bit lopsided. I think for now I'll just stick with the simple yet effective, "add up all the wins/loss points for each player." And make the placing list from there.

I created the idea of modifying the official point system out of the difficulty of Pokemon types winning based off of my guess that the reason why you didn't allow people to choose their own types was because of too many advantages or disadvantages against certain types of Pokemon.

Results look lopsided? How is that? I attended to make the neutralized score to prevent this thing from happening - since it is more lopsided without the system. The neutralized score system prevents a group of people to be listed as the same against each other. In the official scoring system, four people are tied for forth place, among a tie with two people in third. In the neutralized system, there is only two tied at two different places on the bottom.

Coming from an unbiased source (since I am not an active participant of this tournament), I agree much more with the neutralized scores than the official ones. Most of them aren't even that much different from the original - they just show the advantages and disadvantages that certain Pokemon play in battle. I believe someone is much more skillful if he or she can defeat five out of nine enemies all whose type is strong against his or her type, rather than someone with the same record and defeats Pokemon only average against his or her type. It's a much harder battle with a type disadvantage!

But the neutralized system was pretty easy to do this time around. If the next tournament uses two types of Pokemon, the equations will be much more complex. That's where I come in. I'm simply addicted to math, and doing these kinds of problems. If you accept the neutralized system, Kairyu, I promise I will give you more accurate results regarding the actual skill level of every gym leader that plays in this tournament. In essence, Kairyu, I want you to make me an official unbiased 'referee' of the next tournament.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

As for the next tournament idea. That's not a bad variation (or improvement even) but how will that stop players from all picking combos like Dragon/[insert alternate type here]. Granted there are only so many decent Dual type dragons to choose from but if a person wants a strong sweeper he or she will pick a dragon. So we may get a lack of variation there. Other than that small issue I wouldn't mind participating in a tournament like that.

...

One solution I thought of, but it's a bit far fetched. Is allow people to pick that type combination (ie, dragon/water pokemon) but also impose certain move limits. Something like you can only learn moves that are of that type. So if you pick Normal/Rock you can use moves like Stone Edge and Body Slam. But not Ice Beam :3. Same goes for non-damage moves.

But like I said, it's a little out there and might require a bit of time to prepare for.

The actual number of dragon Pokemon is quite small. Many of them are legendary Pokemon, and both you and I agree on either not allowing them or restricting them so they may only be used to balance things out. There are four fully evolved dragon type 1 Pokemon to choose from that are not legendary.

If this hasn't been made a rule already, it should be. Allow only one Pokemon of a particular species to be put on a roster. In essence, you couldn't have six Dragonites defeat everybody but the ice trainer. (Also - I simply think that dragons are overrated, I personally would not pick them myself if I could participate in this event myself.)

While I do not particularly disagree with the idea of the rule you stated later in the second paragraph, I think these tournaments are becoming excessively ruled by their rules themselves. I think a major skill in Pokemon is the ability to choose Pokemon that can have variation in their attacks - and removing or limiting this would be destroying a core foundation of this skill.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Perhaps a limit on how many times a type could be chosen by any participant would work?

Also, a lottery might help determine who gets to choose first? Naturally, the first person might choose Dragon, because it's a potent type. But if each player has no guarantee of making first pick, then he/she will have to come up with an alternate plan. This might prevent a "OMG DRAGON/GROUND!!" blitz right off the bat.

This tourney had a lot of constrictions, mostly because adhering to one type is in itself restrictive. I'd not like to mire the next one down with a bunch of hard-to-remember rules for the sake of superimposing someone's concept of balance onto the whole thing. If there's going to be imbalances (and it's Pokemon, so that's somewhat inevitable), all players should have access to them, or at least an equal initial opportunity to be the one who benefits most (i.e. how I.C. lucked out with Dragons) from the imbalance.

Excessive rulesmongering takes the fun out of competition.

I don't particularly like the idea of limiting a type that could be chosen, simply because if someone is facing another whose one type is weak against and other type is strong - by limiting the types that could be chosen it would greatly reduce the amount of strategy that both players could use.

I wouldn't mind a lottery to decide who chooses first. I mean, I guess that would make it fair. I'm in agreement with this one. However, I doubt this will make any great impact if there is indeed a choice of two different primary types - as there are over a hundred choices to choose from.

I whole-heartly agree that rules bring fun down, especially if there are a lot of them.

I believe that the sleep-clause this tournament had should be removed for the next tournament. I think this is a major reason why DarkMage lost all five of his battles, because one of the major abilities of bug Pokemon is the ability to sleep other Pokemon. Without this ability, bug Pokemon are bound to get squashed.

Not only are dragon types more restricted to legendary Pokemon, as I stated earlier, but if my system of an official final neutralized score came into effect, it would greatly reduce the advantage that dragon Pokemon have against other types of Pokemon. It would put the calculated effect of dragon's resistance to fire/water/electric/grass attacks into the formula.

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Normal 6v6 Doubles tournament. I don't ever recall doing a doubles tournament here. Or maybe we have, but my memory fails me horribly.

This could be a really neat idea combined with the idea of gym leaders having two primary types of Pokemon. A rule could be in place that states that you must have one of each type of Pokemon in play until you are down to one Pokemon left. Might be a little excessive on the rules side - but it would definitely make things interesting...

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Chaotic

So I win against him once, and lose against him one. What does that equal out to? <_<

I'm guessing that's a ... tie? 1-1, I mean, is technically a tie. So I changed the chart to represent this.

Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

I was Poison not bug. The only one of my Pokemon that had sleep was Vileplume. I lost cause I overestimated the value of some of my Pokemon and didn't take the time to get any Nidos raised for the tournament.

Ah, okay. Still, I think if you are able to use all the other moves that prevent someone from attacking (paralyze, frozen, etc.) then one should be able to use sleep as well. If you can use items, shouldn't you just be able to use an item to cure it, anyways?

Anyways, here is the update from last night's battles.

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Generic Badass

You can't use items; you can only give pokemon hold items before the battle. In this regard though, yes, you can have a pokemon cure itself of status effects by giving it a Lum Berry (a few competitors here have utilized at least one, including myself).

But, if I'm not mistaken, if you give a Pokemon a berry to hold, once that Pokemon uses it, that Pokemon cannot use it again (as it is eaten). So status effects would still be mostly effective, I would think...

Originally Posted by Generic Badass

And as the Bug representative of this tournament, I can assure you that sleep has not been as useful as it should be. This can be attributed to my bad luck, the surprisingly small amount of viable Bug pokemon that can use support strategies well, and the extremely unorthodox setup of the competition.

Another reason not to limit the effectiveness of sleep for the next tournament.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Bleh, lopsided was the wrong word. And I don't think I fully understood the layout. But your last post made much more sense =p

If you have any specific questions at all about the layout of my chart, just ask me.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Oh, of course. No arguing that! The reason I even made the tournament the way it is is because I wanted to do something other than a normal tournament. It kept things interesting and, I think, caused more people to become interested in future tournaments I will eventually setup.

Hopefully it has done just that. Only time will tell...

Originally Posted by Kairyu

I might adopt your score keeping system under the condition you stay active often enough to do so =o. Or at the very least swap IM contact info so we can talk more about this in detail.

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

After I post this, I'll give you my AIM screen name viva PM. If your's isn't kairyugff then give me your's viva PM too so we can communicate about this more effectively.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

You can count on me, sir! Well, at least until the end of summer. After that college begins and I nearly won't have as much time... But I'll definitely try my best.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Hm, just Altaria, Dragonite, Flygon, Garchomp, Kingdra and Salamence if I'm not mistaken. The rest are either legendaries or lower evolution versions of the mentioned Pokemon. Not sure what kind of limits I could impose on players for using the BL variations though. Like what you and Crash already said, too many rules does kill the fun in the game.

Actually I said dragon type 1 Pokemon.

Below is the list of fully evolved dragon Pokemon:

#149 Dragonite (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#230 Kingdra (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#330 Flygon (Type 1 Ground, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#334 Altaria (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#373 Salamence (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#380 Latias (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#381 Latios (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#384 Rayquaza (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying) - Legendary
#445 Garchomp (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Ground)
#483 Dialga (Type 1 Steel, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#484 Palkia (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#487 Giratina (Type 1 Ghost, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Well it was a rule for other tournaments actually. But I decided not to include it this time since some of us were extremely limited on choices. Doesn't look like any of us actually broke the rule anyway. So I'm not too worried about players goofing around by making a team of only Blisseys and Bronzongs =D

That's good, but if you decide next tournament that people can use more than one type of Pokemon, I suggest you do impose the limit, so we don't have people going for the same six Pokemon. Pokemon is about variation and catching six of the same Pokemon defeats the purpose of, 'catching them all', doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Yeah, I know, just brainstorming. I wasn't exactly too keen on the idea either but I want to at least voice it out for everyone to see. But yeah, we could be thinking too hard about this. I wouldn't mind try a "normal" doubles tournament for once. I don't think I've ever been in such a tournament either (not counting the failed Gamestop doubles tournament =/.)

Maybe we are thinking too hard about this ... but in all fairness, all we're trying to do is brainstorm the most creative ideas to have as much fun as possible during these tournament events.

Wow, a lot of matches occurred in one night!

Originally Posted by Kairyu

No problem man. I'll just accumulate the totals anyway and see how everyone placed. Sane Brain missed a few reports so I had to double check! I'll post the results later~ today =D

I got all of 'em now.

To calculate all of this and put it into the system takes some time. When I first plugged in last nights scores, this post you had above wasn't even there. But finally now I'm finished.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

I know it's over and all, but some people [ie: me vs Generic] just didn't get to battle. What are you going to do for the scoring there? Just give both parties a 0? I'd suggest 'awarding' a draw, but I don't know. It's up to you; I'm just curious~

Ah - look at my chart then. The first two calculates the disadvantage of not playing all of your potential battles while the second two doesn't. The fifth calculated number is the added rank number of all four - so for example, since Crash Landon got #1 on all four previous ranks, he would get a score of 4 - the lower the score the better - and in all fairness, this balances everything out. Let me give you an example.

Black Mage for the longest time had two wins. Under the system Kairyu made, he would be around last place, but he never lost! So I calculated win ratios as well to balance it out. However, winning two matches is not as great as winning eight, as well, so it wouldn't be fair to calculate him in first place just because he won two battles. This takes in both sides of the argument and gives a fair prediction on both sides as to whom the real four best trainers are.

Here are the results! (If I'm missing something please tell me now so I can fix it)

Spoiler:

*I'm also requesting these results to be edited on the first post of this thread.*

Total amount of battles actual: 38
merging the two between dark and fire type gym leaders
Total amount of battles potential: 45
In total, there was only 7 battles missed. Oh well.
It only looks like more in the chart because in the chart every battle is two squares

Soon I will have the chart for the final four up, once Kairyu makes up a decision on who is going to be the top four.

Three are set in stone:
1) Crash Landon - the Psychic Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Identity Crisis - the Dragon Pokemon Gym Leader
3) Josiah - the Normal Pokemon Gym Leader

And the potential candidates for the forth are:
1) Black Mage - the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Kairyu - the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader
3) radcliff13 - the Fire Pokemon Gym Leader

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Okay, both Kairyu and I have drawn out a plan to deal with the tie for forth place.

Kairyu, the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader will face off against Black Mage, the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader, in a one 6 vs 6 Pokemon battle. Either Kairyu or Black Mage will post the results and from there I will calculate who will go on to face radcliff13 in the same style to earn that forth place title.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Oh, no.

This is what I feared.

The secret rules that I did not tell you two implied the number of KO's with type advantage.

See, ground attacks does twice the amount of damage they would normally do on fire Pokemon. Since Kairyu is the ground Pokemon gym leader, he has the most amount of ground attacks. Fire attacks do not have this advantage; they only do what is normal for their attacks to do, on ground Pokemon. And since radcliff13 is the fire gym leader, he has the most amount of fire attacks.

My system was set-up so every KO was worth 1 point. Since Kairyu had the advantage of his Pokemon doing double the damage they would normally do, I had to take that into account into the scoring; I did this by reducing the amount of points he gets per KO in half. Therefore, Kairyu would receive only a half of a point for every KO, while radcliff13 would still retain a point per KO.

Since Kairyu KO'ed all six of radcliff13 Pokemon, he earns three points, but since radcliff13 KO'ed three of the six Kairyu had, he earns three points as well.

In other words - it's a stalemate.

Therefore, there must be an ultimate tie-breaker. Sudden KO showdown.

Kairyu will select one of his Pokemon to face against radcliff13, but radcliff13 will select two of his Pokemon to face against Kairyu. (Assuming that this is possible) And the rules are clear this time: whoever wins this match goes on to the next round.

Good luck to both of you!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Frankly, I think your system is unnecessarily complex and moronically pedantic. "Secret rules" my ass. You've managed to convert something fun into a cesspool of by-laws and bureaucracy.

Kairyu won. radcliff knew he had the type disadvantage going in. Luck of the draw. Let's not bog things down with half-points and similar garbage.

If I had known this would have been a tie, I would suggested a two on one match to Kairyu and discarded the secret rules to begin with.

I was just trying to keep things fair. If you think that goal is unnecessary - or garbage, and proceed this tournament on without a fair fight, then we are not representing a tournament that is deciding who is truly the best Pokemon gym leader.

This is especially so with radcliff13. Many of his loses came before he even had his full team ready to battle. And after that, he started winning.

Crash, you faced against Chaotic and Sousuke, and won both. Tell me, did it take more skill and planning to defeat Chaotic than it did to defeat Sousuke? Was Chaotic harder to beat because of his type rather than his skill? If you can honestly say no to both of these questions, I will concede to your point.

However, neither you or I is the creator of this tournament. Ultimately the decision goes to Kairyu.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Identity Crisis

So... why did the rules need to be a secret to begin with? If you planned on giving radcliff13 a handicap, what exactly was preventing you from telling Kairyu and radcliff13 about it up front?

I don't know ... I just thought that telling them the rules would have prevented a 'normal' battle between the two.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

Secret Rules? Bah. I totally agree with Crash here--even though I wasn't part of this round in the tournament, I think that having this 'half-point' idea is totally unfair. Just because Kairyu had the type advantage doesn't mean he should have a handicap--he was assigned that type by luck of the draw.

I hope you're prepared for the average imbalance of the game mechanics the next go-around (if you decide to enter).

Originally Posted by Josiah

You know, in theory it could be argued that Crash or Icy have the same advantage because their respective types have their fair share of really heavy hitters without necessarily having to be "super effective" against whoever they battle. Not that I want to lower their scores; I'm happy where I am, I'm just saying.

Yeah, Kairyu suggested something to me about base stats. While dragon has some heavy hitters, other types have more variety of Pokemon. The more variety, the more TMs can be used, among other things. Would have someone else been so successful with dragon/psychic types as Crash and Identity were? I honestly cannot say.

Originally Posted by Josiah

And radcliff did have one way of getting around that ground weakness: his Charizard. I learned the hard way trying to EQ him when he switched out to that one. Wouldn't Kairyu technically get a full point for KOing a Charizard since, unless he had Gravity somewhere ( ), radcliff's Charizard would be completely immune to ground attacks?

An idea had occurred to me that Kairyu and radcliff13 would tell me their Pokemon viva PM before battle so I could evaluate it further - but that would have really complicated things.

Originally Posted by Josiah

Anywho, since this is all more or less overwith, I figure I could post up my team if people were curious.

Josiah's Normal Gym Team:

Spoiler:

Porygon-Z (The one Icy called "Sir Kills-A-Lot")
Togekiss (The other "Sir Kills-A-Lot")
Tauros
Blissey
Slaking
Dodrio


Alternates:
Bibarel
Girafarig
Spinda

They are for the most part listed in the order of most used to least used. Porygon-Z and Togekiss were about equal in that regard.

Nice Pokemon, Josiah. Don't think I could pick better ones myself.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Wait, that was your secret rule? And now you want me to go 2 against 1 against radcliff's pokemon? Going by a score set based on "projected" type advantages and disadvantages is one thing. Basing it on the number of pokemon you can use is another. It's not always correct to assume that. Think about it, would it not be unfair if me and Rad agreed to battle under those conditions? I may have the attack advantage with ground attacks but it's not impossible for Rad to avoid ._.
Coupled with his speed advantage and a flying type, I can see myself already taking a loss that way.

*sigh* I guess you're right.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Sigh, it's kind of odd that I'm both a player and coordinator of this tournament. I really wish it wouldn't have to come to this.

I'll talk to you more about this in private, either through AIM or PMing here.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Personally, and I think I speak for most of the players involved in this thread. We need to end it already. We have our data, the top 4 placing and I did win the tiebreaker decision despite me having an attack advantage against fire. Besides, shouldn't the victory itself count for more rather than the amount of pokemon KO'd?

I guess you're right. It's been over a month. But there have been reasons to why this tournament took so long. People didn't know how to prepare until they knew what their type was. If you could have used any type I have no doubt in my mind this tournament would have ended already.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

For a non-official tournament it is a bit complex. Remember we're just doing this for fun.
Honestly, we're pretending to fight gym leader style. This puts us at huge disadvantages at times (look at DarkMageOzzie's predicament.) And in other times it gives certain players an edge over someone else. None of it was done on purpose since the selection process was random. And in my opinion that was the fun of it. Everyone should have known beforehand that you may not get the most useful type. It's really a test of how resourceful you are with pokemon.

Anyway, I'll stand by my decision and agree that the top four place is:
Crash
Icy
Josiah
me

Okay. Check this post later for a new chart.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

So ... the top four ISN'T going to battle to see who's the best? Okay .... then what was the point of determining forth place in that case, anyways? >_> I REALLY disagree with you ending the tournament like this, but if that's what you want, then so be it.

Expect a PM soon, Kairyu.

(BTW, I'm a guy)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I like Sousuke's idea. I have a feeling that the other six couldn't beat all four in a row like that, but that's my prediction. I mean, Crash won against Chaotic.

Originally Posted by Josiah

There was a lot of battling going on, and after a while we can get a bit tired of it. And then it's not really "fun" anymore, it's "work". We've had our fun, and even learned something from it.

It's funny because all I suggested was doing three battles (the original idea that Kairyu had to begin with), none of which you would be involved in. But Sousuke's idea would - if you wanted to be, "champion". Personally, I think there could be more than one champion without the need to argue who's best after that.

Besides, preparing for a tournament like this is much more work in the end than battling in it (unless you happen to have six Pokemon ready to battle already).

I'm sorry for being intrusive, Crash. You're right... But hopefully I can participate in the ideas and planning without actually battling in the next tournament, since I don't have a Nintendo DS or Pokemon Pearl.

It's ironic. I was suggesting things because I thought that this would be the "work" part, and by suggesting things I would take the workload off of the active participants.

I think you are being overly-critical about what I was trying to do, Crash. I thought that being more fair and determining who the winner would be would make it funner. After all, you play Pokemon to win the battles and when you win the game, you get a sense of accomplishment, don't you? Despite your negative twist on all my exploits to this tournament, Crash, I was only trying my best to do a positive thing, so don't act like I'm some kind of enemy.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Let's not make this thread a personal attack on me, okay? If you have something to say to me that has nothing to do with this topic, I suggest you do it in the PM system.

My original intention upon entering this thread was creating a system that would calculate the overall strengths and weaknesses of each Pokemon type everybody had to face to produce a score that would make it so people would presumably not be tied in points when the final round began - simply to make less battles. However, it seems that my efforts did not come out the way I expected - as ties happened on both fronts. It made the problem worse. So I'll admit that was my fault. I'm sorry, okay?

I was not trying in any way to be superior to anyone in this thread. In http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/qu...order-fit.html I'll admit I was acting superior, but really I just don't think you considered all possibilities when it came to that question, Deni. I promise I will have a real post in that thread throughly detailing my position on that topic, but it will be a long post. I guess when I think about questions like those, I consider all possibilities and I analyze everything to the extreme, and in the result I spend many hours writing one post. But it's quality that counts.

I will not try to impose any change to any tournament without consulting everybody first. And I will not try to change any tournament that I was not involved with in the beginning. I learned my lesson.

Originally Posted by Identity Crisis

There are already some clear results for who earned what place. I don't see the need to have Kairyu prolong the tournament if nobody participating feels up for it. It's not like there's anything at stake.

Well ... have you considered the situation between yourself and Crash? Crash came first place in everything, because he won every match, but you. And you are in second place. I ... just ... think there should be one final epic match between you two to find out who is really the best.

Originally Posted by Identity Crisis

The reason I support the Elite Four idea is that I'll be facing against one normally diverse team per player.

Oooohhhhh.... Disregard what I said earlier, then. This idea is awesome.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

So, if I'm getting this right, Crash is basically proposing a round robin tournament, similar to the last tournament, only this time everybody drafts their Pokemon and faces each other three times instead of five?

I really like your system, Crash. I’ve tried to conceptualize something fairer, but I haven’t been able to. I think having a visible draft would make people think more, and have real strategy, much more so than a hidden one. The only way I can think of making a hidden draft work would be having someone who is neutral (like me) being the system of information. Everybody would privately contact me, probably through PM, to tell me their selections. However, as you could imagine this would definitely become cumbersome after awhile, and would take way too much time in the end.

One thing I’m wondering about is how much time we should give processes to occur. We first have to get people enlisted, which will probably be a week or two. Then there has to be the draft itself, but what happens if someone becomes inactive in the process of drafting? Should we wait until they become active again? Maybe we should go through time limits to how much time you are given to draft your Pokemon once it is your turn. We may need to also have a deadline for battles to occur after the drafting process.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

If participants are agreeable, Sane Brain may calculate and maintain the scoring should he wish. He has the zeal, and as long as people understand the modifiers he uses, I see no problems.
Once all players have battled each other, the winner shall be the person with the highest win percentage. In the case of ties, each player's KO'd Pokemon will serve as the tiebreaking statistic.

I totally agree with the second paragraph. As for individual matches themselves, I have thought up of and created a system to work by.

Every Pokemon has base statistics. The easiest for me to remember is Mew because Mew is 100 on all six stats. Mew has a total base statistic of 600 then. These statistics would convert to points. So KO’ing Mew would be worth 600 ‘points’. Whoever has the most points by the end of the third match is the winner.

You may think that the higher-number drafters may be screwed in this system, since their Pokemon will probably have much higher statistics (and be less cohesive), but in reality if you take almost any fully evolved Pokemon the difference between the amount of points each one’s worth are not that noticeably different.

For example, Dragonite will probably be drafted first. My favorite Pokemon is Bellossom. Most people would think that Dragonite is much stronger than Bellossom, and Bellossom probably will not even be drafted in this tournament. However, if you look at each Pokemon’s statistics:

Dragonite: 91 HP, 134 Attack, 95 Defense, 100 Special Attack, 100 Special Defense, 80 Speed, it adds up to 600.

Bellossom: 75 HP, 80 Attack, 85 Defense, 90 Special Attack, 100 Special Defense, 50 Speed, it adds up to 480.

In other words, KO’ing a Bellossom would be worth 80% that of KO’ing a Dragonite.

Of course, if we did agree to this system, everybody would have to post what Pokemon of theirs got KO’ed and how many times they were KO’ed. If this is too cumbersome let me know so I conceptualize a new system to work by.

NinjaguyDan’s idea sounds interesting … but I think whether the matches be duel or single should be up to the people playing the battle.

I request that I be the one to make the thread for the next tournament. It will include every approved idea that we have in this thread. I will not do any “secret rules”, or try to develop any new rules without the consent of the participants. That’s a promise.

What I can also promise, if I become the thread-maker for the next tournament, is my neutrality, and fairness to the rules we come to consent by. Also, if I’m the thread maker, then the first post can be the starting point for anyone to come and see up-to-the-day results of everything that’s occurring. This includes drafting, battle results, and overall tournament results continually being updated on the spot.

If you accept my points system, I will make a chart with all the Pokemon and how many points their KO is worth. This chart will be continually updated when Pokemon are drafted, and as well I will make a chart showing the Pokemon drafted, and by whom, to reduce the clutter it would take to look throughout the entire thread.

In other words, I will do anything within my power to make it easier for the participants (and spectators) to actively engage themselves in this fun activity.

So, do people agree to my idea? If so, I’ll design the thread now and post it when everybody thinks it’s time to post it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I've been thinking about this draft crucially, and I believe I have discovered the best way of doing it.

When Crash initially purposed the idea, I assumed that people would post their selections in a future thread. I did not even phantom the idea of using PMs until Kairyu suggested having a private draft. When I posted my idea of using PMs, I thought it would be like having each person individually give me their selections one-at-a-time, and this would obviously take a long time. (I also did not considered using a chat room since I had high doubts people could actually all be there at once)

I have then since concluded that it would be much more effective in a private system if everybody told me in a PM their first three selections first (six for the last person), and then I could tell people individually, “You can’t use *insert Pokemon name here* because it has been taken, please make another selection.” And this would repeat until everybody had chosen all their Pokemon. However, I found this idea potentially taking a long time. Plus, I think using a public system would be much more beneficial to using strategy based on what Crash said earlier.

Then I formulated a public system that I believe would be the best way of this draft to operate under by. Crash suggested that people should already have their selections in mind before the draft starts. I will take it further than that; everybody participating in the draft would have to PM me their top choices (at least nine), in order from the most desired to the least desired. Then, the first person would post his or her three selections, and I would cross those three selections off his or her list. The next person would do this as well, etc, etc. However, if there is an individual who takes longer than 12 hours to make a selection, I would then use their own list they gave me through the PM he or she gave me to claim his or her three most desired Pokemon on that list. At any one time can a person change their most desired Pokemon by PMing me. This way, people could, ‘queue’ their top choices and be involved even if they can’t make the 12-hour limit.

Kairyu, I do like your ideas for the time restraints, except for the drafting phase. Three days? If this tournament gets as many people as the last one did (10), pretty much no matter what you do, it’s going to take more than three days to do the draft.

I believe there are two types of time restrictions. Time restrictions that involve the number of players the tournament has, and the time restrictions that don’t involve the number of players the tournament has.

For example, posting in a thread, saying you want to be part of a tournament does not involve the number of players the tournament has. Right now this can be a set limit. And I agree with Kairyu’s suggestion of allowing potential players one week to sign up.

However, Kairyu then suggests a three day limit on the drafting process. The drafting process, unlike the first part, does involve the number of players the tournament has. If there were only three people in the next tournament, the time it would take them to draft their Pokemon would be significantly shorter than if there were fifteen people. This is why I believe it is necessary not to limit the time of the entire process, but rather limit the time it takes for each individual person to make his or her selection. For example, if there are ten people in the next tournament, and the 12-hour limit was the rule, then the absolute time limit of the drafting process would be nine and a half days. But this does not mean it would take nine and half days to do this process – if the people drafting make their selections faster than this, it could become be a very fast process. The new time limit always comes after the last person made their selection. If there are a lot of people absent, this could lead to me sleeping at very odd hours I will admit. But it’s the sacrifice I’ll have to make to keep this tournament afloat.

The third part of the tournament, preparing the actual team, is like the first part. It does not involve how many people are in the tournament. Therefore, it should be a week to a week and a half, as Kairyu suggested. I completely agree with him there.

This leads to the last process, the actual battling itself. It is like the second part as it depends on the amount of people battling each other. I’m not sure whether we should even have a definite date about this, but I purpose having a 1.5 times modifier per player. So if there were 2 people in the tournament, the amount of days they would have to battle would be 3.

Of course, all of this is open to debate and such. If people are in approval of my specific public drafting idea, I will make a post as soon as possible containing what would be in the thread. From there we can have our final discussions, and from that I can post the actual thread and have this tournament up and running.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Sane Brain goes crazy from consulting all his flow charts.

Hahaha. Very funny, Crash.

So the only real difference between Crash's idea for the tournament and mine is that Crash would have a public draft with no queue and a 24-hour limit, instead of a 12-hour limit with a queue. And that matches would be decided upon who won two out of the three rounds, instead of using my points system.

And the only real difference between Kairyu's idea for the tournament and mine is he would do a private draft instead of a public one; but both of our ideal private drafting processes are the same.

But I'm not sure if Crash still wants to do his exact version, or if he likes my version of the draft more. His last post said envisioned.

I've already stated the reasons why I would prefer a public draft. I would prefer using a queue system because I think that's fairer to the people who have to be away for more than a day from their computers, for various reasons. And just because their away from their computers for an entire day doesn't mean they won't be available during the battle process.

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Maybe I'm just slow, just being silly, or took an early swig of Crash's punch and something was in it, but this is a 6v6 tournament, correct?

To answer your question, Chaotic, every match will be composed of three rounds. The first round will be a 6v6, while the second and third rounds will be 3v3.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

I'm convinced with Crash's idea. I can't beat pie. So, when can we start? =D

I'll be finished with the thread later this evening. I will post it as a spoiler in this thread for everybody to review before making any final touches, and then the final draft (pun intended) of the thread will be created shortly thereafter. So probably before Friday.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I would like to say thanks to Kairyu for helping me work out the kinks to this tournament. Kairyu suggested that the thread be officially posted sometime later today. I'm not finished with this, but I probably will be by the end of the day. But it's mostly completed. Have a look. =D

Pokemon Draft Tournament Version 0.9 Beta:

Prefix: Tournament Title: Pokemon Draft Tournament

Welcome to the best Pokemon tournament ever! To understand how this tournament will work, you must learn the four stages of this tournament. The stages go in this order: signing up, drafting, preparation, and battle.

To understand why this is the best Pokemon tournament ever, one must know the way this tournament is set up. I will attempt to do this by explaining each stage of the tournament throughly. To understand the tournament in its entirety, you must read through all four stages.

Stage 1: Signing Up

Signing up is as simple as declaring your interest in doing so in this thread, before the deadline to sign up is over.

The deadline to sign up is Wednesday, July 2nd, at 9:00 PM.

Example:

Roster of participants in chronological order:

1) Kairyu
2) Crash Landon
etc...

Hint: After you have signed up, it is strongly recommended that you pan out your thoughts as to which Pokemon you'd want to draft.

Stage 2: Drafting

From the roster of participants I will use ChocoDecide to decide the fate of everybody's placing. I will plug in each name, follow by a comma, and let ChocoDecide decide who drafts their Pokemon first. After this, I will then eliminate their name from the list and continue with this process until everybody has been selected.

Example:

The order in which participants will draft:

1) Crash Landon
2) Kairyu
3) etc...

The participants upon this order will then draft their Pokemon three at a time. The last person will then subsequently draft all six of his of her Pokemon at once. The order will then be reversed and continued on from there. Participants who have the opportunity to choose first should then have the strongest Pokemon, but the players who choose last will have the most cohesive teams.

There are rules to which Pokemon you are allowed to choose in the tournament; legendary Pokemon and Wobbuffet are banned, as they give out unfair advantages. Below are your potential Pokemon draftees in order followed by their point value (which will be explained later).

Potential Pokemon draftees:

First-Generation Pokemon:
001 Bulbasaur
002 Ivysaur
003 Venusaur
004 Charmander
005 Charmeleon
006 Charizard
007 Squirtle
008 Wartortle
009 Blastoise
010 Caterpie
011 Metapod
012 Butterfree
013 Weedle
014 Kakuna
015 Beedrill
016 Pidgey
017 Pidgeotto
018 Pidgeot
019 Rattata
020 Raticate
021 Spearow
022 Fearow
023 Ekans
024 Arbok
025 Pikachu
026 Raichu
027 Sandshrew
028 Sandslash
029 Nidoran♀
030 Nidorina
031 Nidoqueen
032 Nidoran♂
033 Nidorino
034 Nidoking
035 Clefairy
036 Clefable
037 Vulpix
038 Ninetales
039 Jigglypuff
040 Wigglytuff
041 Zubat
042 Golbat
043 Oddish
044 Gloom
045 Vileplume
046 Paras
047 Parasect
048 Venonat
049 Venomoth
050 Diglett
051 Dugtrio
052 Meowth
053 Persian
054 Psyduck
055 Golduck
056 Mankey
057 Primeape
058 Growlithe
059 Arcanine
060 Poliwag
061 Poliwhirl
062 Poliwrath
063 Abra
064 Kadabra
065 Alakazam
066 Machop
067 Machoke
068 Machamp
069 Bellsprout
070 Weepinbell
071 Victreebel
072 Tentacool
073 Tentacruel
074 Geodude
075 Graveler
076 Golem
077 Ponyta
078 Rapidash
079 Slowpoke
080 Slowbro
081 Magnemite
082 Magneton
083 Farfetch'd
084 Doduo
085 Dodrio
086 Seel
087 Dewgong
088 Grimer
089 Muk
090 Shellder
091 Cloyster
092 Gastly
093 Haunter
094 Gengar
095 Onix
096 Drowzee
097 Hypno
098 Krabby
099 Kingler
100 Voltorb
101 Electrode
102 Exeggcute
103 Exeggutor
104 Cubone
105 Marowak
106 Hitmonlee
107 Hitmonchan
108 Lickitung
109 Koffing
110 Weezing
111 Rhyhorn
112 Rhydon
113 Chansey
114 Tangela
115 Kangaskhan
116 Horsea
117 Seadra
118 Goldeen
119 Seaking
120 Staryu
121 Starmie
122 Mr. Mime
123 Scyther
124 Jynx
125 Electabuzz
126 Magmar
127 Pinsir
128 Tauros
129 Magikarp
130 Gyarados
131 Lapras
132 Ditto
133 Eevee
134 Vaporeon
135 Jolteon
136 Flareon
137 Porygon
138 Omanyte
139 Omastar
140 Kabuto
141 Kabutops
142 Aerodactyl
143 Snorlax
144 Articuno
145 Zapdos
146 Moltres
147 Dratini
148 Dragonair
149 Dragonite
150 Mewtwo
151 Mew

Second-Generation Pokemon:
152 Chikorita
153 Bayleef
154 Meganium
155 Cyndaquil
156 Quilava
157 Typhlosion
158 Totodile
159 Croconaw
160 Feraligatr
161 Sentret
162 Furret
163 Hoothoot
164 Noctowl
165 Ledyba
166 Ledian
167 Spinarak
168 Ariados
169 Crobat
170 Chinchou
171 Lanturn
172 Pichu
173 Cleffa
174 Igglybuff
175 Togepi
176 Togetic
177 Natu
178 Xatu
179 Mareep
180 Flaaffy
181 Ampharos
182 Bellossom
183 Marill
184 Azumarill
185 Sudowoodo
186 Politoed
187 Hoppip
188 Skiploom
189 Jumpluff
190 Aipom
191 Sunkern
192 Sunflora
193 Yanma
194 Wooper
195 Quagsire
196 Espeon
197 Umbreon
198 Murkrow
199 Slowking
200 Misdreavus
201 Unown
202 Wobbuffet
203 Girafarig
204 Pineco
205 Forretress
206 Dunsparce
207 Gligar
208 Steelix
209 Snubbull
210 Granbull
211 Qwilfish
212 Scizor
213 Shuckle
214 Heracross
215 Sneasel
216 Teddiursa
217 Ursaring
218 Slugma
219 Magcargo
220 Swinub
221 Piloswine
222 Corsola
223 Remoraid
224 Octillery
225 Delibird
226 Mantine
227 Skarmory
228 Houndour
229 Houndoom
230 Kingdra
231 Phanpy
232 Donphan
233 Porygon2
234 Stantler
235 Smeargle
236 Tyrogue
237 Hitmontop
238 Smoochum
239 Elekid
240 Magby
241 Miltank
242 Blissey
243 Raikou
244 Entei
245 Suicune
246 Larvitar
247 Pupitar
248 Tyranitar
249 Lugia
250 Ho-Oh
251 Celebi

Third-Generation Pokemon:
252 Treecko
253 Grovyle
254 Sceptile
255 Torchic
256 Combusken
257 Blaziken
258 Mudkip
259 Marshtomp
260 Swampert
261 Poochyena
262 Mightyena
263 Zigzagoon
264 Linoone
265 Wurmple
266 Silcoon
267 Beautifly
268 Cascoon
269 Dustox
270 Lotad
271 Lombre
272 Ludicolo
273 Seedot
274 Nuzleaf
275 Shiftry
276 Taillow
277 Swellow
278 Wingull
279 Pelipper
280 Ralts
281 Kirlia
282 Gardevoir
283 Surskit
284 Masquerain
285 Shroomish
286 Breloom
287 Slakoth
288 Vigoroth
289 Slaking
290 Nincada
291 Ninjask
292 Shedinja
293 Whismur
294 Loudred
295 Exploud
296 Makuhita
297 Hariyama
298 Azurill
299 Nosepass
300 Skitty
301 Delcatty
302 Sableye
303 Mawile
304 Aron
305 Lairon
306 Aggron
307 Meditite
308 Medicham
309 Electrike
310 Manectric
311 Plusle
312 Minun
313 Volbeat
314 Illumise
315 Roselia
316 Gulpin
317 Swalot
318 Carvanha
319 Sharpedo
320 Wailmer
321 Wailord
322 Numel
323 Camerupt
324 Torkoal
325 Spoink
326 Grumpig
327 Spinda
328 Trapinch
329 Vibrava
330 Flygon
331 Cacnea
332 Cacturne
333 Swablu
334 Altaria
335 Zangoose
336 Seviper
337 Lunatone
338 Solrock
339 Barboach
340 Whiscash
341 Corphish
342 Crawdaunt
343 Baltoy
344 Claydol
345 Lileep
346 Cradily
347 Anorith
348 Armaldo
349 Feebas
350 Milotic
351 Castform
352 Kecleon
353 Shuppet
354 Banette
355 Duskull
356 Dusclops
357 Tropius
358 Chimecho
359 Absol
360 Wynaut
361 Snorunt
362 Glalie
363 Spheal
364 Sealeo
365 Walrein
366 Clamperl
367 Huntail
368 Gorebyss
369 Relicanth
370 Luvdisc
371 Bagon
372 Shelgon
373 Salamence
374 Beldum
375 Metang
376 Metagross
377 Regirock
378 Regice
379 Registeel
380 Latias
381 Latios
382 Kyogre
383 Groudon
384 Rayquaza
385 Jirachi
386 Deoxys

Forth-Generation Pokemon:
387 Turtwig
388 Grotle
389 Torterra
390 Chimchar
391 Monferno
392 Infernape
393 Piplup
394 Prinplup
395 Empoleon
396 Starly
397 Staravia
398 Staraptor
399 Bidoof
400 Bibarel
401 Kricketot
402 Kricketune
403 Shinx
404 Luxio
405 Luxray
406 Budew
407 Roserade
408 Cranidos
409 Rampardos
410 Shieldon
411 Bastiodon
412 Burmy
413 Wormadam
414 Mothim
415 Combee
416 Vespiquen
417 Pachirisu
418 Buizel
419 Floatzel
420 Cherubi
421 Cherrim
422 Shellos
423 Gastrodon
424 Ambipom
425 Drifloon
426 Drifblim
427 Buneary
428 Lopunny
429 Mismagius
430 Honchkrow
431 Glameow
432 Purugly
433 Chingling
434 Stunky
435 Skuntank
436 Bronzor
437 Bronzong
438 Bonsly
439 Mime Jr.
440 Happiny
441 Chatot
442 Spiritomb
443 Gible
444 Gabite
445 Garchomp
446 Munchlax
447 Riolu
448 Lucario
449 Hippopotas
450 Hippowdon
451 Skorupi
452 Drapion
453 Croagunk
454 Toxicroak
455 Carnivine
456 Finneon
457 Lumineon
458 Mantyke
459 Snover
460 Abomasnow
461 Weavile
462 Magnezone
463 Lickilicky
464 Rhyperior
465 Tangrowth
466 Electivire
467 Magmortar
468 Togekiss
469 Yanmega
470 Leafeon
471 Glaceon
472 Gliscor
473 Mamoswine
474 Porygon-Z
475 Gallade
476 Probopass
477 Dusknoir
478 Froslass
479 Rotom
480 Uxie
481 Mesprit
482 Azelf
483 Dialga
484 Palkia
485 Heatran
486 Regigigas
487 Giratina
488 Cresselia
489 Phione
490 Manaphy
491 Darkrai
492 Shaymin
493 Arceus

(I'll update this list later to show what isn't available and cumulative base stat totals.)

If you already know which Pokemon you want to use for the tournament, but is unsure of which Pokemon have already been drafted, below is the list of Pokemon that have already been drafted and by whom.

Example:

Pokemon Drafted:

Crash Landon
1) Metagross
2) Tyranitar
3) Dragonite

Hint: At any time after you have signed up but before you select all of your draftees, you may submit a, "queue" list of Pokemon to me in a private message, from most desired to least. My recommendation is the more Pokemon you put on that list, the better. At any one time this list may be updated, and as well I will keep my eyes on every queue list that people give me to see if their Pokemon have been chosen so I can cross them off their list. If you happen to not be able to reach the 24-hour limit, then I will use your queue list to make your top three selections, instead of using the default system set up for this tournament.

Stage 3: Preparation

After each player has selected all his or her six Pokemon, it is time to prepare for battle!

The deadline for all players to have his or her Pokemon prepared is July 19th, at 9:00 PM.

But fear not, for players are always willing to trade. If you wish to trade, please post in this thread what you wish to trade. To avoid unnecessary clutter and confusion, I have created a trading nexus for all things coming and going.

Example:

Pokemon Trade:

Pokemon desired:
Metagross (Crash Landon)
Dragonite (Crash Landon)

Pokemon willing to be traded:
Blaziken (Crash Landon)

Hint: Since you only have ten days to prepare for your team, focus on the big picture, such as obtaining the Pokemon you drafted, or getting the most useful TMs you can find. Do not worry about the small things like EV or having the absolute ideal team. Go for the practical.

Stage 4: Battle

This tournament's format is round robin. This means everybody will face each other once. Only the first match will count. Pokemon will automatically be raised to level 100 upon entering the battle. Both move pools adjustments and hold items adjustments will be allowed for this tournament. However, there is a limit to how many times you can use sleep and double team; once per match.

Each match will consist of three rounds. The first round consists of a 6 on 6 battle, while the second and third rounds consists of 3 on 3 battles. Someone must take tabs on who's Pokemon is KOed, what Pokemon they are, and how many times they were KOed. These are essential to figuring out who is the winner of the match. Every Pokemon that you KO is worth the cumulative base stats of that Pokemon, made into a system of "points". For example, Lucario has the base stats 70 HP, 110 Attack, 70 Defense, 115 Special Attack, 70 Special Defense, 90 Speed, all six of these together would be worth 525 "points".

Every battle is worth 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss. If you do not make all your battles by August 2nd, you will not receive any points for the matches you did not play. At 9:00 PM August 2nd the tournament will official be over and the winner will be announced!

Example:

The Official Battle Chart:

(insert chart here]

I'll probably change things around a little bit before I finalize it, but for the most part this is the way I want it to look.

Feedback would be most appreciated.

FELIPE NO

I revised it; it's pretty much done now, and I modified the points system for the two Pokemon the above posters mentioned. However, I disagree with the poster about the two rules of switching move pools and hold items as I believe they add strategy to the game.

Pokemon Draft Tournament Version 1.0 Beta 2:

Prefix: Tournament Title: Pokemon Draft Tournament

Welcome to the best Pokemon tournament ever! To understand how this tournament will work, you must learn the four stages of this tournament. The stages go in this order: signing up, drafting, preparation, and battle.

To understand why this is the best Pokemon tournament ever, one must know the way this tournament is set up. I will attempt to do this by explaining each stage of the tournament throughly. To understand the tournament in its entirety, you must read through all four stages.

As a reminder, be sure to regularly check this post for important updates!

Stage 1: Signing Up

Signing up is as simple as declaring your interest in doing so in this thread, before the deadline to sign up is over.

The deadline to sign up is Thursday, July 3rd, at 9:00 PM Central Time Zone; exactly one week from the day this was posted.

Roster of participants in chronological order:

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Hint: After you have signed up, it is strongly recommended that you pan out your thoughts as to which Pokemon you'd want to draft. Also, this website is your friend.

Stage 2: Drafting

From the roster of participants I will use ChocoDecide to decide the fate of everybody's placing. I will plug in each name, follow by a comma, and let ChocoDecide decide who drafts their Pokemon first. After this, I will then eliminate their name from the list and continue with this process until everybody has been selected.

The order in which participants will draft:

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The participants upon this order will then draft their Pokemon three at a time. The last person will then subsequently draft all six of his of her Pokemon at once. The order will then be reversed and continued on from there. Participants who have the opportunity to choose first should then have the strongest Pokemon, but the players who choose last will have the most cohesive teams.

There are rules to which Pokemon you are allowed to choose in the tournament; most legendary Pokemon and Wobbuffet are banned, as they give out unfair advantages. Below are your potential Pokemon draftees in order followed by their point value (which will be explained later).

Potential Pokemon draftees:

First-Generation Pokemon:
001 Bulbasaur - 318 Points
002 Ivysaur - 405 Points
003 Venusaur - 525 Points
004 Charmander - 309 Points
005 Charmeleon - 405 Points
006 Charizard - 534 Points
007 Squirtle - 314 Points
008 Wartortle - 405 Points
009 Blastoise - 530 Points
010 Caterpie - 195 Points
011 Metapod - 205 Points
012 Butterfree - 385 Points
013 Weedle - 195 Points
014 Kakuna - 205 Points
015 Beedrill - 385 Points
016 Pidgey - 251 Points
017 Pidgeotto - 349 Points
018 Pidgeot - 469 Points
019 Rattata - 253 Points
020 Raticate - 413 Points
021 Spearow - 262 Points
022 Fearow - 442 Points
023 Ekans - 288 Points
024 Arbok - 438 Points
025 Pikachu - 300 Points
026 Raichu - 475 Points
027 Sandshrew - 300 Points
028 Sandslash - 450 Points
029 Nidoran♀ - 275 Points
030 Nidorina - 365 Points
031 Nidoqueen - 495 Points
032 Nidoran♂ - 273 Points
033 Nidorino - 365 Points
034 Nidoking - 495 Points
035 Clefairy - 323 Points
036 Clefable - 473 Points
037 Vulpix - 299 Points
038 Ninetales - 505 Points
039 Jigglypuff - 270 Points
040 Wigglytuff - 425 Points
041 Zubat - 245 Points
042 Golbat - 455 Points
043 Oddish - 320 Points
044 Gloom - 395 Points
045 Vileplume - 480 Points
046 Paras - 285 Points
047 Parasect - 405 Points
048 Venonat - 305 Points
049 Venomoth - 450 Points
050 Diglett - 265 Points
051 Dugtrio - 405 Points
052 Meowth - 290 Points
053 Persian - 440 Points
054 Psyduck - 320 Points
055 Golduck - 500 Points
056 Mankey - 305 Points
057 Primeape - 455 Points
058 Growlithe - 350 Points
059 Arcanine - 555 Points
060 Poliwag - 300 Points
061 Poliwhirl - 385 Points
062 Poliwrath - 500 Points
063 Abra - 310 Points
064 Kadabra - 400 Points
065 Alakazam - 490 Points
066 Machop - 305 Points
067 Machoke - 405 Points
068 Machamp - 505 Points
069 Bellsprout - 300 Points
070 Weepinbell - 390 Points
071 Victreebel - 480 Points
072 Tentacool - 335 Points
073 Tentacruel - 515 Points
074 Geodude - 300 Points
075 Graveler - 390 Points
076 Golem - 485 Points
077 Ponyta - 410 Points
078 Rapidash - 500 Points
079 Slowpoke - 315 Points
080 Slowbro - 490 Points
081 Magnemite - 325 Points
082 Magneton - 465 Points
083 Farfetch'd - 352 Points
084 Doduo - 310 Points
085 Dodrio - 460 Points
086 Seel - 325 Points
087 Dewgong - 475 Points
088 Grimer - 325 Points
089 Muk - 500 Points
090 Shellder - 305 Points
091 Cloyster - 525 Points
092 Gastly - 310 Points
093 Haunter - 405 Points
094 Gengar - 500 Points
095 Onix - 385 Points
096 Drowzee - 328 Points
097 Hypno - 483 Points
098 Krabby - 325 Points
099 Kingler - 475 Points
100 Voltorb - 330 Points
101 Electrode - 480 Points
102 Exeggcute - 325 Points
103 Exeggutor - 520 Points
104 Cubone - 320 Points
105 Marowak - 425 Points
106 Hitmonlee - 455 Points
107 Hitmonchan - 455 Points
108 Lickitung - 385 Points
109 Koffing - 340 Points
110 Weezing - 490 Points
111 Rhyhorn - 345 Points
112 Rhydon - 485 Points
113 Chansey - 450 Points
114 Tangela - 435 Points
115 Kangaskhan - 490 Points
116 Horsea - 295 Points
117 Seadra - 440 Points
118 Goldeen - 320 Points
119 Seaking - 450 Points
120 Staryu - 340 Points
121 Starmie - 520 Points
122 Mr. Mime - 460 Points
123 Scyther - 500 Points
124 Jynx- 455 Points
125 Electabuzz - 490 Points
126 Magmar - 495 Points
127 Pinsir - 500 Points
128 Tauros - 490 Points
129 Magikarp - 200 Points
130 Gyarados - 540 Points
131 Lapras - 535 Points
132 Ditto - 288 Points
133 Eevee - 325 Points
134 Vaporeon - 525 Points
135 Jolteon - 525 Points
136 Flareon - 525 Points
137 Porygon - 395 Points
138 Omanyte - 355 Points
139 Omastar - 495 Points
140 Kabuto - 355 Points
141 Kabutops - 495 Points
142 Aerodactyl - 515 Points
143 Snorlax - 540 Points
144 Articuno - 580 Points
145 Zapdos - 580 Points
146 Moltres - 580 Points
147 Dratini - 300 Points
148 Dragonair - 420 Points
149 Dragonite - 600 Points
150 Mewtwo - 680 Points
151 Mew - 600 Points

Second-Generation Pokemon:
152 Chikorita - 318 Points
153 Bayleef - 405 Points
154 Meganium - 525 Points
155 Cyndaquil - 309 Points
156 Quilava - 405 Points
157 Typhlosion - 534 Points
158 Totodile - 314 Points
159 Croconaw - 405 Points
160 Feraligatr - 530 Points
161 Sentret - 215 Points
162 Furret - 415 Points
163 Hoothoot - 262 Points
164 Noctowl - 442 Points
165 Ledyba - 265 Points
166 Ledian - 390 Points
167 Spinarak - 250 Points
168 Ariados - 390 Points
169 Crobat - 535 Points
170 Chinchou - 330 Points
171 Lanturn - 460 Points
172 Pichu - 205 Points
173 Cleffa - 213 Points
174 Igglybuff - 210 Points
175 Togepi - 245 Points
176 Togetic - 405 Points
177 Natu - 320 Points
178 Xatu - 470 Points
179 Mareep - 280 Points
180 Flaaffy - 365 Points
181 Ampharos - 500 Points
182 Bellossom - 480 Points
183 Marill - 250 Points
184 Azumarill - 410 Points
185 Sudowoodo - 410 Points
186 Politoed - 500 Points
187 Hoppip - 250 Points
188 Skiploom - 340 Points
189 Jumpluff - 450 Points
190 Aipom - 360 Points
191 Sunkern - 180 Points
192 Sunflora - 425 Points
193 Yanma - 390 Points
194 Wooper - 210 Points
195 Quagsire - 430 Points
196 Espeon - 525 Points
197 Umbreon - 525 Points
198 Murkrow - 405 Points
199 Slowking - 490 Points
200 Misdreavus - 435 Points
201 Unown- 336 Points
202 Wobbuffet - 405 Points
203 Girafarig - 455 Points
204 Pineco - 290 Points
205 Forretress - 465 Points
206 Dunsparce - 415 Points
207 Gligar - 430 Points
208 Steelix - 510 Points
209 Snubbull - 300 Points
210 Granbull - 450 Points
211 Qwilfish - 430 Points
212 Scizor - 500 Points
213 Shuckle - 505 Points
214 Heracross - 500 Points
215 Sneasel - 430 Points
216 Teddiursa - 330 Points
217 Ursaring - 500 Points
218 Slugma - 250 Points
219 Magcargo - 410 Points
220 Swinub - 250 Points
221 Piloswine - 450 Points
222 Corsola - 380 Points
223 Remoraid - 300 Points
224 Octillery - 480 Points
225 Delibird - 330 Points
226 Mantine - 465 Points
227 Skarmory - 465 Points
228 Houndour - 330 Points
229 Houndoom - 500 Points
230 Kingdra - 540 Points
231 Phanpy - 330 Points
232 Donphan - 500 Points
233 Porygon2 - 515 Points
234 Stantler - 465 Points
235 Smeargle - 250 Points
236 Tyrogue - 210 Points
237 Hitmontop - 455 Points
238 Smoochum - 305 Points
239 Elekid - 360 Points
240 Magby - 365 Points
241 Miltank - 490 Points
242 Blissey - 540 Points
243 Raikou - 580 Points
244 Entei - 580 Points
245 Suicune - 580 Points
246 Larvitar - 300 Points
247 Pupitar - 410 Points
248 Tyranitar - 600 Points
249 Lugia - 680 Points
250 Ho-Oh - 680 Points
251 Celebi - 600 Points

Third-Generation Pokemon:
252 Treecko - 310 Points
253 Grovyle - 405 Points
254 Sceptile - 530 Points
255 Torchic - 310 Points
256 Combusken - 405 Points
257 Blaziken - 530 Points
258 Mudkip - 310 Points
259 Marshtomp - 405 Points
260 Swampert - 535 Points
261 Poochyena - 220 Points
262 Mightyena - 420 Points
263 Zigzagoon - 240 Points
264 Linoone - 420 Points
265 Wurmple - 195 Points
266 Silcoon - 205 Points
267 Beautifly - 385 Points
268 Cascoon - 205 Points
269 Dustox - 385 Points
270 Lotad - 220 Points
271 Lombre - 340 Points
272 Ludicolo - 480 Points
273 Seedot - 220 Points
274 Nuzleaf - 340 Points
275 Shiftry - 480 Points
276 Taillow - 270 Points
277 Swellow - 430 Points
278 Wingull - 270 Points
279 Pelipper - 430 Points
280 Ralts - 198 Points
281 Kirlia - 278 Points
282 Gardevoir - 518 Points
283 Surskit - 269 Points
284 Masquerain - 414 Points
285 Shroomish - 295 Points
286 Breloom - 460 Points
287 Slakoth - 280 Points
288 Vigoroth - 440 Points
289 Slaking - 543 Points
290 Nincada - 266 Points
291 Ninjask - 456 Points
292 Shedinja - 285 Points
293 Whismur - 240 Points
294 Loudred - 360 Points
295 Exploud - 480 Points
296 Makuhita - 237 Points
297 Hariyama - 474 Points
298 Azurill - 190 Points
299 Nosepass - 375 Points
300 Skitty - 260 Points
301 Delcatty - 380 Points
302 Sableye - 380 Points
303 Mawile - 380 Points
304 Aron - 330 Points
305 Lairon - 430 Points
306 Aggron - 530 Points
307 Meditite - 280 Points
308 Medicham - 410 Points
309 Electrike - 295 Points
310 Manectric - 475 Points
311 Plusle - 405 Points
312 Minun - 405 Points
313 Volbeat - 400 Points
314 Illumise - 400 Points
315 Roselia - 400 Points
316 Gulpin - 302 Points
317 Swalot - 467 Points
318 Carvanha - 305 Points
319 Sharpedo - 460 Points
320 Wailmer - 400 Points
321 Wailord - 500 Points
322 Numel - 305 Points
323 Camerupt - 460 Points
324 Torkoal - 470 Points
325 Spoink - 330 Points
326 Grumpig - 470 Points
327 Spinda - 360 Points
328 Trapinch - 290 Points
329 Vibrava - 340 Points
330 Flygon - 520 Points
331 Cacnea - 335 Points
332 Cacturne - 475 Points
333 Swablu - 310 Points
334 Altaria - 490 Points
335 Zangoose - 458 Points
336 Seviper - 458 Points
337 Lunatone - 440 Points
338 Solrock - 440 Points
339 Barboach - 288 Points
340 Whiscash - 468 Points
341 Corphish - 308 Points
342 Crawdaunt - 468 Points
343 Baltoy - 300 Points
344 Claydol - 500 Points
345 Lileep - 355 Points
346 Cradily - 495 Points
347 Anorith - 355 Points
348 Armaldo - 495 Points
349 Feebas - 200 Points
350 Milotic - 540 Points
351 Castform - 420 Points
352 Kecleon - 440 Points
353 Shuppet - 295 Points
354 Banette - 455 Points
355 Duskull - 295 Points
356 Dusclops - 455 Points
357 Tropius - 460 Points
358 Chimecho - 425 Points
359 Absol - 465 Points
360 Wynaut - 260 Points
361 Snorunt - 300 Points
362 Glalie - 480 Points
363 Spheal - 290 Points
364 Sealeo - 410 Points
365 Walrein - 530 Points
366 Clamperl - 345 Points
367 Huntail - 485 Points
368 Gorebyss - 485 Points
369 Relicanth - 485 Points
370 Luvdisc - 330 Points
371 Bagon - 300 Points
372 Shelgon - 420 Points
373 Salamence - 600 Points
374 Beldum - 300 Points
375 Metang - 420 Points
376 Metagross - 600 Points
377 Regirock - 580 Points
378 Regice - 580 Points
379 Registeel - 580 Points
380 Latias - 600 Points
381 Latios - 600 Points
382 Kyogre - 670 Points
383 Groudon - 670 Points
384 Rayquaza - 680 Points
385 Jirachi - 600 Points
386 Deoxys - 600 Points

Forth-Generation Pokemon:
387 Turtwig - 318 Points
388 Grotle - 405 Points
389 Torterra - 525 Points
390 Chimchar - 309 Points
391 Monferno - 405 Points
392 Infernape - 534 Points
393 Piplup - 314 Points
394 Prinplup - 405 Points
395 Empoleon - 530 Points
396 Starly - 245 Points
397 Staravia - 340 Points
398 Staraptor - 475 Points
399 Bidoof - 250 Points
400 Bibarel - 410 Points
401 Kricketot - 194 Points
402 Kricketune - 384 Points
403 Shinx - 263 Points
404 Luxio - 363 Points
405 Luxray - 523 Points
406 Budew - 280 Points
407 Roserade - 505 Points
408 Cranidos - 350 Points
409 Rampardos - 495 Points
410 Shieldon - 350 Points
411 Bastiodon - 495 Points
412 Burmy - 224 Points
413 Wormadam - 424 Points
414 Mothim - 424 Points
415 Combee - 244 Points
416 Vespiquen - 474 Points
417 Pachirisu - 405 Points
418 Buizel - 330 Points
419 Floatzel - 495 Points
420 Cherubi - 275 Points
421 Cherrim - 450 Points
422 Shellos - 325 Points
423 Gastrodon - 475 Points
424 Ambipom - 482 Points
425 Drifloon - 348 Points
426 Drifblim - 498 Points
427 Buneary - 350 Points
428 Lopunny - 480 Points
429 Mismagius - 495 Points
430 Honchkrow - 505 Points
431 Glameow - 310 Points
432 Purugly - 452 Points
433 Chingling - 285 Points
434 Stunky - 329 Points
435 Skuntank - 479 Points
436 Bronzor - 300 Points
437 Bronzong - 500 Points
438 Bonsly - 290 Points
439 Mime Jr. - 310 Points
440 Happiny - 220 Points
441 Chatot - 411 Points
442 Spiritomb - 485 Points
443 Gible - 300 Points
444 Gabite - 410 Points
445 Garchomp - 600 Points
446 Munchlax - 390 Points
447 Riolu - 285 Points
448 Lucario - 525 Points
449 Hippopotas - 330 Points
450 Hippowdon - 525 Points
451 Skorupi - 330 Points
452 Drapion - 500 Points
453 Croagunk - 300 Points
454 Toxicroak - 490 Points
455 Carnivine - 454 Points
456 Finneon - 330 Points
457 Lumineon - 460 Points
458 Mantyke - 345 Points
459 Snover - 334 Points
460 Abomasnow - 494 Points
461 Weavile - 510 Points
462 Magnezone - 535 Points
463 Lickilicky - 515 Points
464 Rhyperior - 535 Points
465 Tangrowth - 535 Points
466 Electivire - 540 Points
467 Magmortar - 540 Points
468 Togekiss - 545 Points
469 Yanmega - 515 Points
470 Leafeon - 525 Points
471 Glaceon - 525 Points
472 Gliscor - 510 Points
473 Mamoswine - 530 Points
474 Porygon-Z - 535 Points
475 Gallade - 518 Points
476 Probopass - 525 Points
477 Dusknoir - 525 Points
478 Froslass - 480 Points
479 Rotom - 440 Points
480 Uxie - 580 Points
481 Mesprit - 580 Points
482 Azelf - 580 Points
483 Dialga - 680 Points
484 Palkia - 680 Points
485 Heatran - 600 Points
486 Regigigas - 670 Points
487 Giratina - 680 Points
488 Cresselia - 600 Points
489 Phione - 480 Points
490 Manaphy - 600 Points
491 Darkrai - 600 Points
492 Shaymin - 600 Points
493 Arceus - 720 Points

If you already know which Pokemon you want to use for the tournament, but unsure of which Pokemon have already been drafted, below is the list of Pokemon that have already been drafted and by whom.

Pokemon Drafted:

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You will have 24-hours from the last person to draft your Pokemon. If you do not show up for this (exception in the hint below) you will have to wait until everybody else has made their selection in that round. If you miss both rounds, you will be ejected from the competition.

Hopefully if everything goes as planned, the drafting process shall not take more than a week. But this depends on the amount of interest gathered and how fast people will draft their Pokemon.

Hint: At any time after you have signed up but before you select all of your draftees, you may submit a, "queue" list of Pokemon to me in a private message, from most desired to least. My recommendation is the more Pokemon you put on that list, the better. At any one time this list may be updated, and as well I will keep my eyes on every queue list that people give me to see if their Pokemon have been chosen so I can cross them off their list. If you happen to not be able to reach the 24-hour limit, I will then use your queue list to make your top three selections, instead of using the default system set up for this tournament.

Stage 3: Preparation

After each player has selected all his or her six Pokemon, it is time to prepare for battle!

The preparation deadline is 10 days after the draft has concluded.

If you don't feel like you can make it in time, fear not, for players are always willing to trade. If you wish to trade, please post in this thread what you wish to trade. To avoid unnecessary clutter and confusion, I have created a trading nexus for all things coming and going.

Pokemon Trade:

Pokemon desired:
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Pokemon willing to be traded:
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Hint: Since you only have ten days to prepare your team, focus on the big picture, such as obtaining the Pokemon you drafted, or getting the most useful TMs you can find. Do not worry about the small things like EV or having the absolute ideal team. Go for the practical.

Stage 4: Battle

This tournament's format is round robin. This means everybody will face each other once. Only the first match will count. Pokemon will automatically be raised to level 100 upon entering the battle. Both move pools adjustments and hold items adjustments will be allowed for this tournament. However, there is a limit to how many times you can use sleep and double team; once per match. And as well, all matches must be done in the normal singles style.

Each match will consist of three rounds. The first round consists of a 6 on 6 battle, while the second and third rounds consist of 3 on 3 battles. Someone must take tabs on who's Pokemon is KOed, what Pokemon they are, and how many times they were KOed. These are essential to figuring out who is the winner of the match. Every Pokemon that you KO is worth the cumulative base stats of that Pokemon, made into a system of "points". For example, Lucario has the base stats 70 HP, 110 Attack, 70 Defense, 115 Special Attack, 70 Special Defense, and 90 Speed. All six of these together would be worth 525 "points".

Every battle is worth 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss. The length of this process will depend on how many people sign up; every participant will be worth 1.5 days. If you do not make every match for the tournament while the alloted time is given to you, you will not receive any points for them.

The Official Battle Chart:

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After the battle stage, the winner will be announced by how many points they earned. There will not be any official avatar/signature combo themes for this tournament, but you are more than welcome to design something yourself.

After winning the tournament, the champion will receive a custom-made avatar and signature combo designed specifically for him or her done by the very talented artist, Kairyu.

Now, with all that being said, good luck to all of the participants of this tournament!

Well, I think I just got carpal tunnel syndrome... heh.

At least I incorporated many, many ideas from Crash, Kairyu, and myself to make - probably - the best tournament possible for this situation.

Final feedback before this goes public, at 9:00 PM, would be most appreciated.

Edit:

I'm also debating whether or not I should have the picture below be the 'gimmick' of the thread.

Spoiler:

How ya doing, buddy?

After a long discussion with Kairyu, this is probably the final version of the thread.

Pokemon Draft Tournament Version 1.04 Beta 3:

Prefix: Tournament Title: Pokemon Draft Tournament

Welcome to the best Pokemon tournament ever! To understand how this tournament will work, you must learn the four stages of this tournament. The stages go in this order: signing up, drafting, preparation, and battle.

To understand why this is the best Pokemon tournament ever, one must know the way this tournament is set up. I will attempt to do this by explaining each stage of the tournament throughly. To understand the tournament in its entirety, you must read through all four stages.

As a reminder, be sure to regularly check this post for important updates!

Stage 1: Signing Up

Signing up is as simple as declaring your interest in doing so in this thread, before the deadline to sign up is over.

The deadline to sign up is Thursday, July 3rd, at 9:00 PM Central Time Zone; exactly one week from the day this was posted.

Roster of participants in chronological order:

(Your name here!)

Hint: After you have signed up, it is strongly recommended that you pan out your thoughts as to which Pokemon you'd want to draft. Also, this website is your friend.

Stage 2: Drafting

From the roster of participants I will use ChocoDecide to decide the fate of everybody's placing. I will plug in each name, follow by a comma, and let ChocoDecide decide who drafts their Pokemon first. After this, I will then eliminate their name from the list and continue with this process until everybody has been selected.

The order in which participants will draft:

(Empty until the sign ups are over)

The participants upon this order will then draft their Pokemon three at a time. The last person will then subsequently draft all six of his of her Pokemon at once. The order will then be reversed and continued on from there. Participants who have the opportunity to choose first should then have the strongest Pokemon, but the players who choose last will have the most cohesive teams.

There are rules to which Pokemon you are allowed to choose in the tournament; most legendary Pokemon and Wobbuffet are banned, as they give out unfair advantages. Below are your potential Pokemon draftees in order followed by their point value (which will be explained later).

Potential Pokemon draftees:

First-Generation Pokemon:
001 Bulbasaur - 318 Points
002 Ivysaur - 405 Points
003 Venusaur - 525 Points
004 Charmander - 309 Points
005 Charmeleon - 405 Points
006 Charizard - 534 Points
007 Squirtle - 314 Points
008 Wartortle - 405 Points
009 Blastoise - 530 Points
010 Caterpie - 195 Points
011 Metapod - 205 Points
012 Butterfree - 385 Points
013 Weedle - 195 Points
014 Kakuna - 205 Points
015 Beedrill - 385 Points
016 Pidgey - 251 Points
017 Pidgeotto - 349 Points
018 Pidgeot - 469 Points
019 Rattata - 253 Points
020 Raticate - 413 Points
021 Spearow - 262 Points
022 Fearow - 442 Points
023 Ekans - 288 Points
024 Arbok - 438 Points
025 Pikachu - 300 Points
026 Raichu - 475 Points
027 Sandshrew - 300 Points
028 Sandslash - 450 Points
029 Nidoran♀ - 275 Points
030 Nidorina - 365 Points
031 Nidoqueen - 495 Points
032 Nidoran♂ - 273 Points
033 Nidorino - 365 Points
034 Nidoking - 495 Points
035 Clefairy - 323 Points
036 Clefable - 473 Points
037 Vulpix - 299 Points
038 Ninetales - 505 Points
039 Jigglypuff - 270 Points
040 Wigglytuff - 425 Points
041 Zubat - 245 Points
042 Golbat - 455 Points
043 Oddish - 320 Points
044 Gloom - 395 Points
045 Vileplume - 480 Points
046 Paras - 285 Points
047 Parasect - 405 Points
048 Venonat - 305 Points
049 Venomoth - 450 Points
050 Diglett - 265 Points
051 Dugtrio - 405 Points
052 Meowth - 290 Points
053 Persian - 440 Points
054 Psyduck - 320 Points
055 Golduck - 500 Points
056 Mankey - 305 Points
057 Primeape - 455 Points
058 Growlithe - 350 Points
059 Arcanine - 555 Points
060 Poliwag - 300 Points
061 Poliwhirl - 385 Points
062 Poliwrath - 500 Points
063 Abra - 310 Points
064 Kadabra - 400 Points
065 Alakazam - 490 Points
066 Machop - 305 Points
067 Machoke - 405 Points
068 Machamp - 505 Points
069 Bellsprout - 300 Points
070 Weepinbell - 390 Points
071 Victreebel - 480 Points
072 Tentacool - 335 Points
073 Tentacruel - 515 Points
074 Geodude - 300 Points
075 Graveler - 390 Points
076 Golem - 485 Points
077 Ponyta - 410 Points
078 Rapidash - 500 Points
079 Slowpoke - 315 Points
080 Slowbro - 490 Points
081 Magnemite - 325 Points
082 Magneton - 465 Points
083 Farfetch'd - 352 Points
084 Doduo - 310 Points
085 Dodrio - 460 Points
086 Seel - 325 Points
087 Dewgong - 475 Points
088 Grimer - 325 Points
089 Muk - 500 Points
090 Shellder - 305 Points
091 Cloyster - 525 Points
092 Gastly - 310 Points
093 Haunter - 405 Points
094 Gengar - 500 Points
095 Onix - 385 Points
096 Drowzee - 328 Points
097 Hypno - 483 Points
098 Krabby - 325 Points
099 Kingler - 475 Points
100 Voltorb - 330 Points
101 Electrode - 480 Points
102 Exeggcute - 325 Points
103 Exeggutor - 520 Points
104 Cubone - 320 Points
105 Marowak - 425 Points
106 Hitmonlee - 455 Points
107 Hitmonchan - 455 Points
108 Lickitung - 385 Points
109 Koffing - 340 Points
110 Weezing - 490 Points
111 Rhyhorn - 345 Points
112 Rhydon - 485 Points
113 Chansey - 450 Points
114 Tangela - 435 Points
115 Kangaskhan - 490 Points
116 Horsea - 295 Points
117 Seadra - 440 Points
118 Goldeen - 320 Points
119 Seaking - 450 Points
120 Staryu - 340 Points
121 Starmie - 520 Points
122 Mr. Mime - 460 Points
123 Scyther - 500 Points
124 Jynx- 455 Points
125 Electabuzz - 490 Points
126 Magmar - 495 Points
127 Pinsir - 500 Points
128 Tauros - 490 Points
129 Magikarp - 200 Points
130 Gyarados - 540 Points
131 Lapras - 535 Points
132 Ditto - 288 Points
133 Eevee - 325 Points
134 Vaporeon - 525 Points
135 Jolteon - 525 Points
136 Flareon - 525 Points
137 Porygon - 395 Points
138 Omanyte - 355 Points
139 Omastar - 495 Points
140 Kabuto - 355 Points
141 Kabutops - 495 Points
142 Aerodactyl - 515 Points
143 Snorlax - 540 Points
144 Articuno - 580 Points
145 Zapdos - 580 Points
146 Moltres - 580 Points
147 Dratini - 300 Points
148 Dragonair - 420 Points
149 Dragonite - 600 Points
150 Mewtwo - 680 Points
151 Mew - 600 Points

Second-Generation Pokemon:
152 Chikorita - 318 Points
153 Bayleef - 405 Points
154 Meganium - 525 Points
155 Cyndaquil - 309 Points
156 Quilava - 405 Points
157 Typhlosion - 534 Points
158 Totodile - 314 Points
159 Croconaw - 405 Points
160 Feraligatr - 530 Points
161 Sentret - 215 Points
162 Furret - 415 Points
163 Hoothoot - 262 Points
164 Noctowl - 442 Points
165 Ledyba - 265 Points
166 Ledian - 390 Points
167 Spinarak - 250 Points
168 Ariados - 390 Points
169 Crobat - 535 Points
170 Chinchou - 330 Points
171 Lanturn - 460 Points
172 Pichu - 205 Points
173 Cleffa - 213 Points
174 Igglybuff - 210 Points
175 Togepi - 245 Points
176 Togetic - 405 Points
177 Natu - 320 Points
178 Xatu - 470 Points
179 Mareep - 280 Points
180 Flaaffy - 365 Points
181 Ampharos - 500 Points
182 Bellossom - 480 Points
183 Marill - 250 Points
184 Azumarill - 410 Points
185 Sudowoodo - 410 Points
186 Politoed - 500 Points
187 Hoppip - 250 Points
188 Skiploom - 340 Points
189 Jumpluff - 450 Points
190 Aipom - 360 Points
191 Sunkern - 180 Points
192 Sunflora - 425 Points
193 Yanma - 390 Points
194 Wooper - 210 Points
195 Quagsire - 430 Points
196 Espeon - 525 Points
197 Umbreon - 525 Points
198 Murkrow - 405 Points
199 Slowking - 490 Points
200 Misdreavus - 435 Points
201 Unown- 336 Points
202 Wobbuffet - 405 Points
203 Girafarig - 455 Points
204 Pineco - 290 Points
205 Forretress - 465 Points
206 Dunsparce - 415 Points
207 Gligar - 430 Points
208 Steelix - 510 Points
209 Snubbull - 300 Points
210 Granbull - 450 Points
211 Qwilfish - 430 Points
212 Scizor - 500 Points
213 Shuckle - 505 Points
214 Heracross - 500 Points
215 Sneasel - 430 Points
216 Teddiursa - 330 Points
217 Ursaring - 500 Points
218 Slugma - 250 Points
219 Magcargo - 410 Points
220 Swinub - 250 Points
221 Piloswine - 450 Points
222 Corsola - 380 Points
223 Remoraid - 300 Points
224 Octillery - 480 Points
225 Delibird - 330 Points
226 Mantine - 465 Points
227 Skarmory - 465 Points
228 Houndour - 330 Points
229 Houndoom - 500 Points
230 Kingdra - 540 Points
231 Phanpy - 330 Points
232 Donphan - 500 Points
233 Porygon2 - 515 Points
234 Stantler - 465 Points
235 Smeargle - 250 Points
236 Tyrogue - 210 Points
237 Hitmontop - 455 Points
238 Smoochum - 305 Points
239 Elekid - 360 Points
240 Magby - 365 Points
241 Miltank - 490 Points
242 Blissey - 540 Points
243 Raikou - 580 Points
244 Entei - 580 Points
245 Suicune - 580 Points
246 Larvitar - 300 Points
247 Pupitar - 410 Points
248 Tyranitar - 600 Points
249 Lugia - 680 Points
250 Ho-Oh - 680 Points
251 Celebi - 600 Points

Third-Generation Pokemon:
252 Treecko - 310 Points
253 Grovyle - 405 Points
254 Sceptile - 530 Points
255 Torchic - 310 Points
256 Combusken - 405 Points
257 Blaziken - 530 Points
258 Mudkip - 310 Points
259 Marshtomp - 405 Points
260 Swampert - 535 Points
261 Poochyena - 220 Points
262 Mightyena - 420 Points
263 Zigzagoon - 240 Points
264 Linoone - 420 Points
265 Wurmple - 195 Points
266 Silcoon - 205 Points
267 Beautifly - 385 Points
268 Cascoon - 205 Points
269 Dustox - 385 Points
270 Lotad - 220 Points
271 Lombre - 340 Points
272 Ludicolo - 480 Points
273 Seedot - 220 Points
274 Nuzleaf - 340 Points
275 Shiftry - 480 Points
276 Taillow - 270 Points
277 Swellow - 430 Points
278 Wingull - 270 Points
279 Pelipper - 430 Points
280 Ralts - 198 Points
281 Kirlia - 278 Points
282 Gardevoir - 518 Points
283 Surskit - 269 Points
284 Masquerain - 414 Points
285 Shroomish - 295 Points
286 Breloom - 460 Points
287 Slakoth - 280 Points
288 Vigoroth - 440 Points
289 Slaking - 543 Points
290 Nincada - 266 Points
291 Ninjask - 456 Points
292 Shedinja - 285 Points
293 Whismur - 240 Points
294 Loudred - 360 Points
295 Exploud - 480 Points
296 Makuhita - 237 Points
297 Hariyama - 474 Points
298 Azurill - 190 Points
299 Nosepass - 375 Points
300 Skitty - 260 Points
301 Delcatty - 380 Points
302 Sableye - 380 Points
303 Mawile - 380 Points
304 Aron - 330 Points
305 Lairon - 430 Points
306 Aggron - 530 Points
307 Meditite - 280 Points
308 Medicham - 410 Points
309 Electrike - 295 Points
310 Manectric - 475 Points
311 Plusle - 405 Points
312 Minun - 405 Points
313 Volbeat - 400 Points
314 Illumise - 400 Points
315 Roselia - 400 Points
316 Gulpin - 302 Points
317 Swalot - 467 Points
318 Carvanha - 305 Points
319 Sharpedo - 460 Points
320 Wailmer - 400 Points
321 Wailord - 500 Points
322 Numel - 305 Points
323 Camerupt - 460 Points
324 Torkoal - 470 Points
325 Spoink - 330 Points
326 Grumpig - 470 Points
327 Spinda - 360 Points
328 Trapinch - 290 Points
329 Vibrava - 340 Points
330 Flygon - 520 Points
331 Cacnea - 335 Points
332 Cacturne - 475 Points
333 Swablu - 310 Points
334 Altaria - 490 Points
335 Zangoose - 458 Points
336 Seviper - 458 Points
337 Lunatone - 440 Points
338 Solrock - 440 Points
339 Barboach - 288 Points
340 Whiscash - 468 Points
341 Corphish - 308 Points
342 Crawdaunt - 468 Points
343 Baltoy - 300 Points
344 Claydol - 500 Points
345 Lileep - 355 Points
346 Cradily - 495 Points
347 Anorith - 355 Points
348 Armaldo - 495 Points
349 Feebas - 200 Points
350 Milotic - 540 Points
351 Castform - 420 Points
352 Kecleon - 440 Points
353 Shuppet - 295 Points
354 Banette - 455 Points
355 Duskull - 295 Points
356 Dusclops - 455 Points
357 Tropius - 460 Points
358 Chimecho - 425 Points
359 Absol - 465 Points
360 Wynaut - 260 Points
361 Snorunt - 300 Points
362 Glalie - 480 Points
363 Spheal - 290 Points
364 Sealeo - 410 Points
365 Walrein - 530 Points
366 Clamperl - 345 Points
367 Huntail - 485 Points
368 Gorebyss - 485 Points
369 Relicanth - 485 Points
370 Luvdisc - 330 Points
371 Bagon - 300 Points
372 Shelgon - 420 Points
373 Salamence - 600 Points
374 Beldum - 300 Points
375 Metang - 420 Points
376 Metagross - 600 Points
377 Regirock - 580 Points
378 Regice - 580 Points
379 Registeel - 580 Points
380 Latias - 600 Points
381 Latios - 600 Points
382 Kyogre - 670 Points
383 Groudon - 670 Points
384 Rayquaza - 680 Points
385 Jirachi - 600 Points
386 Deoxys - 600 Points

Forth-Generation Pokemon:
387 Turtwig - 318 Points
388 Grotle - 405 Points
389 Torterra - 525 Points
390 Chimchar - 309 Points
391 Monferno - 405 Points
392 Infernape - 534 Points
393 Piplup - 314 Points
394 Prinplup - 405 Points
395 Empoleon - 530 Points
396 Starly - 245 Points
397 Staravia - 340 Points
398 Staraptor - 475 Points
399 Bidoof - 250 Points
400 Bibarel - 410 Points
401 Kricketot - 194 Points
402 Kricketune - 384 Points
403 Shinx - 263 Points
404 Luxio - 363 Points
405 Luxray - 523 Points
406 Budew - 280 Points
407 Roserade - 505 Points
408 Cranidos - 350 Points
409 Rampardos - 495 Points
410 Shieldon - 350 Points
411 Bastiodon - 495 Points
412 Burmy - 224 Points
413 Wormadam - 424 Points
414 Mothim - 424 Points
415 Combee - 244 Points
416 Vespiquen - 474 Points
417 Pachirisu - 405 Points
418 Buizel - 330 Points
419 Floatzel - 495 Points
420 Cherubi - 275 Points
421 Cherrim - 450 Points
422 Shellos - 325 Points
423 Gastrodon - 475 Points
424 Ambipom - 482 Points
425 Drifloon - 348 Points
426 Drifblim - 498 Points
427 Buneary - 350 Points
428 Lopunny - 480 Points
429 Mismagius - 495 Points
430 Honchkrow - 505 Points
431 Glameow - 310 Points
432 Purugly - 452 Points
433 Chingling - 285 Points
434 Stunky - 329 Points
435 Skuntank - 479 Points
436 Bronzor - 300 Points
437 Bronzong - 500 Points
438 Bonsly - 290 Points
439 Mime Jr. - 310 Points
440 Happiny - 220 Points
441 Chatot - 411 Points
442 Spiritomb - 485 Points
443 Gible - 300 Points
444 Gabite - 410 Points
445 Garchomp - 600 Points
446 Munchlax - 390 Points
447 Riolu - 285 Points
448 Lucario - 525 Points
449 Hippopotas - 330 Points
450 Hippowdon - 525 Points
451 Skorupi - 330 Points
452 Drapion - 500 Points
453 Croagunk - 300 Points
454 Toxicroak - 490 Points
455 Carnivine - 454 Points
456 Finneon - 330 Points
457 Lumineon - 460 Points
458 Mantyke - 345 Points
459 Snover - 334 Points
460 Abomasnow - 494 Points
461 Weavile - 510 Points
462 Magnezone - 535 Points
463 Lickilicky - 515 Points
464 Rhyperior - 535 Points
465 Tangrowth - 535 Points
466 Electivire - 540 Points
467 Magmortar - 540 Points
468 Togekiss - 545 Points
469 Yanmega - 515 Points
470 Leafeon - 525 Points
471 Glaceon - 525 Points
472 Gliscor - 510 Points
473 Mamoswine - 530 Points
474 Porygon-Z - 535 Points
475 Gallade - 518 Points
476 Probopass - 525 Points
477 Dusknoir - 525 Points
478 Froslass - 480 Points
479 Rotom - 440 Points
480 Uxie - 580 Points
481 Mesprit - 580 Points
482 Azelf - 580 Points
483 Dialga - 680 Points
484 Palkia - 680 Points
485 Heatran - 600 Points
486 Regigigas - 670 Points
487 Giratina - 680 Points
488 Cresselia - 600 Points
489 Phione - 480 Points
490 Manaphy - 600 Points
491 Darkrai - 600 Points
492 Shaymin - 600 Points
493 Arceus - 720 Points

If you already know which Pokemon you want to use for the tournament, but unsure of which Pokemon have already been drafted, below is the list of Pokemon that have already been drafted and by whom.

Pokemon Drafted:

(Empty until the draft starts)

You will have 24-hours from the last person to draft your Pokemon. If you do not show up for this (exception in the hint below) you will have to wait until everybody else has made their selection in that round. If you miss both rounds, you will be ejected from the competition.

Hopefully if everything goes as planned, the drafting process shall not take more than a week. But this depends on the amount of interest gathered and how fast people will draft their Pokemon.

Hint: At any time after you have signed up but before you select all of your draftees, you may submit a, "queue" list of Pokemon to me in a private message, from most desired to least. My recommendation is the more Pokemon you put on that list, the better. At any one time this list may be updated, and as well I will keep my eyes on every queue list that people give me to see if their Pokemon have been chosen so I can cross them off their list. If you happen to not be able to reach the 24-hour limit, I will then use your queue list to make your top three selections, instead of using the default system set up for this tournament.

Stage 3: Preparation

After each player has selected all his or her six Pokemon, it is time to prepare for battle!

The preparation deadline is 10 days after the draft has concluded.

If you don't feel like you can make it in time, fear not, for players are always willing to trade. If you wish to trade, please post in this thread what you wish to trade. To avoid unnecessary clutter and confusion, I have created a trading nexus for all things coming and going.

Pokemon Trade:

Pokemon desired:
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Pokemon willing to be traded:
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Hint: Since you only have ten days to prepare your team, focus on the big picture, such as obtaining the Pokemon you drafted, or getting the most useful TMs you can find. Do not worry about the small things like EV or having the absolute ideal team. Go for the practical. It is also the time to collect any hold items you may want to use in this tournament since you are allowed to change them.

Stage 4: Battle

This tournament's format is round robin. This means everybody will face each other once. Only the first match will count. Pokemon will automatically be raised to level 100 upon entering the battle. Move pools adjustments will not be allowed in this tournament, but hold items adjustments will be. The limit to how many times you can use sleep and double team is once per match. And as well, all matches must be done in the normal singles style.

Each match will consist of three rounds. The first round consists of a 6 on 6 battle, while the second and third rounds consist of 3 on 3 battles. Someone must take tabs on who's Pokemon is KOed, what Pokemon they are, and how many times they were KOed. These are essential to figuring out who is the winner of the match. Every Pokemon that you KO is worth the cumulative base stats of that Pokemon, made into a system of "points". For example, Lucario has the base stats 70 HP, 110 Attack, 70 Defense, 115 Special Attack, 70 Special Defense, and 90 Speed. All six of these together would be worth 525 "points".

Every battle is worth 2 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss. The length of this process will depend on how many people sign up; every participant will be worth 1.5 days. If you do not make every match for the tournament while the alloted time is given to you, you will not receive any points for them.

The Official Battle Chart:

(Empty until the sign-ups are over)

After the battle stage, the winner will be announced by how many points they earned. If there is a tie, the winner should be the won with the least amount of their Pokemon KOed. There will not be any official avatar/signature combo themes for this tournament, but you are more than welcome to design something yourself.

Now, with all that being said, good luck to all of the participants of this tournament! Let the tournament begin!

If I'm missing something, please let me know.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

What I mean is that you can only make an opponents Pokemon sleep once per match, not round. You can use the same move over and over until one of your opponents Pokemon is sleeping. After that, you cannot use it until your next match with a a different participant. The same is implied with double team.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Bah! I already posted the thread. I would have waited longer, but I felt like Kairyu was pushing me to get this out as fast as possible.

I'll update the thread to be more specific with the sleep clause, okay? That's sort-of what I meant, only being vague in a few words instead of thoroughly explaining it. Sorry.

When I said, "trade Pokemon" I didn't mean trading Pokemon that you drafted, just trading in general, I guess. I don't know the limitations of trade viva wi-fi, I thought you could only trade Pokemon so I thought, for example, someone who drafted a Dragonite would trade his Metagross to the person who drafted Metagross in return for a Dragonite.

Man, our language can be so ... misconceived.

It's too late for a 'supplemental draft', anyways.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Actually, Kairyu, a battle is equivalent to a round and three of either of these is considered a match. Yes, you can only use it once successfully per match. xD

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?