Man found dead in bar....

It wasn't foul play, no wrong doing was done... why should it be news? People die of natural causes every day.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

jew killed him

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Thank you, Beaner. I was right annoyed at that closure.

I don't see how you can seriously think that every death should be front page news, Lekk. Thousands of people die from natural causes every day, and we're supposed to place all of them as serious news? How and why?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Dee

How is this any different from the genocide in Darfur or other regions? We turn a blind eye to the massacre of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and then this one drunken guy in a bar is at least given newspaper space while other WORLD NEWS are not? Isn't this something to ponder about.

How is it different? Well for one, this was natural fucking causes, you git. No one was murdered here. No, this is NOTHING to ponder about. You know why? Darfur is reported in the news, so is Iraq, so is Africa. You know where the one drunken dude wasn't reported? CNN, FOX, Television in general. Jesus christ, if you want to make a political point, make sure you aren't a borderline mental midget first.

People like you are why we moderate liberals wince when they interview university students.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Dee

Yes, you have a point. The point I was trying to make was that apathy is rampant in our society - also on a larger scale.

You didn't argue apathy, you argued coverage. We have unprecendented access to international news in this era. We have graphic coverage of pretty much everything. What you think is apathy, I call being overwhelmed. You know who wants to save the world? Deluded people. You can't save the world. All you can do is try and make life a little better for the people around you. I think most people will try and do that. But preaching world building saviour tactics is counter-productive and exactly why people who want to make the world better get ignored.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Dee

Coverage or lack of is also a sign of apathy. When one man does indeed get a small snippet for the apathy of bar attenders about his death (not to mention these people are drunk), does each individual death around the globe get equal coverage? True, horrendous global events get coverage, but not nearly enough that it deserves. It is the communal lack of apathy that spurs this lack of coverage, and then more coverage of less important newsworthy events. It's this terrible cycle.

I didn't make a point anywhere about "saving the world". I can't save the world. You can't save the world. What's the point you're trying to make? Perhaps you better get off your high horse of cynicism and assumptions.

A) coverage or the lack of coverage is apathy. So no matter what the media does, it's apathy.

B) What does it matter that the people were drunk?

C) You're right. The 24 hour coverage by CNN of what is going on in Iraq isn't nearly enough. Quick, let's sanction 6 extra hours in a day so it can be 30.

D) You're right about less important news stories getting coverage. I mean, can we just stop hearing about how Anna Nichole Smith died? I mean, really, do we have to know about one person's death of natural causes, is that really so important? O wait, according to you it is.

Originally Posted by Leknaat

What pisses me off is the whole "oh, by the way, before I forget to mention" attitude I get from the whole article

First off, it was an oh-by-the way because somebody died in a bar of natural causes, and that doesn't happen every day. If he'd died in the parking lot, you'd never of heard of it. The minors drinking is breaking a law, this is just some dude who had a heart attack in his chair and went quietly. That isn't news. At all.

Secondly, you know how you get an obit? Your family pays for one. You don't just get one when you die. The paper would be 100 pages long. Christ, I'm left wing, and you bleeding hearts are making me ill with your lack of logic.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Leknaat

Leonard was a friendly guy. And, to be honest, the way this bar is set up--you can't miss anything.

So, it's not just the staff--but the people who were there, too.

No one noticed that this man never went to the bathroom in 5 hours?

So when you're at the bar, you notice people getting up and going to the bathroom? You're there with your friends and you spend your time observing the other patrons to see how often they go to the can? Get a fucking grip, Lekky.

It's a bar. If a dude wanted to disappear at a table, he can. It's not that shocking, nor is it some big damn travesty.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Leknaat

I give up.

I'm sorry I'm one of these people who thinks its a shame that we're so focused on ourselves that we ignore what's around us.

Sorry, Blah.

Oh yeah, I'm sure you know the private history of everyone in every bar you've ever gone into. If someone were to sit quietly in a corner and do nothing to draw attention, you'd surely notice them and walk over to say hello because they were so deliberately avoiding being noticed.

This isn't about an emo-lynching, this is about your point being backwards. This isn't a matter of people being selfish about only looking out for themselves, it's about a guy who was quietly in a corner, and so no one noticed when he continued to be quietly in a corner after he died. You want to be left alone about things like this, don't argue a stupid point and act like you have a moral highground because you "care" more.

How ya doing, buddy?