Products of Creation Science

While I think it would be a great laugh to visit one of these museums, I wouldn't want to give these religious whack jobs more money to line their pockets with.

I'll continue to ignore them until they're starved out of attention and cash. Or, unless they decide to poke into my children's education or something of that nature.

(It's not a science. Science aims to hold no bias in study.)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Encephalon

I mean, seriously dude... Dinosaurs coexisting with humans? I thought that shit was laughable when I saw it as a kid on THE FLINTSTONES.

Whats even more hilarious is that apparently, the world is only 6 thousand years old!

I cannot fucking fathom being so...gullible.

I'll never understand how faith can blind someone so much.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Who told you about the millions of dollars & research? Do you really know where your answers come from?

Are you disputing the money spent on research? I can assure you - plenty is spent. I work in the industry.

You can talk down to all of us as much as you like. You're an instigator. You try to start your religious fire wherever you go on these forums. It's almost as though you're trolling.

Fact of the matter is this: we have the skepticism needed to take an honest, unbiased look at the universe in which we live. The goal of science is to understand the place we live, and how we fit in.

You just eat up whatever some zealot scared you into believing.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by whinehurst

WHAT!?!

I'm sure his church told him how BARBARIC we atheists are!

WE EAT EACH OTHER UP! ALL THE TIME, WHINEHURST!

Would you like to partake in this fantastic femur I have over here? Nice and tender.

(Or maybe he's talking about oral sex. WHO THE FUCK KNOWS with this kid.)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by packrat

Honestly people, what he's trying to say there isn't that fucking difficult to grasp.
You know, what with the rich people getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the powerful preying on the weak, etc.

If you're going to laugh at him for something, make it about something that doesn't make you look like a retarded tool. Trust me, there is tons of material available.

See, we were trying to divert from his typical diatribe. We've all heard it from him before. We were making light. Relax.

(If you hadn't noticed, LordSword seriously starts the same argument in every forum he can. It gets boring.)

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

And for the record, I tend to vote for policy that benefits everyone, not just the zealous. One of the essential doctrines of Christianity is that you are not supposed to force your faith on anyone. And as many have already pointed out, there are quite of few Christians who, for whatever reason, don't adhere to that premise. If the seed doesn't bear fruit, then you're supposed to move on. Which is what a lot do, but it's hardly as memorable as that crazy guy screaming at you to repent.

Wait.

I'm not a Christian, so I don't know how you guys do stuff, but some people say it's your job to impose your religion on others, and then some say you shouldn't like you just did there.

Which is it? I'm a little lost here. Which congregation do you belong to? Must be different from Loserbutt's there. Which is why I always wonder why you all call yourselves Christian when you don't really believe in the same things. (Yea, yea, Jesus and all that - but the Muslims also believe Christ was a prophet or some thing...so uhhh...)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Locke

Muslims believe that Christ was also a prophet, but that Muhammad (PBUH) was the last prophet sent by Allah.

Yes, I know, but they still recognize Christ as a really important dude. So do Christians.

You know how I feel about the whole mess. I was just trying to make a point, albeit vague.

That point being that among Christians, there's sometimes such a vast, vast difference in what they believe between congregations.

I wonder why they all call themselves "Christians," and not by their congregational organization. Like Morons and Jehovah's Witnesses. "Christian" is too broad if you ask me.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

So the people who defend their belief in the theory of evolution, are wrong? Huh?

There's really nothing to "believe" in, though. It requires no faith. It requires reliance on scientific evidence. There's no emotion in it whatsoever.

Belief implies a desire to put faith into something.

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But perhaps we don't "believe" scientific facts, I mean, they're facts. No belief required. So how about moral beliefs, like equal rights for women, minorities, etc. Are people who defend those types of beliefs wrong?

Are you saying women AREN'T on par with men?
That minorities in our nation are LESS than whites?

I am sure you're not saying that, but there's a difference in believing that women and minorities are unequal to white men and putting faith into a deity. I hope you recognize this.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by a lurker

As Lordsword and Watts aren't actually in any position to push creation science (as neither of them are of age to vote) I think I can call this a crisis averted.

I'm pretty sure LordSword is, actually.

Just sayin'. ;_;

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

These issues don't really affect my faith because I'm more focused on the getting-into-heaven thing. To me that takes precedence over whether or not the Old Testament is 100% factual.

So you're essentially trying to kiss your god's ass to get into his post-death rave?

You don't really care about his really awesome book, but more how you're going to get past the bouncer and through the pearly gates?

I'm just trying to understand, here.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Basically, if I had a really good pitch, I could say "Give me $500 and you go to heaven when you die" and I'll be just as legit as his current bullshit theological idealism.

I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church already tried that one a few decades ago. At least you know it could work! =D

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Decades? I take it you're not familiar with the fact that Martin Luther abolished it a long time before that...

Yea, I meant to say centuries, I am sorry. I am a dolt. (Protestants and all that stuff, check.)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

There's quite a bit of truth in what you say, although I would still shy away from the "kiss ass" phrasing.

But why?

That's what you're doing. You're saying "I don't really pay attention to the whole BIBLE thing - I just want to get on God's cool list!" Which, if you ask me, is not very Christian at all.

You're afraid of the consequence - you're not actually paying attention to the point. I'm not a religious person, but if I were, I'd be offended.

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I think many Christians feel pressure to attend services. There's so many things that time could be used for; fun, friends, studies, work, yadda yadda. So why do they go? Some fear God (which plays directly into the ass-kiss stance), others may go strictly for the social aspect (which can be a good or bad thing), others have responsibilities to the church, and still others because their family makes them. The best reason to attend I suppose would be to experience the joy of communing with God and learn His way while in the company of fellow believers.

What does church have to do with what you believe? It's just a big building where a certain type of believer congregates to worship. Apparently, God hears you better if you're all praying at once in the same place?

Which seems a little weird to me.

If you want to worship your lord, you shouldn't need a building and an organization to do it.

You can commune with god (and I sincerely believe this of any religion) anywhere you go, no matter your company. At least that's what they say about god. And it's the nicest thing I can think of when it comes to a deity. I would love it if everyone for their own path to god, and found it without the "help" from a church or organization.

You know why people "fear" god? Because the church wants you to. It keeps you in check. It creates (no offense) people like you who follow the religion not because of the good message it brings, but because you're scared shitless of going to hell.

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I totally agree that a lot of people go to church not so much because they want to, but because they feel they are supposed to. I see it all the time. I used to be one of them. But I realized that I was offering my time as a sacrifice that was pleasing to God and eventually it brought me joy to do so. Some Christians find that joy right away, others may struggle their whole lives. Additionally, the simple fact of just being there exposed me to teachings I wouldn't discover on my own.

I don't know why you keep talking about "going to church." It has very little to do with actual religion and a belief structure.

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A lot of things about the Christian faith stand in opposition to what is generally accepted in the world. Conflict, such as the one prevalent throughout this thread, occurs when Christians promote their way of thinking. The term "slave to Christ" is certainly not going to sound very appealing to the masses, but it is something that Christians actually strive for.

Yes, of course it is. Because that's what you're taught to be.

I don't understand how this isn't transparent to you. You're pretty much admitting that the GOAL is to be a slave to Christ.

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It's corny, it's cheesy, but it's true that there is freedom to be found when you willingly abide by the Christian principles Jesus established. It's a freedom from the stress, anger, depression, and other pains any person must endure. ?! Good golly, it's getting even cheesier. :P *bracing myself to get flamed*

Yes, it's freedom. You know how? Because you willingly reduce yourself to a little robot.

You don't have to challenge yourself. You don't have to think about what is actually right and wrong. You don't have to think about morals. You only have to do what the church tells you to do.

They say ignorance is bliss, afterall.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Hachifusa

It is important to point out before anything else that, if you are a (sigh) "True Believer", it's nice to find places to congregate and pray together. Even if God hears no matter what, merely for the sake of the "saved" praying together has its benefits.

More technically, although you seem to have been speaking broadly, I know that the Church isn't exactly extra-biblical. After the Gospels, the New Testament is wrought with the history of the Church, or merely references.

I get the social aspect. You want to chill with people who are like you. TOTALLY respectable. I'd do the same. (Until that group started asking me for my money, telling me how to behave, telling me what's right and wrong despite what I think of the Bible)

I don't think (to the best of my recollection) that the Bible says "Thou shalt attend church at least 4 times a month in order to get into Heaven." ((I know some of are you going to come back with "But the Sabbath!" which is not "church."))

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