[DS] Chrono Trigger DS - Retards complaining about a new optional ending. Fun inside!

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Originally Posted by SuperSonic

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Frankly, if Square HAD to update the graphics to Chrono Trigger, I'd rather they not emulate the look of Final Fantasy 3 and 4 DS.

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With a port to the DS, I really don't care about any graphical polish. It's a port.

If they were doing a remake and it were for the DS, yeah, I'd be butt hurt. Why? Because I'd want the game on a freaking console.

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Hate to kill your speculation (well, no, not really), but I wouldn't get your hopes up for other games in light of Square porting Chrono Trigger.

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If you look at the strategy, it's them saying "Hey! Chrono Trigger was successful! Let's do something that won't demand too much development money that will have a high chance of profit!" There's nothing wrong with wanting to turn a profit, but bear in mind that it's also going to smash your speculation attempts at "What if Square redid that one game that led to another game that was a really huge fucking disappointment?"

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Originally Posted by Helloween

substance and creativity

Wait wait... you just asked for a remake of Radical Dreamers... a REMAKE, the antithesis of "creating." And suddenly you're harping on about substance?

Jesus Christ.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Helloween

You are aware of what Radical Dreamers was right? A text based game that was released on Satellaview. If any game needs a recreation (note i didn't say remake) it's that one. The only reason i'd want that game to be recreated is to flesh out Magus' story, as he's the character we should be looking to to continue the story.

First of all, trying to play semantics with "Recreation" and "Remake?" You don't honestly believe those terms don't represent the same principle, do you? Seriously.

Again, you're talking about Square doing things they've *GASP*, already done.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Buffet Overflow

They made Chrono Cross, and while that game was really good

You know, I'm not going to say "OMG, IT WAS TEH BAD!", but you're exaggerating CC's quality and the way it was received. It was heralded as the best thing since Jesus when it first came out, it was only later where all the cool kids looked at it with disdain.

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Originally Posted by Buffet Overflow

I recall seeing that, while it sold well here, it actually sold a lot less than expected in Japan.

None of us can really account for the Japanese game. Their version of Chrono Trigger as well as Cross are entirely different affairs from a writing standpoint. Considering what is lost in translation and such, Cross had an entire script text made so that the same lines from multiple characters would come out with just different "accents." The Japanese version, if I recall correctly, doesn't suffer (or maybe suffer as much) from this problem.

In any case, I don't think Hachifusa was actually sticking his nose up at The World Ends with You intentionally. There are many companies out there that I don't actively have an interest in, and since games cost money that I don't have oozing out of my eye sockets, I too often pass up games that might not necessarily be developed by a company I'd normally "trust."

I've gone out of my way to buy games I had a bad feeling about but wanted to give a chance, and you know what? Generally, I get disappointed rather than pleasantly surprised. There's nothing wrong with trusting your gut, and it isn't like The World Ends with You is a perfect game, either.

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I just realized something... there's potential to fuck with the original translation.

Fuck.

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Originally Posted by Buffet Overflow

Well, the GBA port was actually a port from the Neo Geo Pocket Color version, which WAS a complete re-art, if you get my drift.

Wonderswan. Neo Geo Pocket Color would have looked worse.

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More like IGNorant.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

It's not even worth counting as anything but a story event. The battle just ends after a certain amount of time passes. I'd say Nu Spekkio and Lavos at the Ocean Palace, first run through, are the toughest fights in the game.

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Zerg, there's a guy on Something Awful who beat that battle without emulation/cheating with Crono, Robo, and Frog. It's quite beatable the first time around.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Of course he freaking level grinded, and there's a video of it up on Viddler if you need visual proof.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It's Spekkio's final form, available when you meet the prerequisite level.

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Originally Posted by INDIGO-2

An extra ending could either retcon it into being properly connected with Chrono Cross, or set it up for a sequel...

And here I was thinking we tried to improve things with these remakes.

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3

Except that there's nothing saying that's what it is.

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It's like a message board delay is involved, nigga.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yeah, it'll just place it next to a steaming pile of shit. That's cool.

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3

By your opinion, son. Wah wah wah, it's different from this thing I liked. Great music, interesting tie-ins to the previous game (albeit handled in a poor manner) and great visuals.

Game was over-slagged. Get over it.

I have engaged in the debate far too many times to have you cop a "oh you just don't like it because it's a shitty sequel" crap. The game sucks. I'm sure GELB-1 will run in here to spirit some kind of defense, but the fact of the matter is that plot that sounds interesting on paper and battle systems/scenarios that either hold up at one point in the game or just don't fucking matter is more than enough to call this game a piece of crap.

Don't theory up a defense for Chrono Cross, because the game is fucking garbage and mediocre at best.

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Feel free to point out those "great" things to me, because that's me being courteous and not saying "Shit was done better in other games already." The only thing I'd give note to Chrono Cross was the Dead Sea, the "THEORY" behind Field Elements, and the soundtrack.

The game is shit.

When I say it's crap and you guys want to go "BUT IT'S NOT DIARRHEA", it's worth a chuckle.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3

The game was fun, had unbelievable music and played well. Get over the fact you don't like it and realise you're reacting like a child. We're not saying it's terrible or great, we're saying you're reactionary and kind of proving our point about how people treat the game like it killed the jews. It just didn't. I get you need to pound your chest in game discussions. I understand that. But lighten up, sport. The game just wasn't that bad.

I'm not, really. You'd love to paint it that way, but I'm not the one going "oh you", now am I? But this is where I point out 'you're not taking me seriously!', right? Do me a favor: Realize that, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I've been here before, so it's quite possibly just the tedium of arguing about what I feel and am willing to argue is such a shitty game... again. I could say the game isn't fun as much as you could say it is fun, because that aspect of video games, enjoyment, is a personal one. There are folks out there who like WakuWaku7 or King of Fighters 2000. That doesn't make the core game or even the "experience" good, well put together, and in the latter's case... well, enjoyable depending on if you actually find competition.

Maybe it's fun to you, but pulling that in this kind of discourse is what's childish, as much as I feel like I'm holding you at arm's length while your childish limbs try to pull the wool over my eyes with some personal shit you happen to know about me. That's all well and good, I can deal with that. If you want a personal account on a guy playing Chrono Cross, I actually fell asleep playing it. I don't know many games that bored me that badly, especially at 11:00am on a Saturday. I could gather in those who think the same as I do, and man, I sure bet that'd prove my point. Or I could ask loaded, cyclical questions like "Would you play it again?"

Again, you can call it whatever you want, Deni: But I'm asking you to prove what was great or redeemable in some fashion as a whole. The story is disjointed and poorly told, which is a strike against RPGs last I checked. Like I need to tell anyone who's played it that it gets plot dumped on you at the last 5 minutes of the game. The Dead Sea was an awesome event, so was the Miguel fight... but how many other moments in the game were like that? Wandering aimlessly, gathering worthless character after worthless character.

Combat was a snore, because for the most part, you could ignore the Element System outside of certain areas. I liked it when Xenogears did the point attack system, because it didn't come with the element/skill system so poorly added on. In theory, it's great... in practice, nope, not really anything special.

It was interesting, again, in theory, to have so many characters as if the game designers were trying to convey the feeling that each character was supposed to have a small piece of the scenario dedicated to them in some fashion to convey the world in an interesting manner... but frankly, that shit falls apart because the majority of them are ciphers and/or completely uninteresting save for a handful. Sprigg, Starky, El Greco, Grobyc... god, I can't even remember the majority of the 44 characters in the game because the bulk of them were so forgettable.

The dimension jumping probably would have been suited better if the game didn't take place in the same set of isles just outside of Zenan or what have you. The best part was learning that a piece of jerky is what caused Porre to conquer Guardia. That'll teach you to be altruistic.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

If the story were better told, I'd more than accept that it'd save the game. Because it does, on paper. The thing is, I didn't need Chrono Trigger to grow up with me... I think the expectation that what happened makes it "okay" is pretty slapstick. You know, the fact we're seeing a Chrono Trigger DS and not a Chrono Cross PS3/360 is where it's evident shit is wrong.

Chrono Trigger is as close to perfection as some RPGs can get. Square wants money and I'd just as soon want Square to make up for 1999/2000 and the shit many of us saw. There is no middle ground, I agree. I agree there's some cool shit in Chrono Cross, but I will never say that game is "good" or "fun to play." It all just depends on your disposition in that regard, so I'm willing to say there's a bias in me. But I sure as fuck won't let someone waltz in and go "Those people are crazy for saying that, the game is great! I liked it!" I called out the "making the connection" shit, because frankly... the game connected to it, the "experience" is just so disappointing and meandering. It's the very definition of wasted potential.

I swear, the only thing keeping my hands from clasping the necks of post creators like that is the monitor and internet between us.

Chrono Trigger doesn't need a remake, and what bothers me is doing this first, when Chrono Cross deserves another chance.

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It's like breaking the rules at school, man. Principle.

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Looks like it, Krel. Actually, could someone just confirm how Frog talks in this game?

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