George Lucas to make big announcement tomorrow!

With each new addition to the Star Wars Universe, I find myself going from loving it, to being indifferent. I don't care for a new film.

How ya doing, buddy?

So obviously there was no announcement... Gah! (He's getting it for this.) George Lucas is a hack and a slut. (There, I said it.) Why make an "announcement" if there were nothing to show for it? Oh I get it, its a make believe announcement to stir up sensationalism for the purpose of boosting sales in his fledgeling Star Wars empire... He obviously needs more money! What better way to increase sales in his latest Stars Wars themed toilets than make an un-announcement, stirring up the public into a maelstrom of eager Star Wars consumers?

Had he made an announcement, this is what he would've said;

"Hey. I'm George Lucas with a pubic service announcement. I am a commercial whore and you are the stupid consumer that wishes it were ME. I just wanted everyone to know that Star Wars was singularly, MY invention...as was Jesus Christ, the code of Hammurabi and chocolate breastmilk. Its true.

I mean, I am more popular than John Lennon! LOLZ. My time is important, and yours is obviously not, so listen up feeble humans!

I am coming out with a new line of Star Wars toilets which is meant to supplement my recent directorial efforts, the brilliant Star Wars Episodes I-III. Its just like any other toilet, except that it talks to you while you sit on the john! It says things such as "George Lucas is God" in 13 different languages. (including botchee.) Not surprisingly, this is the exact toilet I sat on while writing the script for the last 3 Star War's movies.

You WILL be buying this toilet, because you have no other choice. I made the prequels utterly indigestable. Don't like it? Buy the brand new Stars Wars suppositories. Don't forget that I could have you secretly killed by Chewbacca. Deal with it!

Bleh! I'm George Lucas! (The be all end all commercial whore.) And you are, the unwitting consumer."

Originally Posted by Thracozaag

Maybe he'll announce that he's doing a prequel to Howard the Duck.

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One could only hope.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

He didn't. A journalist misinterpreted material from the convention.

Stop being a jamrag.

Good work taking my post without a sense of humour. I was obviously extremely serious, and lord knows that this is all very serious business, this being Star Wars and all...

Just because I am not as big a Star Wars nerd as you are, doesn't mean that my commentary on Lucas is any less warranted. Your attempts to be an authority on the matter are fairly comical. When I, or anyone else happens to talk about your good buddy George in a tone that you don't like, you get defensive. What do you care?

Do you really think I should heed your advice and stop being a 'jamrag'? Take your own advice.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You're a second rate troll. Nothing more. The fact that you say that you are intelligent means very little to me and likely anyone else who realizes it doesn't take much to feign half a brain over the internet. You are far from impressive.

The fact still remains that George Lucas has lost his step since the original trilogy. Sorry. What you seem to having trouble realizing is that I was half joking in my initial post. Un-announcement or no, I appreciate the guy a lot for his sense of vision but I still think he's a douche. I guess birds of a feather flock together. Defend him all you want, I simply don't care.

Anyways, I'm done talking with you. You are now ignored, Troll.

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1)I have made a choice not to let this thread turn into a flame war, at least on my account. It is clear that Lehah has hemorrhoids and I am not interested in finding out how much he knows about Star Wars. I simply don't care. Since you seem to take so much interest in such, you'll be the first to know if this changes.

2)I don't come on the internet to argue about Star Wars. I already spent way too much time in this thread with these last few replies.

3)I am well aware of what a jamrag is. Lehah makes a number of assumptions, none of which I care to either prove or disprove as I have much better things to do with my time. I told him I was joking, and he still can't figure it out. Assume of me and him, what you will.

4)Lehah, you win the "argument". You are indeed the axiom of Star Wars. Congratulations, armchair warrior.

Originally Posted by LeHah

So -... and then you ignore everything I wrote

Indeed I did. I must say its the smartest move I've made all day.

Go flex your Star Wars muscles elsewhere. I don't care.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Alright then. I completed what was keeping me pre-occupied. I have a bit of time.

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Good work making a bad post with no humor in it.

Thats arguable. I don't think I need to explain myself to you, but I'll humour myself for a bit.

At the very least, I was amused and thats all that needs to be said about it. However, this was simply an idea you used in order to rush to the offensive. I can envision you in your room, stroking your lightsaber as you defend George Lucas from "undeserved criticism". Nevermind that. You probably thought my initial comments were a potshot aimed at you, in which case you are wrong.
I am sorry you can't tell the difference between a joke and what is not a joke. Regardless, I don't know you, nor give 2 shits about you in any way, shape or form.

Had you shown any courtesy, at any point in time, I would've been willing to at least be civil in discussion. But you ARE a troll. I know very well what a 'jamrag' is. Nice job trying to be clever. (At least you were impressed.)

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If you want something to be funny, you shouldn't open your discussions with matter-of-fact statements. Thats like reading a physics book aloud and then giving us a punchline.

My bad. I wasn't aware of the fact that all comedy has to be deemed funny by you in order to be substantial or valid. You tard.

First of all, where the hell do you get off telling someone else how to tell a joke? As if there were some right or wrong way to go about doing it. The fact that you don't find my comments funny isn't at all surprising, being the humorless, George Lucas sphincter licker that you are. FYI, a joke doesn't need to fulfill any criteria in order to be funny. Humour, like opinions, is highly variable and comes in a variety of shapes and forms. This is idea is fairly simple, yet you have already displayed a predilection for not understanding it in the least. surprise, surprise (Yes, more sarcasm aimed at your lack of understanding, since you seem to enjoy it so much)

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Add to that I didn't even see a punchline and you have all the workings of a bad post.

Lets see. How else can I put this...I don't care if you laughed at the joke or not. I don't require your approval.

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1.) The fact that I know more about the subject than you should

Yea, I am sure a lot of trivial Star War's knowledge goes a long way in your make believe world, but try asking anyone if they care. Whats more is that you hold this distinction with unabashed pride, that your numerous amounts of silly facts somehow make you a better human being because of it...
Sorry to disappoint you.

However, there is nothing objective about an opinion and your "valuable" knowledge doesn't make your opinion any more important than even the slimiest plankton on the planet.

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Similarly, I'm sure there are fans out there that would be able to tell me all sorts of crazy things I do not know about Star Wars. (As a general thing, those people are scary and should be approached with nothing less than a fireteam of Stormtroopers)

Nice disclaimer.

Now here's the kicker. You claim to know the sum of my knowledge and claim that your thoughts are therefore more valid than mine...

Tell me this. What from ANYTHING that I've posted in this thread has allowed you to witness the sum of this knowledge and come to a conclusion? Erm?

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2.) Having an opinion on a topic does not make you bulletproof. If anything, an opinion is the singular thing above all else that SHOULD be attacked/questioned/made an example of. If your opinion was that people should lick the ground at 3 pm every day, that is your opinion - but having one does not make you intelligent.

I never made the claim that any of my comments were intended to be intelligent. Then again, you have a tendency to presume a great deal beyond your capacity, don't you?

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As Harlan Ellison said, "Everyone has the right to an informed opinion."

Spare me.

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3.) The internet is full of idiots. These idiots are the same people who scream conspiracy about Babylon 5 spinoffs being canned, Enterprise not being Star Trek enough or Firefly/Battlestar Galactica/Jericho being intelligent and/or important.

You haven't really refuted this theory...is there a point to this sad, pathetic attempt at explaining your crotchety antics?

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Similarly, people piss and moan about the Star Wars prequels. Nevermind that the narative in The Phantom Menace is the strongest of the three prequels - Jar Jar is in it the most! It must be terrible!

No, you fool. You again presume to lump me together with the object of your explicit scorn. I will let you know that Phantom Menace is by far the strongest addition to that lacklustre series that you preach so highly of. That speaks nothing of how absolutely shitty the other 2 submissions are and as it were, it certainly isn't enough to keep the greater whole of the series from being vastly infantile in comparison to the first Star Wars trilogy.

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All the same people complain about the same tepid shit about the prequels. None of them bother looking at the little details in the movies -

Its only tepid shit because you don't happen to agree with it. The idea that your "knowledge" somehow makes your opinion vastly superior, is again, laughable.

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the Jedi live in an Ivory Tower (nudge nudge), The Jedi use cult indoctrinations to assimilate children (hint hint), Yoda may have perpetually lied to maintain his status on the council as his "Fear leads to anger..." is in opposition to "Trust your feelings", (wink wink).

..."OOh's and Ahh's"...? Is that what you want? I thought it was subtextual garbage. If you are insinuating that these factors keep the validity of Star Wars philosophical premise, at groundbreaking highs, then you are obviously fairly easy to amuse. I am glad it blew you away, but I can't be bothered to care.

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Closer examination in the prequels gives the audience a bevy of interesting nuances, especially with The Phantom Menace - everything is bright and happy, even slaves! (They're clean and well fed and generally happy with their lifestyle.)

Interesting to whom? Oh yea, you. Which basically is enough to say that every opinion that disagrees with your own is doomed to failure. I don't have any idea how you live on a day to day basis, but given your amorous feedback in this thread, it gives me shudders to consider.

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So shove your internet cynicism. Those of us with a functioning intelligence don't take to your baseless idology simply because you have them.

idology? No. It again, was a joke. I never claimed that anyone had to take my comments to heart. This is the difference between you and I. A joke that you neither understand nor have any predilection for laughing at, is not my problem. Sorry.

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I didn't like Hayden Christianson for Episode II. I don't think he's a bad actor (go see the movie Shattered Glass, he's quite good in it) but I think that it takes a certain actor to deliver what George Lucas wants. I'm not talking verbally either, but also in terms of physical acting (which the three actors you mentioned hit the nail on the head)

I don't get the idea that George Lucas directs the actors enough during the scene work. I watched a documentary on the original trilogy and there were many instances where Lucas basically just shouts "Action!" and expects the cast members to read his mind, the dialogue and the main gist of the scene exactly as he intends. There was quite a bit of bitching about this from cast members, because of this.

While he seemed to do well enough in the original trilogy, this is actually one of my real gripes about George Lucas directing of episodes I-III. He had phenomenal acting talent and seemed to have squandered a fair part of it.

The original actors in the original Star Wars were young, unrealized and overall hungry! They were really into their roles and they had a lot of fun becoming and developing their characters realistically. Its so easy to value the original Star Wars due to the fact that these relationships were so well developed. I think that is the main difference between the 2 sequels and a large reason why the second trilogy doesn't work for me. The way the characters approach each other simply seems unnatural. (Especially the romance between Anakin and Padme, BARF!)

The relationships of the characters seems very cold and forced. This is particularly terrible due to the fact that the love story is supposed to be a large part of the storytelling. Since the sincerity of these types of relationships sell a rather large chunk of the 'human matter' in storytelling, good chemistry and direction likely means the difference between a decent movie that inhibits a positive and natural human emotional response, and one that reaches for the stars...and takes us with them.

I believe that indifference and failure best describe the relationship between cast members in I-III. The amount of acting "talent" in I-III dwarfs the original. Therefore it seems to me that George Lucas can be blamed for not giving his actors the resources they need to create a believable relationship.

In his defense, some things are out of the hands of the director.
From the outside looking in, Hayden Christensen would apparently be a good role for Anakin based upon his ability to do well in the 'anxious, troubled teenager' role. (Case in point, role of Sam in 'Life as House') However, it seems that he, like Natalie Portman, overacted in a majority of scenes. However, the role of a directors is to work with the strengths of the actors and tailor them minutely to the character being portrayed. If the documentary was an indication of how Lucas approaches each scene, these acting failures will be attributed to George Lucas direction...or lack thereof.

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(Personally, I find the worst offender to be Natalie Portman. On one level, she's suppose to have been a proven actress by this point - but she delivers dialouge with all the enthusiasm as someone reading the ingredients off a hot dog package. It eventually culminated in her really, really bad choking scene at the end of Episode III. Her dialouge is read as stilted and almost sarcastic, as if she speaks the english language but doesn't know what she's saying, like a first year Spanish student in high school.)

I completely agree with you that Padme is a bore. Her conversation skills are clearly infantile but then again, so is the dialogue. Portman didn't have much to work with.

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Jake Lloyd is a different, trickier matter. He was, what, 8 when he made the movie? I can't blame him for not being good (because he's not) but I *can* blame Lucas and the casting director for hiring him - especially considering one of the finalists was a young actor named Haley Joel Osment.

I agree that Jake Lloyd is rather blank and vacuous...but Haley Joel Osment? That kid scares the shit out of me. He would've been perfect for that role, now that I think about it. I believe it was considered that he was too old at the time of the movie.

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The thing I don't get is that the quality of writing in the prequels is about the same level as the original Star Wars (and a lot of ROTJ). I'm not sure why people continue to hound it. Lucas is obviously not Alvin Sergent or Paddy Chayefsky - but anyone who expects that is not in his right mind anyway.

Which writing are you referring to? Are you referring to the storyline, the dialogue, the characters?

I think there is a rather obvious reason why Lucas originally skipped episodes I-III before making Star Wars: A New Hope and the sequels that followed it. The bread and butter of Star Wars lies in the original trilogy. Lucas himself has said that the writing of the original trilogy was far superior to the recent episodes. Since he wasn't sure whether or not he would get another shot at directing a film of this scope, he made the wise choice of picking the stronger of the two. The choice served him well.

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This was later changed to "We're losing sensitivity to the Force" ...and that was that. Nothing was explained except an impression that something was blocking them. What the heck was that about?

Meh. One of the other reasons I dislike George Lucas is due to the fact that he forfeited the intent behind the originals and all of the magic that made them to try to save save the vast plothole discrepancies of episodes I-III.

I felt teabagged after witnessing episodes I-III.

How ya doing, buddy?

Its fine for us to to harp on each other's posting technique and knowleddge/lack of knowledge and weighted sense of opinion earlier. I've moved on and feel no need to continue to weigh down this thread with senseless bickering over who is right or wrong.

However, I actually make an effort to bring the real discussion, Star Wars, to the forefront and now you'll have no part of it. This is just another way of you admitting that your argument wasn't all that strong to begin with.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Meh. Actors these days. Mark Hamill was nearly burned alive in a car wreck before the filming of Empire Strikes Back. What'd he do? Sucked it up and had some nads, for one thing. They rewrote the script to include an explanation for Hamill's extensive facial changes.

Liam Neeson's car hit a deer and he couldn't even make a simple appearance? I don't give a shit. Bring in the cripple! Write in a scenario in which Qui Gon gets his kneecaps busted by Yoda for being a drunk Irishmen. (Yes I realize the irony of such a statement) Let Qui Gonn roam around in a wheelchair, stabbing people's eyeballs out and stomping assholes. That would've made Episode III at least worth watching.

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Your post above was going well Rain. But you remind me of a guy in a fistfight that wants to stop fighting and yells "stop, no more" and then punches the dude in the face as he retreats. Stop being passive aggressive.

It is not a fight that I started and I simply was letting him know that I wasn't in the mood. At first I was indifferent to taking this thread seriously but I have a slight inclination towards both distraction and anger if provocation occurs. Simply, the guy was itching to make an attack on what he considered to be an "unfair" opinion that he didn't happen to agree with and then started becoming rather peevesome.

He threw a cheap shot and I took my time reciprocating in turn. Its nothing more profound than that, I'm afraid.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

it doesn't change the fact that you're egging him on and, potentially, provoking another round. Unless that's what you actually want, of course.

...It might be! I am sorry if it seems that I am an asshole...but I am. (Selectively of course.) I resent people who believe that they live in an imaginary bubble of inaccurate, self-inflation. I am actually a fairly reasonable person unless trifled...then I make it a habit to be a bubble popper.

Sorry if I am creating unnecessary headaches for you. I'll make an attempt to be a peacemaker in the thread from now on.

Cheers

Ryan

There's nowhere I can't reach.