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It isn't science.

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You guys know that if this issue comes up, you're supposed to do everything you can to stop it, right? That even if it does get through that it'll be overturned by the courts, right? That arguing until you're blue-faced on the internet isn't how you combat creation science, right?

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Originally Posted by a lurker

Not to say that you don't have a fat lot of nerve complaining about people fighting over the same hot button arguments but

I'm just not sure where Watts is pushing Creation Science.

I dunno what kind of wires got crossed, but basically Watts is saying that there isn't a massive Christian Right boogeyman out there that's forcing their agenda on the country at large.

The fact that we're having a Creationist Science debate gives credence to their ideas, because it makes it seem like it's worth debating. There's nothing to debate. Creation Science isn't science, period. The vast majority of our public school systems think so. The vast majority of Americans think so. And our courts think so.

Creation Science isn't science. That's as far as this needs to go.

Still Watts, what were you inferring about agendas and evolution in schools? Because I don't see any kind of agenda unless it involves not teaching kids properly.

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Originally Posted by Watts

It's complacent or lazy to assume that other agendas are not at work in modern day curriculum. Presenting and passing on modern day values onto the next generation.

Well, coming out of the public school system, I'm having a hard time identifying what agenda, if any, is currently at work. We're obviously not pushing for eugenics any more, and Social Darwinism went the way of the dinosaur. If anything the agenda at work is to keep people ignorant of evolution so that interested parties can claim that "it's just a theory" and not instantly be reacted to with scorn. Most everything I learned about evolution I pretty much taught myself. I can't even recall taking anything resembling a biology class in High School, and I went to a school with a high number of college-going graduates.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

I like the inference that people who believe in theological creation are people who struggle to get their GED.

I'm not saying that the kids should be dumb, our school actually had a plan to gear us for college. In many ways it was preparatory. The fact that none of us were really prepared for any field involving biology couldn't have just been a mistake.

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Last time I checked I wasn't living in Nazi Germany. Eugenics? Come on now.

Eugenics carried a tremendous stigma because of the Holocaust. Before WW2 it was illegal for the retarded to procreate.

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Originally Posted by Watts

Though I do not know if that's intentional, or just a byproduct of so many simple minded people.

Our school system was imported from Prussia. It was the intent of the social planners behind the reform to make kids uniform, it's just that nobody's really caught on or cares about it.

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

I also imagine abortion has been around ever since people figured out women are the gender that give birth to babies.

I think Cro-Magnons preferred infanticide to abortion.

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

Well, if he can figure out how to smack her on the head with a club so he can bag her, I imagine one of them would figure out if you punch her stomach enough the baby won't pop out.

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You know, Lordsword, you don't have to take the Bible literally, it wasn't made by God. Or do you take all the non-canonical gospels as equal to the gospels in the Bible?

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

That's not what Dull meant. It rained bread every morning during the exodus. They just had to pick it up every morning. You know, because they couldn't cook.

I can't make shit like that up.

I thought it rained mana because there's a surprisingly small amount of food in the Sinai.

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

I thought everyone would get that I was making a joke, but we saw how that turned out.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

What I find a problem with people who view the universe as a creationist machine and are not also Deists is that an artificial universe with its own natural laws sort of defeats the point of divine interference, unless God is a big jerk who likes to fuck with us.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I just don't think there's much point in trying to help us if the universe operates on natural laws. It'd be much more interesting to observe the universe operating on its own.

It is nice to think that we're special, but that doesn't necessarily make us God's chosen people regardless of what the Bible says.

The view of the universe as artificial is sort of necessary in a creationist perspective, because without God creating the universe, the universe would not exist. Therefore God is the state of nature.

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

The notion of a universe that is filled with purpose is supported by creation science. Everywhere science turns there is a discovery of some new system of complex order surpassing our own creative intentions. Scientists have yet to find evidence of "accidental creation".

Irrelevance of the scripture aside, wouldn't your argument here applied to its extreme mean that God itself was created?

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Originally Posted by Ridan Krad

The ultimate end of creation "science" is to try to pretend that God violating natural laws to serve his ego somehow is a logical way to manage a universe.

It is if you're God I guess, QED this thread

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