[Tournament] 2007 College Football

Well, my team, Arizona, sucks ass again so now I'm just looking for more BCS mishaps. We need it to fail time and time again so they know that playoffs are the way to go. Just look at Appalachian State, they became the two time champion through a playoff and it's obviously legit because they took down Michigan in the Big House.

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Whoa, I didn't see that play.

You know, that's a pretty good trick play they had there, but why waste it then? LSU didn't need that to beat South Carolina...why not just wait until you need it, maybe even at the end of the season?

You didn't see Boise State busting out their Statue of Liberty play against Idaho.

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Originally Posted by Trigunnerz

Fight on! And beat the Wildcats!

I don't want to play SC next week. I mean, we looked like shit today against Oregon State. And SC is gonna be pissed.

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Well, Cal is losing at home right now to Oregon State (?!?)...so...Ohio State #1? South Florida #2????

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you your national championship game: Boston College vs. Arizona State.

I wonder if that would finally get the NCAA to wake up to the absolute need for a playoff.

I was speaking idiomatically.

South Florida, by far, has the best resume of the remaining unbeatens. The other 5 have pretty much played a cupcake schedule. And I wouldn't really be impressed if BC, Kansas (up to the Big-12 title game anyway), or Hawaii went undefeated.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

If the season ended today, then, I guess it would be:

NCG: Ohio State vs. South Florida
Rose: Arizona State vs. LSU
Orange: Boston College vs. Oklahoma
Fiesta: Kansas vs. Pac-10 #2 (in all likelihood)
Sugar: South Carolina vs. West Virginia/Virginia Tech

Worst bowl season ever.

FELIPE NO

ASU hasn't played jack shit. What, do you think Kansas should be ranked ahead of everyone too?

Kansas hasn't played anyone either, but at least they blow the crap out of everyone they play. ASU has struggled against some of its lesser opponents.

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Originally Posted by SuperSonic

These BCS standings are messed up. Last week was WVU's bye week and they went down a ranking. This week was Boston College's bye week and they went up. Unless I'm mistaken, I didn't see Arizona State play this week either and they went all the way up to #4? Again, I'd rather not use WVU as an example but when they had their first loss...it was to a ranked team and they went from #5 to #13, granted that wasn't BCS standings. LSU loses to a ranked team and they go down to #4? How the hell does that work?

I'm surprised Oklahoma went down this week. They did just as well as Ohio State did, yet they dropped to #6.

Uh, West Virginia went from 9th to 7th in the BCS. And last week was the first BCS rankings so...

And you're angry that Boston College moved up from #3 to #2 after #2 lost?? I mean, what, do you just want #2 to be blank? Do you think a team deserves to move ahead of Boston College even though they didn't have an opportunity to win a game?

ASU went from 8th to 4th. The teams they jumped were: USF (who lost), Kentucky (who lost and now has 2 losses to ASU's), South Carolina (same as Kentucky), and Oklahoma (who barely squeaked by one of the worst teams in college football and has played 3 teams that already have 6 or more losses).

West Virginia dropped further than LSU because most people still feel LSU is one of, if not the, best team in the country, as is evidenced by them still getting first place votes in the AP poll despite having a loss. West Virginia lost to the only good team it has played all year long and can still get to the title game.

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Playoff system (for example):

#1 Ohio State (Big Ten Champ)
Sun Bowl
#8 UConn (Big East Champ)
-------------------------------------------Rose Bowl
#4 Arizona State (Pac-10 Champ)
Outback Bowl
#5 Oklahoma (At-Large #2)
------------------------------------------------------------Orange Bowl
#3 LSU (SEC Champ)
Sugar Bowl
#6 Oregon (At-Large #1)
-------------------------------------------Fiesta Bowl
#2 Boston College (ACC Champ)
Holiday Bowl
#7 Kansas (Big-12 Champ)

(Rotate the 4 current BCS bowls around, so the year after hosting a championship, that bowl goes to a first-round game, and then the Final Four the two years after that.)

I would watch every single game. Religiously.

Originally Posted by SuperSonic

So looking at it like this...

It's almost like you're arguing that 90% of what goes into deciding the polls should be who won and who lost. Don't look at (or give much weight to) who someone beat, who someone lost to, where, and, even more important, how good the team actually is.

I think based on this season that we could match up LSU with any team in the country and play 10 games and I think LSU would win at least 6 games against every single team.

Don't look for a second at who beat who. Isn't it possible that LSU is no worse than #4 in the country? Would you think those 7 teams that you'd put ahead of LSU would be better?

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Originally Posted by Slash

The one team that I think should be up on the rankings would be Oregon St.

They're a great team, just had a bad string of luck/confidence in a few of their 4th quarters.

They lost to UCLA at home by 34 and by 31 at Cincinnati. :\ And they probably would have been blown out by Cal if Longshore had played/been 100%. They would have at least had to go to OT if Riley didn't blow Cal's entire season for them first.

I'm a Pac-10 homer but Oregon State is solidly the 6th best team in a conference that has shown itself to be a bit of a paper tiger.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The problem with a 4-team playoff is selecting the 4 teams. The 5th-best team certainly has a better reason to whine than the 9th- or 17th-best team.

Division I-AA and II both do 16-team playoffs, Division III does 32 teams. I think you could certainly get by on a 3-week, 8-team playoff (and it would end up being the sporting event of the year, I think it would be even bigger than the Super Bowl). But the NCAA itself admits that a 4-week playoff is doable, since that is what it does in its other divisions.

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Originally Posted by russ

Last year, you basically had a fight over who would play Ohio State in the title game, between one loss Florida, one loss Michigan, and even undefeated Boise State wanted a part of it. A four team playoff would have settled that with less whining.

The problem is that, this year, who do you pick as the 4 teams? Right now, you'd have to leave off two BCS conference champions, including one team who is undefeated (Kansas).

I can't see a football playoff where each conference doesn't get one automatic bid.

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I think the thing to take away from last nights game is that both teams are extremely overrated and the ACC is a pile of shit this year.

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I think, at this point, Oregon is a better team than LSU, but I don't see them making a big enough jump in the computers or in the polls to get ahead.

Oregon may have the easiest path to the national championship game, though. They only have games at Arizona, at UCLA (good record, but absolutely terrible), and Oregon State (who, other than a rivalry game, shouldn't be difficult).

LSU still has a deceivingly dangerous game against Arkansas and the SEC championship game just to stay undefeated. Ohio State still has to beat the teams 3rd (Illinois) and 2nd (Michigan) in the Big Ten.

If I had to guess, I'd say the national championship would be Oregon vs. LSU. I just don't see Ohio State winning out. And I don't think Kansas can get there, even if they are undefeated, unless 3 of OSU, Oregon, LSU, and West Virginia lose between now and the end of the season. We could conceivably leave the only undefeated BCS conference team out of the national championship game. How insane is that?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Er, right. I meant for LSU to stay in the national championship game, which they will definitely be in if they win out.

If OSU and LSU win out, they will be playing the national championship. Oregon won't be able to catch them because their computer numbers won't be good enough and Kansas is only going to move up to 6th in the polls this week so they can't make up the ground fast enough.

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I don't know that anyone is making the argument right now that the Pac-10 is better. Sure, earlier in the season, but some teams have fallen off the radar (then again, everyone seems to notice Cal's demise more than South Carolina's).

Oregon and LSU are comparable. Hell, sure, you can say the SEC is better, but, then again Oregon isn't just squeaking by in all its games like LSU is (and when you watch both teams, Oregon actually does look better). Oregon's one loss came when the ball was about half an inch from being a touchdown, and they only have one other win (to USC) that was even within a touchdown.

Plus, look at your list. The first two teams you listed, the teams with the best records in the SEC East, LSU doesn't even have to play in the regular season. To win the Pac-10 you play every single Pac-10 team.

At any rate, the Pac-10 is head and shoulders above everyone in college basketball this year. :P

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You realize, of course, that Oregon hasn't played a single team worse than Tulane, Middle Tennessee, and Louisiana Tech. I bet they'd be happy having 3 such gimmes on their schedule. Oregon's non-conference schedule was the 3rd best team in the WAC, the 3rd best team in Conference USA, and Michigan in Ann Arbor.



Anyway, so, here is an interesting little BCS wrinkle. Right now, it is nearly impossible to fill all the spots.

LSU (BCS #1) goes to the NCG #1.
Oregon (BCS #2) goes to the NCG #2.
Ohio State (Big Ten champ) automatic Rose #1.
Virginia Tech (ACC champ) automatic Orange #1.
Kansas (Big-12 champ) automatic Fiesta #1.
Oklahoma (At-Large #1) replaces LSU as Sugar #1.
Arizona State (At-Large #2) replaces Oregon as Rose #2.
West Virginia (Big East champ) selected as Orange #2.

At this point, we have 2 spots left. The two most important things here is that at-large teams must be in the top 14 and no conference can have 3 or more teams. In my scenario above, this means Missouri, Texas, and USC are eliminated from consideration.

Left for the 3 spots: Georgia, Florida, Virginia

So we assume Fiesta takes Georgia or Florida (the other being eliminated as a 3rd SEC team) and Sugar takes Virginia. Virginia is the very last team eligible for an at-large berth.

#15 right now is Clemson, and if Clemson were to switch places with Virginia, there would be no team eligible for the final Sugar Bowl slot. There is absolutely nothing in the BCS rules that governs a scenario on what to do if there aren't enough eligible at-large teams.

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Non-BCS conference teams have to get to the top 12.

I misspoke a little, because for some reason I was putting Clemson in the SEC. But the fact remains that we are one SEC, Pac-10, or Big-12 team away from fucking up the entire BCS formula.

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Every Arizona home game I went to this year, they lost.

Every Arizona home game I didn't go to this year, they won.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Don't look now, but if ASU loses to USC and Arizona (wholly possible) and UCLA beats Oregon (no Dixon) and USC (also wholly possible), UCLA is guaranteed to go to the Rose Bowl.

Yes, a 7-5 team in the Rose Bowl. A team that is not likely to even be ranked in the BCS standings could get into a BCS bowl.

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No, it would be worse if Oklahoma won the Big-12 championship and Ohio State got into the national championship. Either Big-12 team would blow the crap out of OSU and their shitty Big-10 schedule.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Also, if I was a voter, I would only drop LSU down to 4th. No way in hell OSU should get into the title game over LSU. Two triple overtime losses?

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LSU lost to two very good SEC teams in triple overtime. One was on the road to a team that was 5-1 and playing some of the best football in the country up to that point. The other was to a team that probably has the best football player in college on it.

Ohio State lost to an average Illinois team at home. OSU doesn't have a single noteworthy victory on its entire schedule. It walked through the easiest BCS conference, and the only reason they would move up is because they didn't have an opportunity to lose a game this week. Why should OSU move up because the team above them lost? Who is to say that if OSU had a game scheduled in the last two weeks of the season, it wouldn't lose? LSU still might have to play another Top 10 BCS team (they beat the living shit out of the one they faced this year already, Virginia Tech).

If you're going to start looking at who lost to whom, you have to look at the entire schedule. I'd say every team in the BCS Top 10 would go 11-1 with OSU's schedule, and half of them probably would have gone 12-0.


Also, this is only Hawaii's 2nd game against a team with a winning record...and the other one is 6-5. If they wanted to be in the BCS like Boise State was last year, they should have played someone other than 1-11 Northern Colorado, 2-9 UNLV, 4-7 Washington, and a I-AA team that is 5-6.

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Crazy day.

What I assume this week's poll will be:

1 Missouri
2 WVU
3 OSU
4 LSU
5 Georgia
6 Kansas
7 Virginia Tech
8 Oklahoma
9 USC
10 ASU
11 Florida
12 BC
13 Hawaii
14 Illinois
15 Tennessee
16 Oregon
17 Texas
18 Wisconsin
19 Virginia
20 Clemson

That's probably as far as anyone has even a chance of getting into the BCS.

I think Missouri beats Oklahoma. I think LSU beats Tennessee. I think Virginia Tech beats Boston College. I think Oregon loses. I think everyone else wins (I'll even let ASU win for the sake of argument...but even if they didn't, they probably won't fall out of the Top 14 due to the losses by Boston College, Tennessee, and Oregon).

Last poll:

1 Missouri
2 WVU
3 OSU
4 LSU
5 Georgia
6 Kansas
7 Virginia Tech
8 USC
9 ASU
10 Florida
11 Oklahoma
12 Hawai'i
13 Illinois
14 Boston College

So my final guess going into next week, assuming I have the BCS rankings right:

NCG: Missouri (Big-12 Champ/BCS #1) vs. West Virginia (Big East Champ/BCS #2)
Rose: USC (Pac-10 champ) vs. Ohio State (Big Ten Champ)
Orange: Virginia Tech (ACC Champ) vs. Georgia (At-Large #2)
Fiesta: Oklahoma/Kansas (At-Large #1) vs. ASU (At-Large #3)
Sugar: LSU (SEC Champ) vs. Hawaii (Non-BCS Automatic Qualifier)

If Missouri loses:

1 WVU
2 OSU
3 LSU
4 Georgia
5 Kansas
6 Virginia Tech
7 Oklahoma
8 Missouri
9 USC
10 ASU
11 Florida
12 Hawaii
13 Illinois
14 BC

So in this scenario:

NCG: #1 WVU (Big East Champ/BCS #1) vs. #2 Ohio State (Big Ten Champ/BCS #2)
Rose: USC (Pac-10 Champ) vs. Illinois (At-Large #1)
Orange: Virginia Tech (ACC Champ) vs. Georgia (At-Large #2)
Fiesta: Oklahoma (Big-12 Champ) vs. ASU (At-Large #3)
Sugar: LSU (SEC Champ) vs. Hawaii (Non-BCS Automatic Qualifier)


How about this for some crazy shit:

If Oklahoma beats Missouri,
if Pitt beats WVU,
and if LSU loses to Tennessee (or drops farther than I would imagine this week):

It is entirely possible the championship will be Ohio State vs. Georgia, a team which didn't even play in it's own conference championship game.

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Also, a 7-5 UCLA team goes to the Rose Bowl if it beats USC, if ASU loses, and if Oregon beats Oregon State.

Jam it back in, in the dark.