[General Discussion] Suikoden Club v7!

Fucker! Beat me to it.

I'm playing V at the moment. It's alright, I guess.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Hachifusa

The Japanese version, Generic Badass?

Is the battle system nice?

Yeah, no other version to play.

The battle system is good by Suikoden standards, which means "average, turn-based battle system" for everyone else. The best part of the game would probably the story, even if I don't like it too much.

It's nice to see a bunch of new nations pop up.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

It was released on the 23rd last month, along with V.

All they did was put more onscreen at once to make use of the widescreen format of the PSP. I heard some dungeons were tweaked a little because of that, but that's about it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Good lord, you butchered that.

Her name is Windy, the boss is the Golden Hydra, their status went from "deceased" to "missing" (causing the doubt), and Lepant became the president of Toran. They overthrew the Empire and put in a Republic.

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Suikoden III, in the one or two times it mentions it, refers to it as Toran (you may be thinking of the Dunan Republic being referred to as Jowston, due to the history book). As for Tactics, it's like you said-- it's a prequel, so it hasn't been overthrown yet.

If you've played III, you might remember when Sheena throws out the idea to meet Lepant, seeing as he's the president. Then Freed spazzes out, saying Toran is just the new face of the Scarlet Moon Empire and should still be their bitter enemy.

I was speaking idiomatically.

They're both right for those, and Unknown Man appears to be Amada. You might have found him in the Meeting Hall because of the plot-point where you need a skilled seaman to take you to Two River.

How ya doing, buddy?

It'll explain a lot in Suikoden V, and you'll be able to get some nice little references in it.

Not to mention it's almost a must if you're going to play Suikoden Tactics, which is a pretty good game.

FELIPE NO

I'm not the biggest supporter of V, but I'd do it.

I've already got my av/sig combo.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Oddly enough, there hasn't been much in the way of information on the game-- a full guide for recruitment didn't come out until just recently, in fact. Fucking hard as hell to try to recruit characters when you have to go of off hearsay.

You can't get the damn game spoiled even if you search. Except--


This is a really major spoiler, so I don't recommend reading it unless you've beaten the game and/or don't care.

Spoiler:

Lyon and Sialeeds, respectively the Prince's bodyguard and aunt, die if you fail to recruit all the Stars of Destiny.

How ya doing, buddy?

Never saw what the big deal with Richard was. You give anybody a Fury/Double-Strike/Violence/Boost (pick any two or three) combo, and they're going to stomp the piss out of people. Shit, I gave Zerase a Boost Rune and she was doing as much damage as Dinn while I was on my way to Sable.

The person I'm finding to be quite useful is Yahr. Sure, his portrait is goofy as hell, but replacing Belcoot with him as my one front-liner seems to be working out. His Angry Dragon doesn't do as much as Belcoot's Falcon, but the trade-off is that Yahr isn't Unbalanced by his personal rune. He also gets level 4 magic, which I don't think Belcoot can get even if he's level 99.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Well, when you have heavy armor equipped, what's the big difference between dodging and having a character with 350 HP take 3-15 damage?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The choice between those two has no bearing on other characters. You can choose either, and still get all 108 Stars of Destiny.

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Map difference:

The difference is that the new mini-map is far more detailed. All the original one did was show if a town was nearby, while this one shows the actual geography and all that.

How ya doing, buddy?

You... you can't be serious. How is the mini-map a spoiler?

I won't actually argue to have the edit undone, but I fail to see the reasoning.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Until the end? Definitely.

FELIPE NO

You did bring Jeane along, right?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

We have no idea which Stars you're missing, so we can't exactly offer any hints. You should give the names of the Stars (like Chikai, Chibi) if you want help.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Hey, dude, I don't think he knows that much about the ending. I think a yes or no answer would have been better.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

The underlings do not have to be defeated to win the battle, no.

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There are (or at least were) two development teams. The team that did Suikoden III was busy with OZ when IV was in development, and if V's team was the same as IV's, then that means III's team is still missing.

And I must be the only person here who didn't think V was all that great. Solid, but not up to my standards for the series.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Cetra

Let me see if I can dig up the development list for Suikoden V again. But yes there were two Suikoden teams, the main Suikoden Team and the Suikogaiden team. Most of the Suikogaiden team was brought over to the main team after the mass exodus during the development of III. What was left of the main Suikoden and the Suikogaiden team was then officially merged to work on IV, and finally the team for IV was re-organized and some new people were brought in for V.

Suikogaiden team? Exodus? What is this nonsense you speak of, sir?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by GoldfishX

I remember hearing something about that awhile back...The lead designer quit in the middle of 3 or something of that ilk? Any stray details you can spare, please...

That's just one guy; Yoshitaka Murayama. An exodus involves many people, which I've never heard before.

Also, he actually quit right when they were wrapping up Suikoden III.

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This doesn't factor in OZ, which was being developed at the same time as Suikoden IV.

FELIPE NO

But you said the "remnants" of the III team were merged with the Suikogaiden team to make the IV team. Now you're saying that no one from the development of III is around, and that the current team is entirely new (made up of Suikogaiden's or whatever)? That doesn't make any sense.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Cetra

Yoshitaka Murayama + some software development staff leaves ->
Tomonori Matsugawa + other software development staff moved in to oversee finish of Suikoden III project ->
Suikoden III released ->
Entire Suikogaiden creative (small) and development staff (large) merged with Suikoden III creative staff (large) and development staff (small) ->
Suikoden IV creative phase project starts ->
Suikoden IV development phase starts + staff size increased ->
Former Suikoden III creative staff leave Suikoden IV project and start OZ project (note this is normal, their work for the most part on the project was complete) Tomonori Matsugawa takes the lead of this project as well as continuing GSIV work->
New development staff established for OZ (maybe some from the Suikoden IV project, who knows)->
Suikoden IV Released ->
OZ Released ->
Suikoden IV staff hires new art director and scenario writer to replace loss of Suikoden III creative staff
Suikoden V starts development ->
Suikoden V released.

Some of the times you have listed directly contradict what Junko Kawano has said in the past, so a source for this would be appreciated. A source for this staff exodus would be nice as well, as Murayama's departure is generally thought to've been a personal matter; not some sort of group walk-out.

How ya doing, buddy?