A question of Morality

Originally Posted by Gumby

So the atheists of GFF, what guilds your morals of what are right and wrong?

You understand that right and wrong are constructed before they are obtained, so you try to make the best decision possible through observation and analysis. Would I want someone to fuck me out of my money and identity? No, so what gives me the right to do it to somebody else? And more importantly, why would I need someone to tell me not to selfishly fuck people’s identities to begin with?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Gumby

Not everyone sees stealing as wrong. Some people see it as a way to make a living. Otherwise we wouldn't have the massive problem with theft that we do.

People who are perfectly willing to do identity theft are probably doing it out of both the need to survive and desperation, not so much because they don’t see anything ‘wrong’ with it. If they don’t see anything wrong with it, it’s just the result of that survival instinct and desperation. If it's not this, it's a result of some other unhealthy mind state, like getting a rush out of it. Think about it, would a healthy, well off person feel the need to steal identities based of the simple premise that they don’t' see it as wrong?

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I'm sure their reasoning is some self justifying/entitlement bullshit, but that is besides the point.

My man, you're thinking backwards in my opinion. How in the world is this besides the point? To focus on the idea that they don’t see it as wrong is to focus on the effect and not the cause. If you don't figure out the cause of why something is happen, how can you expect to fix the problem? Only thing you can do is acknowledge what's wrong, then what? Should it just go away now?

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Ok lets open this up. What if the identity/wallet was someone you knew... and hated/strongly disliked? Would your actions still be the same as they would for a complete stranger?

If it was just hate, then yes, I would. I find that when I hate something it's usually a result of me not understanding it well enough. So my course of action (after I get over the fact that I'm mad) is to attempt to understand it better. But realistically this would really depend on a lot of conditions. For example, if I hated the person because they fucked me over in that past, then I might consider it. But it still would depend on how many variables are in the picture. How bad did they screw me? If I get even, do I effect more than just him, like his family? What's my current situation, do I need to get even or am I just being childish and petty? Etc.

There's nowhere I can't reach.