Why do some people regard nintendo as "kiddy"
 

This is just my mind speaking but I just went to a "console" type LAN yesterday and I found it quite surprising how many ps2 and Xbox consoles there were. After a couple of minutes I barely found any cubes. Noticing this i asked around and i found it quite surprising how many people said Nintendo is for little kids. I’m 15 and I’m a fan of Nintendo.

What your opinions on this matter?

BTW sorry if i posted in the wrong area :).

Well, it's true. Nintendo Games are mainly made for kids. I don't understand why people can't just accept it.

It's so pathetic how whenever someone says "Nintendo R kiddy!!!" then someone comes in and says "Blah Blah Blah Castlevania, Killer 7, etc".

Well, of course there's always going to be some games targeted towards the older audience but it doesn't change to fact that the system is mainly for kids.

Sure, Nintendo games are targeted for kids, but I'm tired of people thinking that they are more mature for playing non-Nintendo games. All that does to me is prove that they are immature elitist pricks that can't play a game because its good or fun.

So yeah, the games are designed to target kids, but they are also (normally) of a quality that all ages can enjoy equally.

- WraithTwo -

I don't find them to be kiddie, I just think they are designed to have mass appeal. Just like a G-rated movie is made to appeal to 'general audiences', a lot of Nintendo's games are made to appeal to people of all ages. But of course, there are ignorant people out there who think G-rated movies are only made for kids, and Nintendo games the same. They're are not skewing to a younger crowd, but rather a more general crowd.

And even if they were making games for a kiddie audience, who cares if they're still good games? Regardless of people's personal opinion about them, they still manage to get good reviews (from critics who are mostly adult), good sales, and a loyal fanbase (composed of people of all ages). If you want to hate on someone for making kiddie games, at least hate on the developers that flood the market with low quality games designed around stupid characters (Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network characters) instead of good gameplay.

I like Nintendo.

That being said, it's obviously the "Disney" of the gaming world.

Just look at their approach to online DS gaming. It's very restricted, and only for the reason of "ooooh, watch out for Internet predators and bad language!"

Well said. however Little kids these days are more attracted to violence, theyre too insecure to be associated with "Kiddy Nintendo" so while Nintendo might give a younger image with it's more cartoony characters and upbeat games, the younger audiences are still attracted to PS2 and Xbox.

Nintendo will NEVER stop being Kiddy until they give Mario a gun for no reason.

If Shadow could pull it off (right into the dump) then so can Mario!

Long live pointless Violence! GO AMERICA!

"Kiddy" is a blatant term given to the company by people who can't respect that Nintendo makes games directed at all ages and playable by all ages for the most part.

Because you know, YOU'RE NOT A REAL GAMER IF YOU DON'T PLAY GAMES WITH BLOOD, GORE, SEX, AND VIOLENCE IN THEM HRHRHR!

Mario Party games with four people are just as fun as HALO is at times, and the "fun" is what counts.

Why were you expecting to find some Cubes at a LAN party? If you're talking about linking them up it'll cost you some exorbitant amount for broadband adapters etc.

I'd say 70% of people who play games (a lot of games; gamers, in other words) have psychological problems regarding their self-confidence, personal image, etc. Whether or not they want to admit it, they're often ugly and geeky and a far way away from sexually desirable. Freudian problems.

So they want to perceive themselves as cool, sexually appealing, the winner. And, quite frankly, being Master Chief or Cloud or Solid Snake seems a whole lot cooler than being a short, chubby Italian who likes jumping.

I'd attribute this especially to the success of RPGs, dating back to D&D (God how I hated hearing about someone's level blah blah character who could do blah blah). And this is not some overt thing, this stems from really deeply rooted psychological perceptions of one's self. I doubt anyone who does this would admit it, or very likely even realize that they're doing it.

That's not why Nintendo is considered kiddie. It's just why so many people insist on saying it so damn often.

Personally, I wouldn't say Nintendo is kiddie. Shows like Barney, the Teletubbies, and whatever the hell kids watch nowadays, that's kiddie. It's something that a child can watch but an adult cannot bear to, because it's made exclusively for children.
Nintendo is more similar to Disney, dinosaurs, Alice in Wonderland, something along those lines, in the sense that they're equally appreciable by all.

Because people like you keep brining up the topic? I dunno.

There are ZERO games that nintendo has published which have the rating of EC (early childhood). As hostile said...the problem with poeple talking like this is usually a issue of self-confidence or "image" in their group of friends.

maybe because shadow has always been a dark character? gee i dunno... -___-

My Level 21/21 Half-Elf Cleric/Ranger would kick your ass, so shut up jock-face. ...What? But no, really, that is probably part of the reason. Everyone to a certain degree feels this way, though, not just "geeky/ugly" people.

made also for family and friends...I think. We have many fun with playing Gamecube and Nintendo 64. We are 20-26.

Do you really need to ask, when the company has games like Nintendogs and Nerd Crossing.

Megalith is an idiot, but he's right here. Nintendo clearly markets to a less mature audience. Just look at their ad campaigns. With the exception of the Advance SP as the "Second best thing to do in the dark" pitch, they almost always go for the 10 to 20 crowd. Doesn't mean the games aren't awesome, man. I love Mario Party and the sports games. But they're more fun oriented and less serious.

Some people who dislike Nintendo games call them kiddy, it's just their way of informing the world that they are not a pedo!

GameCube is kiddy because it's a purple lunchbox full of sunshine. N64 was cool because it was black and had slick aerodynamics.

Double Post:
Nerd Crossing is for girls, not kids!

FLUDD should have been called FUCK and shot blood instead of water in Super Mario Sunshine. Which would be renamed to Super Mario X-Treme Beach Violence. Also, Peach would get covered in paint and raped by those palm tree freaks while Yoshi does absurd things with his tounge. The only hardcore thing you could do in the game was steal pineapples from the market. Palm tree freaks were probably too confused to know what's going on.

Oh Nintendo, why am I not in charge or your childish company? I would do excellent things. :(

Comparing Nintendo to Sega is like comparing Bush to Kennedy. In this case, Bush would be Nintendo.

I'm sure if Nintendo named the 64 the Ultra 64, and the Gamecube as Project Dolphin, they would be more popular. But not by much. The only really "mature" games I can think of in the history of Nintendo are Eternal Darkness, Killer 7 and Resident Evil series. All of which can be disregarded if you're not into those things.

Nintendo titles and products have always put kids first, and that's why the majority of people here (1985~90 crowd) still stick with them. If I was new to the gaming scene, I'd probably disregard buying a Gamecube immediately, after seeing the amount of range on other consoles. After all, you're going to purchase a console for it's games, not for the actual console itself.

Back in the day, I followed the Megadrive crowd around. Not that there was an actual "crowd" or even a group of people, but there was still the SNES and NES scene, which all glared at, like some black person with blonde hair.

I ended up purchasing a Gamecube when the price dropped awhile back, and so far I've only managed to buy a single game for it. Value for money? No, obviously not. The same applies with my xbox, except I've been renting and downloading them as it's modded so it's a little different.

You're lucky Nintendo aren't aiming at the 85~90 crowd still, otherwise everything would consist of first person shooters and 3D fighting games.

I think the issue is how so many gamers tell themselves that a game being child-friendly is somehow bad. Where Nintendo tried to make games the whole family could enjoy, most pro-nintendo gamers dub the games childish instead of wide appealing.

It's true that some Nintendo games can be a bit too sugary sweet for my taste (Kirby titles outside Canvas Curse for instance), but even then that's only a problem if the gameplay is simplified and made specifically for children, which isn't usually the case. Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga and Minish Cap both appear "childish" to an ignorant viewer, but the content itself is most rewarding to a more experienced gamer with knowledge of titles the games are referencing.

And I bet you'rre just ready to take on the world, kid!

Fake gamers call Nintendo "kiddy."

People who actually play games don't care what age group a game is targeted to, they just play it because they like it.

I don't get this, how can you just disregard them?

"Nintendo only has kiddy games, except for the games that are aimed at older audiences, but I don't like them so they don't count."

You guys do know that the Mario with a gun comment was a joke right?

I used to love Disney, but now I hate them. I used to love Nintendo, and I still do. I sure don't care if a game is 'kiddy' or not. If a game is fun, who cares what the game is targeted at? I enjoy both 'kiddy' and 'mature' games.

I guess Rampage can be considered a 'kiddy' game, and I'll be buying it tomorrow :D

Nintendo is not the "Disney" of Videogames. Square Enix is. Quite literally, in fact.

The "kiddy" label Nintendo has been stuck with is the result of a false dichtomoy, in that there are two extremes and no middle ground. Either the game is "mature" and has blood, swearing, and sex, or it features none of those things and is deemed "kiddy" by elimination.

It does not matter if Nintendo tries to shake the "kiddy" label, nor are they ever very successful. Conker's Bad Fur Day didn't do it. Eternal Darkness didn't do it. Both were violent and one was filled with raunch. But herein seems to be a common element.

It is not that those that desire "mature" games from Nintendo want them to publish mature games. That is not sufficient. Nor is it sufficient if they actually develop them. That is also not enough. They want to see Mario do it. And that is not going to happen. They want to see Link have a threesome with Zelda and whatever other female is at hand. That is not going to happen, ever. They want hours of voice acting, overbearing pointless plotlines, long frequent cinemas, or whatever other shallow "production value" can be thought up on short notice. I certainly hope that does not happen.

The reason these things should not and hopefully will not happen is because of the dedicated, semi-dedictaed, and casual fans of these said series appreciate the resistance to the temptation of increasingly violent and profane production values. Myself, for example. I know for a fact if the Zelda coming up for the Cube/Rev/whatever pull the stunt Prince of Persia did, or was anything at all like God of War, I would dislike it and probably not purchase it. What is not known is if the groups of people that blew off Zelda for being "too kiddy" for them will instantly convert once they see the new hard-edged one specifically tailored to their demographic. I personally think they would not. And so Nintendo would have risked their assured majority of fans who silently appreciate their work to grab a small, miniscule group of people who may or may not enjoy the change.

As a case study, Jak and Daxter. Jak and Daxter started off as a playful, E-rated, quasi-colorful humorous adventure. Then it went all Hulk and GTA and Ninja on everybody. And as such, its sales diminished each time until it resorted to copying Mario Kart, a crime Naughty Dog is guilty of twice.

There is no question that there are some games Nintendo has made that do not display gratuitous violence and overly sexual themes. But as a perespective on this, a majority of Steven Spielburg's movies are PG and PG-13, and he was even the creator of several cartoons, and nobody heaped crap on him and called him "kiddy" when he did so.

I guess I suppose I would rather Nintendo be treated the same as Steven Spielburg is.

(tl;dr Anybody that calls Nintendo "kiddy" is a moronic teenager who's testicles have not descended yet or a severely developmentally challenged young adult with social issues)

That's kinda how his mind works at times. "The Gamecube has no games worth buying, except these games, but I won't buy them, and these titles here are also out on the PS2."

Since we're talking extremes, if the only mature games are Resident Evil 1, 4, Killer7 and Eternal Darkness, does that mean that Viewtiful Joe, Metroid Prime and Spartan: Total Warrior are kiddie instead? The term kiddie is a crime because most people dish it out based on visuals alone and almost never based on the content. If a title's gameplay is overly simplified and streamlined towards a younger audience, even I'll deem it childish.

But consider something like Warrior Within. Similar (somewhat) gameplay as in Sands of Time, a wonderfully mature title both aesthetically and contentwise, yet the tacky "grit" and focus on violence and fighting made WW feel far more juvenile and childish in that sense. Similarly, Metroid Prime and Viewtiful Joe don't "look" mature in that sense, but the content and gameplay is certainly not something I'd recommend to kids. Not because there's something explicit there or anything like that.

No.

If I don't like them, I disregard them. But that's just that - as the majority of Gamecube games are aimed at kids, over adults. Much like I disregard 3D fighting titles. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just the majority of 2D fighters have one up over on them.

There's still a decent amount of games worth buying for the Gamecube, but most of them would be Pikmin, SSBM, you know, game titles which are aimed at kids. It isn't a bad thing, but I'm sure that Eternal Darkness and Killer 7 are good games (I haven't played either so far, and I have no intention to, as I'm not really into horror/violent games. This applies to Silent Hill (after 1) Project Zero/Fatal Frame series, Siren series and so forth) but they're just not in my interest like others.

And that's it, really. The majority of people are more likely to choose cartoonish, animeish games over horror titles, for their kids and for themselves.

"Comparing Nintendo to Sega is like comparing Bush to Kennedy. In this case, Bush would be Nintendo."

How so? In the sense that Kennedy is dead and Bush isn't?

Look guys, if Nintendo wasn't held back by their need to be family-friendly, we would have gotten a much better online DS service.

Instead, you have to use "friend codes," and you can't choose a game to enter (no lobby system)... it's frustrating.

Yeah, they really better address that issue for Revolution. We better have accounts that we can log into or something because friend codes on a console just won't cut it. Built in buddy list into the system or something.

"Instead, you have to use "friend codes," and you can't choose a game to enter (no lobby system)... it's FREE."

You had a typo there, sir.

Guess what, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (PSP) has a much better online service, and it's free.

Just because it's free doesn't mean they can't do it.
AND Just because it's free doesn't mean we can't complain about it.

Explain how Pikmin is "kiddy." But you are forbidden from using the following reasons:

1. It's rated E. So are Gran Turismo 4 and Madden. This reason is meaningless.
2. It has rich, colorful graphics as opposed to murky browns. Killer 7 had bright graphics too.
3. The lack of violence. Once again, no violence in something like Gran Turismo.
4. The lack of sexuality. If this makes a game kiddy, the list of the guilty gets quite long.

I eagerly await your answer, Elixir.

Actually it has one gigantic glaring flaw. It requires the purchase of Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (PSP). Mediocre PS1 games do not suddenly become great once they get demoted to the PSP.

Woah, woah, woah.

First of all, it's an amazing, ORIGINAL game. It's not a remake/port of Syphon Filter 1, if that's what you're thinking.

Secondly, there are no free online Nintendo games. You still need to buy Metroid Prime Hunters or Mario Kart DS or Animal Crossing DS, ALL of which are also handheld spin-offs of their main series. We're talking about the aesthetics here. Stuff that you'd be embarrassed to be seen playing in front of non-gamers.

So... what's the point you're trying to get across here?

Also, don't try to say that Pikmin isn't an example of a kiddy game. It has chibi characters and cute sound effects. I'd also say that Katamari Damacy is a kiddy game in that respect, even though adults play it.

It's all in the aesthetics. We're talking about games that you'd be embarrassed to be seen playing in front of non-gamers.

"Just because it's free doesn't mean they can't do it.
AND Just because it's free doesn't mean we can't complain about it."

Alright. I don't really care, because I loath playing games online. It's like the internet came and ruined a perfectly good game.

I could only conceive of using online for one reason: playing Revolution and DS games with my friends (pietriots and real friends) who own the games.

So far, no DS games with online interest me, so I haven't played them. And the PSP just plain doesn't interest me. But the friend code idea doesn't bother me because I would vastly prefer playing alone to playing with some god-forsaken online gamers.

Now that's just me, and I hope Nintendo develops their online system (especially for Rev) for all those unfortunate souls who seem to enjoy online gaming (your life is worth more than that, seriously).
All that said, I was joking about the typo thing.

Edit: "You still need to buy Metroid Prime Hunters or Mario Kart DS or Animal Crossing DS, ALL of which are also handheld spin-offs of their main series."

I've never played AC: WW, but MP:H is a wholly original game, as original as Syphon Filter: PSP Rocks or whatever the subtitle is, and Mario Kart DS (while it does reuse some tracks for nostalgic purposes) has enough original content to make up a new game, and then some.

I take it you've never played Dark Mirror, Deguello?

My point is that Syphon Filter sucks ass, period. Each one was a gigantic pile of bleh and Dark Mirror is no exception. It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear.

And the game being terrible might also have something to do with it.

Did I mention it's terrible?

Do you have a PSP.
Have you played the game.

Don't lie now, or you'll have lost even more respect.

This, my friends, is what's known as "backpedaling" in an argument.
"Oh, well online games suck anyhow, I was joking when I said the first thing, etc..."

And yes, I own MP: Hunters, and it kicks ass. However, I never said it was only a port/remake of Prime on the GC. I said it was a spin-off of the main series. Plus, it has a shittily-short single-player mode and the best part of the game is the multi-player/online play.

I have played a PSP several times. And I have played the game, and it is a dog.

Ahaha good gravy, who should I care for?

Uh oh, Deg, watch out. You might lose respect on the internet.

"It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear."

And I don't even like Metal Gear. :tpg:


I'd also like to point out that Pikmin features ranks of innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts, as well as undertones indicating the positive qualities tyrrany.

Edit:
I never said Mario Kart DS or MP:H were good, you may note. I've never played the full version of MP:H, only the demo, and I've never played Mario Kart DS online. I was merely affronted by the implication (and it was ever so present, deny it or not) that Syphon Filter was somehow more original than those games.
You called Syphon Filter original and the Nintendo games spin-offs. The implication was there.

Have you played Mario World or Kirby?

What do Yoshi and Kirby do to their enemies?

Geez, saying a cartoony act of violence is "innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts" is hilarious.

Asking for you not to lie is because it's pretty obvious that you are a Nintendo fanboy (or a troll), and it's quite hard to argue with a fanboy. I'm trying to give you the chance to back up your opinions instead of simply spouting "yeah, well, I played it and it sucked, so it must be a horrible game."

"Geez, saying a cartoony act of violence is "innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts" is hilarious."

Thanks. Because, y'know, that was a joke.

How is it a poor man's game when they all cost the exact same? Not to mention they're all different games, and have very little similarity gameplay wise. In fact, Syphon Filter isn't even in the stealth genre.

Oh I get it though, since it's on Sony's PSP, it must suck. Since you know, it's not Nintendo.

That excuse is already wearing thin.

How about you stop making "jokes" and start backing up your claims. To disregard what you said as a joke is to run away from your original argument.

And although Deguello doesn't seem to like Syphon Filter, its rating on http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/920798.asp seems to support the claim that it's a "good" game. Apparently you're one of the few that doesn't like it.

And basing your opinion of a single game off of the games that preceded it is pretty narrow-minded.

An excuse? Do you understand the concept of humor? How could tyrannical undertones in Pikmin be taken seriously?
I don't think you get it. I wasn't making an original argument. I consider Pikmin a game that's child-friendly. Not kiddy, because I'm not a kid and I enjoy it.

I've made two claims. Everything else was a joke, and obvious jokes at that.
Those claims are:
1. I don't like online gaming, and will only use it to play with friends.
2. Mario Kart DS and MP:H are original games, at least as original as Syphon Filter: PSP Rocks.

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Deg in the latter part of that last post, because I've never played Syphon Filter (any of them), and I never claimed to. So I wouldn't know.

I'm not even sure what claims you're talking about. I'd like you to lay out your argument clearly so I know what these claims are that you're making up.
Also, if it helps, I can go back through the thread and put :tpg: by every joke I made.

HostileCreation pretty much nailed it in his first post, it's very much an insecurity thing among gamers. Although I'm still happy to see games like Kingdom Hearts succeed on the PS2.

Which was basically the second coming of Christ in the gaming world, and one of the few games that can hook me back in for a month or so straight each year, even after owning it at launch nearly five years ago. If Nintendo had meant it for kids then they kind of messed up with the Teen rating, although I always questioned how it got that.

I loved the game and spent 20+ hours on it. I'm curious as to why you found it bad. The game's the best FPS on handhelds today in my opinion.

Also, please name what you think is the best game on both PSP, and DS.

I have an 11 year old step brother who plays both the X-box and PS2. Obviously all systems are created to appeal to some crowd--age demographic completely exempt because it's fucking capitalism. They want to sell as many systems and games to as many people as they can.

Holy Hell what is up with the retarded debating going on, here.


All the while, I grew up with atari and nintendo. So fuck you guys >=|

Sadly the control scheme and gameplay of Pikmin is too much for most kids to handle, but the kiddy presentation is still not lost, for I appreciate its magical style! Plus the soundtrack kicks ass.

OK OK.....

I have to say that while I'm an advocate for Nintendo, I really don't like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, even Mario Kart DS is kinda MEH for me.
Perhaps it's because there's so much hype surrounding these games that I'm actually disappointed when i play them. That and I dont like RTS games, of which Pikmin is derived from.

In regards to Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror on PSP, I've played it.
If there's one thing I absolutely HATE about the PSP, it's the controls.
I stopped playing the game after 5 minutes cause it was just so awkward and uncomfortable. I have to say though, that the presentation of the game was awesome, so full props there.
Everyone may think it's an awesome game, and the reviews for it support that...I'm not criticising the game itself - I'm sure it's awesome. But the controls all but ruin it for me.

Now, I love Katamari.
So naturally, I tried playing Me and My Katamari.
I hated that too. Why?
Cause of the controls.
Using the D-pad and face buttons IN PLACE of the two control sticks on the PS2 was just so bad. How can anyone NOT complain of blistered thumbs after 5 minutes? =/

The DS may not offer the best type of control method for all the regular bunch of game genres we're all used to, but it does offer up something that other systems can't really match. While with PSP, every game on it is just something that can be done on ps2 with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever to make it stand out - other than GFX ON THE GO.

For Nintendo's kiddy image.....it's an unfortunate stereotype to be stuck with, which IS ironic considering most 'KIDS' would rather play the uber violent games anyway.
Mario Party MAY be fun as Halo in multiplayer, but which one do you think is the 'cooler' one?
I think Mario Party is a huge waste of money, anyway (play a REAL board game, you idiots).

What I'm surprised about, going with JazzFlight's examples here....
MORE people would rather be seen with Katamari than Pikmin ANYWAY.
Both are kiddy games, but it's just that Katamari has rather strange drug-induced gameplay style to it.
Which most likely means its considered more mature.
That it's a good game is irelevant. Both of them are good games, if word of mouth and reviews are anything to go by.

This debate is so all over the place. Why the hell are we discussing Syphon Filter anyway? It has nothing to do with Nintendo being kiddy.

First of all, even questioning the mentality of whether or not Pikmin is a subtle kids game or not is major lol. Secondly, Madden has violence, and there's always mild violence in almost every game you see. That's usually how games work, people die, and you continue playing until you're capable of passing an area without dying.

Hardly reality. Except Gran Turismo 4 is attempting to imitate reality with the graphics and "real driving simulator" rubbish. I own 3, I've spent a decent amount of hours in 3, but I wouldn't consider it to be that real. Back when it was released, sure, but that was 2002 or something.

Pikmin's concept is simple, uncomplicated and anyone can do it. Madden has violence, isn't simple for people who haven't a clue of sports, and not for everyone. Gran Turismo is the same, and gets very complicated very easily, especially with the training courses and such. Both games have more depth over Pikmin, and aren't as challenging.

Speaking of Gran Turismo, how anyone can sit there through 200 laps of the same repetitive shit is beyond me. But that's another story.

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Sorry, just because it's free doesn't mean we can't complain about what we don't like. Besides, we bought the games in the first place.

I don't really like what they did with their online, in more ways than one. Overall, the Nintendo Wi-Fi system is awesome, but it could be so much better.

Friend codes are OK, but there are much better ways to manage that.

My biggest complaint about NWC is that they expect you to open up every UDP port to wherever you're making the connection, being assigning an IP address to your DS to a computer with the USB connector. Somebody never told Nintendo anything about network security.

The worst thing is, if you don't do that, you'll run the risk not being able to connect to some people.

As I said, overall, it works and is good, but still could be better.

I'm pretty suprised at how this topic turned out. So now we're defining which games are kiddy and which are not?

4 people cannot balance themselves on a small 10 Sq Ft chunk of island while dodging cannon fire in real life :(

It's kinda hard NOT to talk about Nintendo's kiddy image WITHOUT defining what each of us think are kiddy games or not.

That first bit didn't prove that Pikmin is kiddy at all.
And neither did the third bit.

Madden being more complicated for those who have no clue about the sport is no indication whatsoever that it is for 'teh mature' people.
It just means that the learning curve is slightly higher than most games, and is more for people who DO know the sport.
Harder and more complex makes not a mature game.

99% of the time, it does. Some kid is not going to get through Ikaruga without dying. A 20-something-year-old-guy could. The frustration in games can only keep a persistant young gamer amused for so long, before they're pissed off and stop playing. Someone with more patience and the will to practice is more likely to succeed, which is usually someone who is more mature and older.

Mario Soccer and Winning Eleven 10. Which is more "kiddy" and which would be easier to play? The comparison is obvious. Most games that are targetted at kids, whether they're within a concept (here, the concept is sports, shrouded by Mario and crew) or not, they're still getting the message out. Sports games. For kids.

And besides, I would doubt that very many kids prefer Winning Eleven, or any sports game for that matter, over the likes of Mario Kart or Mario Soccer. Unless you have some hardcore soccer fan, they're going to settle with the more colorful, "for kids" title. It's marketing, and it works.

I think the difference here is that of arcade style and simulation style. Most kids do prefer arcade style games as opposed to sim style, I'm not questioning that point. However, that does not mean older gamers are going to be appealed by sims more so than arcade style gaming. It is generally easier to get people to pick up and play arcade games than sims, and this is how Nintendo like to make its games. It's something that can be played by both younger and older audiences. The market between arcade and simulation games is a somewhat different subject.

Even though I kidded about Pikmin earlier, I'd argue that Pikmin really is more violent than Madden, or at least as violent. I'd also say that Pikmin is a relatively difficult game, especially for a child, and to do well (especially for, say, challenge mode in Pikmin 2) requires pretty advanced thinking skills.

I think children can enjoy it, but it's not exclusively for children. Honestly, I think kiddy can only be defined as something children alone find entertaining.

I cannot think of a single Nintendo game that fits that description.

Nor would my mother. She plays games though. but she's not a kid OSHI...

That's just your own assumption. I'll just top you and give you a single example based on one person: Me.
When I was a kid I was damn persistant, and completed tons of games I wouldn't have the time or patience for anymore - I loose interest faster after getting older.

Fixed.

Fixed.

Fixed.

HostileCreations post described it perfectly. Elixir, read it again, and again, and again. And then just one last time.

Only people with personal issues would be emabarrased to play games in front of their friends or non-gamers. Thats the only reason games get labeled as "kiddie" unless it says EC on the box.

Can we lock this now? Its a dead horse getting beaten to its 100th death.

I can pick your response to pieces as well, but nobody wants to hear it. So why did you?

First of all. It doesn't matter what the ESRB rating is. If it did, kids wouldn't be playing GTA, Manhunt, Under Pressure or Resident Evil 4 for that matter. But they manage to do so without any trouble whatsoever.

Second of all, gore and fighting games still end up in the hands of kids. Why? Because it's "cool" to have games which you aren't meant to have. But what does this have to do with anything? Well, the point I'm making is that the "Everyone" rating is irrelevant. Read that again, and again, and again, and feel free to stop sucking your own dick in the process.

Third of all, take a 10 year old kid. He has just purchased Resident Evil 4, a game which has an R rating and also has gore, fighting, blood, death, and all the rest that's considered bad for kids. The game itself is pretty difficult in itself, and he's more likely to be frustrated with that over a Mario title or something more subtle.

That's a perfect example of a game which is aimed at the mature audience, hence the rating, but is one that kids would play. And when they're frustrated with a game, they'll go back to their Mario or Pikmin (which isn't hard, what a crock of shit) titles that are more "fun."

Because "fun" for kids, is easy. No majority of kid wants a challenge in a game. Fuck me blind if you see someone under 15 who appreciates shooting games (not first person shooters, you mainstream motherfuckers) for what they're really worth. The key in this is frustration. Depending on your age depends on how far you're going to tolerate a game for.

My mother plays Ms. Pacman, and she blames the controller. She's done this possibly over a hundred times. But you know what? She continues to play it. If she isn't in the mood, she won't play it. Parents and people of that age aren't meant to take games seriously, and they are more likely to play an easy game. The competitive gaming edge mostly applies to 15~45 year olds.

That said, most adults 25+ will be found with an xbox, PS2, or both. With sports, fighting, or first person shooting titles. It's because they're familiar with sports, shooting, or fighting. They associate with their games as they do with real life activities.

Of course, shooting, fighting, and sports, are all real life events. But you aren't going to find something like Halo in real life, that's just something brought on by popularity as a remix variation of something that's already enjoyed. First person shooting. Millions of xboxtards flock to E3 for information on Halo 3, millions of PStards await the next GTA. Why? Because that's what they associate with.

And the Gamecube fans flock to E3 for, well, the Revolution. Because the Gamecube is dead. The people that still own a Gamecube aren't playing it for the upcoming titles (there's not even that many, now) but for what they currently own, don't have, or they're not wealthy enough to purchase a console with more variety.

And what little of the Gamecube is left, will be either 1) Titles made from movies, such as X-Men, Spiderman, The Incredibles, or 2) Games released on the Gamecube as a test to see how well they'll perform on other consoles. They've been doing this for years with the Dreamcast, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Gamecube became undead and obscure japanese companies made beta games on it first, just to see how it pans out.

But enough about the Gamecube. The majority of kids (I know when I was one, I'd always be appealed by the characters and bright colors, over the more "mature" stuff) will go for Nintendo material. The majority of teenagers will go for the PS2. And the majority of adults seem to lean towards the xbox. Gamecube has the largest array of mainsteam cartoonish titles, while PS2 has the largest variety and is really a mixed bag. And then there's the xbox, with it's sports, fps, and fighting games which it's known for.

Given this fact, most collections you'll see out of gamers or just casual console owners in general, will either contain a Dead or Alive title for xbox owners, SSBM, Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion (in other words, a "aimed at kids" title) for the Gamecube owners, and for PS2 I can't really tell.

I must address that ultimately it's the range of games that the console designers decide to produce and help produce which influence their console and what people will view their console as. It's up to the consumer to purchase whichever they prefer.

It's inevitable to avoid or ignore the amount of titles on the Gamecube that are regarded as "kiddy", and if they weren't, this topic wouldn't exist. Which would be a good thing. Nintendo have brought this on upon themselves, along with the help of little others. But do proper titles like Beyond Good & Evil get the attention they deserve? Psychonauts? Nooooo, it doesn't have Mario on it or the Nintendo logo.

Also, it hasn't been confronted in this thread that Gamecube/Nintendo titles have to be exclusive to "kids only" for their reputation to exist. Simply because it isn't true, and you're free to play games at leisure. But the obvious won't go away just because people are decisive in their purchases - Nintendo products have always been bought for kids, from parents, or for kids, by kids. Whether you're an adult or not doesn't matter because the majority overrules the rest.

tl;dr) ESRB ratings are irrelevant, the majority of Gamecube games are for kids, games are only worth what the user gets out of them. Thread over.

I'm thinking about it. We haven't had a tiku tiku thread in a long long time.

No dont lock it!.This is actually turning out to be quite a good discussion. although im only reading ^^.

Okay fine.

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But if this doesn't become a better discussion by that time US EST then I will lock it.

Out of Mario Soccer and Winning Eleven 10, guess which one is more fun.

You may say basic and simple makes it "kiddie." I however, say it has to be made that way to allow it to be fun.

You can't really make a game that's super-realistic and then throw in elements that are completely unrealistic and overexaggerated.

!_!. Im not really good at maths so im not going to even bother calculating what that is in "my time". v_v. Its been a good discussion i suppose. You can lock it if you want.

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This is virtually the only real kiddy game on GameCube, okay. There are no bosses lusting for plasma, no emotional jumps over pits of angry lost souls, no swords eight hundred times bigger than the main character. No challenge or point at all. A baby could play it via the womb. And it's awesome.

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It'll be in about 15 hours, kisame. Make it good, guys.

lol, Infernal's kicking it off well. ='D

You know we just need a new Mario RPG.
Preferably The Saga of Mario - Episode XVI Part 3 - The Legendary Myth Magic Warriors of the Shadow of Darkness and Flame's Destined Sacred Aura

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lol oldie!

Lol, I once owned pokemon channel. WHAT? i won it at a ssbm tournie :). Its extremly akward. No story line nothing. You just sit down and pat your pikachu all day...

Proper titles? Please explain this.

I heard a rumour that people didn't buy the GameCube version of Psyconauts because there was no GameCube version of Psyconauts. But I'm sure that if there was a GameCube version, of Psyconauts, on GameCube, that GameCube owners wouldn't buy the GameCube version of Psyconauts for GameCube due to the fact that Psyconauts (the GameCube version) wouldn't contain enough Mario or Nintendo logo. Oh sure, the GameCube version (of Psyconauts) would indeed have the Nintendo logo somewhere, possibly around the GameCube logo, because it's a GameCube version of Psyconauts, but it just wouldn't be enough.

To succeed, it (the GameCube version of Psyconauts) would need to be renamed Mario's Caramel Chew Cute Factory. But I guess we'll never know, as there was no GameCube version. Mario's Caramel Chew Cute Factory is however avaliable on PlayStation 2, PC and Xbox.

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Funny, my sister and brother-in-law, who fit perfectly into the mold you described, have a PS2. And yet, the only game they play on it is a game that I got for my brother-in-law for his birthday.

And do you know what game it is? We Love Katamari.

Sorta shoots your point down, doesn't it?

Twilight Princess. =\

I sorta do agree with your point about the Gamecube becoming a test platform, though.

Wasn't Psychonauts critically acclaimed? That's quite a bit of attention.

If ESRB ratings are so irrelevant, then why is the government raising a big stink about (unconstitutionally) giving the ESRB the power to enforce its ratings, or closing down the ESRB and opening their own review board?

Actually no you are completely wrong. The #1 reason why the kids get the games is because of irresposible parents. They don't know about the ratings, they don't read the boxes. I see it everyday at work. All it takes is to let the parent know that the game was designed for people 17+ and they make their child pick a different game. I do not stop them from taking a title. Just educate them on whats going on. And from this over 98% of the parents made their child pick another one. A couple say that its ok because they watch their child play, and there is one who doesn't care. But to say the ratings are irrelevant is just plain stupid.

Don't give me that bullshit. BG&E bombed because Ubisoft let it. It decided to release it and 2 other titles in the same holiday season. And where did all the marketing money go to? Thats right...Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell. There were plans for a trilogy with it, but that is gone cause Ubisoft screwed it.

I think that treadmill is calling you...

Beyond Good and Evil probably failed becaus

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nd that's why they stopped serving the frozen fish. I hope you all took notes, there will be a test next week.

Right, that's why I was bragging when I had Resident Evil at age 10.

Actually, you sound like an eb worker, or someone who's previously worked in a gaming store. Which is a bad thing, considering I'm basically typing words here and you're looking at them, and not actually reading them. Much like my experiences with gaming stores have been; "Do you have ____ game in now?" and the responses; "No." "It should be coming out in the year 20XX." "What platform is this GTA game you speak of for?" "I think it's going to retail at $129.95"

If some kid wants to play Resident Evil, the chances are he's going to play it. How? Well, whether it's a matter of switching discs with your copy of Crash Bandicoot or not, it doesn't matter. It also isn't the parents' responsibility for fucking video games and their ratings. If ratings were paid attention to as much as the ESRB corporation wished, developers would stop adding violence to their games and some game series would stop entirely, due to lack of profit.

Is there a "Not happening" macro? I'd really like to enter it in here, in between a bunch of sentences, just to break it up a little. You know, just to make things more entertaining for the viewers who are painfully loving the process of watching me type.

Manhunt was banned from my country. Did that stop me? Fuck no, I downloaded the entire game to PC and played it like that for awhile. If kids can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy, that's their problem. No ESRB rating is going to prevent that, especially when people blatantly ignore the fact that violence sells. And then they wonder why it goes behind their back.

Oh, and Beyond Good and Evil didn't bomb, it was a sleeper hit which you obviously haven't played if you're passing comments like that. Sure, blame a company for releasing multiple titles at once, I guess you can kiss companies like Konami good bye, then.

How many games on the Gamecube are colorful, cartoonish and aimed at kids, over the rest of the PS2 library? PS2's variety overshadows the amount of titles aimed at kids. The same, however, can't be applied for the PS1 anymore, seeing as how they've been making Disney and based-off-of-movie titles for it ever since it truly died. In fact I'm more inclined to think that a parent buying their child a console would be the PS1, still disregarding ratings, as the majority of their titles now are Mickey Mouse and Monsters. So it's not like it isn't difficult to understand.

Because the government has close to no idea how to moderate games. There's been a bunch of recent complaints over Manhunt, and Rockstar in general, but where was the media when Mortal Kombat was released back in the early 90's? Exactly. Oh, speaking of moderating, why isn't this thread closed. I'm just going to string a bunch of words together to make a sentence right here, right now, before your very eyes. Wheeee!

"In the year 20XX."

Hurray for violence! If Pikmin were replaced with men, and the enemies were replaced with tanks, it'd be the exact same game, but rated M and have twice the sales.Why didn't Beyond Good & Evil not bomb if it did infact not un-bomb? Gimme back my steak.
EDIT:Driving physics don't magically change over time. They've been the same since the wheel was invented. Oh wait, once again you're putting the graphics and presentation first.

Nope, I have never worked in a ebgames, gamestop, gamecrazy or other game store. I laugh at the workers there who do say stuff like that cause they truely are idiots.

You must have worked out too much on that treadmill it has drained the blood from your brain. Of course its not the parents resposibility for the ratings. But IT IS their resposibility to be a part of the child's life which includes making sure they are participating in something that is appropriate for their mental and/or physical maturity level. Developers have every right to make any game they want to. The ESRB ratings were developed as and still are today used as guides to the (ignorant) parents. There are no rules other than what stores enforce from within their own corporate levels for a minor to buy a M game. Why do you think Acclaim made BMX XXX? Because they could. And what happened? It bombed becuase it wasn't something that consumers wanted. The more developers are going to keep relying on violence to sell their games the less they will sell.

Actually according to NPD the game did bomb. It was a great game. One that I have COMPLETED 3X. I never once said anything about the quality of the game until just now.

Actually the media was quite well aware of what was going on. It was on the news, it made the newspapers. In fact it was the one of the first games that triggered the start of the ESRB.

Oh look at the time...time to go to school little one.

So because a parent doesn't know that Resident Evil = horror violent title, automatically makes them ignorant? Wow okay guy, back the fuck up here. BMX XXX was banned in australia, along with I think brazil and a couple of other places. It didn't really get a chance but it was like someone had taken the Tony Hawk's Pro Rehash engine and turned it into a half naked bike game which had terrible controls and mediocre softcore porn.

The media wasn't publically announcing that certain titles be forbidden from specific countries when it came to titles such as those. However with recent Mortal Kombat titles, it's different. Why, I really have no idea, but it's becoming more realistic and I'm sure there's only so far you can go with violence before it crosses the line. Also see, Thrill Kill.

But ESRB ratings will not stop a kid from playing a game, unless they're weak. Chances are, if they're under 18 and they're buying the game themselves with their own money, parents would let them buy whatever the hell they want. That's society. And I'm sure the amount of parents who actually care what their kids are playing over the amount of parents who don't is a huge difference.

And that's why ESRB ratings are stupid. Kids get what they want 90% of the time, and this situation is no different. There's more adults who give in to their kids and their demands, over the adults who don't. There's more demanding kids these days and that isn't going to change. If a game gets banned from specific countries for crossing the line, they've gone too far, and that's their (the game developers) fault. And it has absolutely nothing to do with ESRB ratings or the ratings influenec on whether the game is void from a country or not. They're just irrelevant.

Enjoy your day at pre-school. I hear they have Gamecubes there for entertainment now.

Well... you can't really blame the ESRB for bad parenting and kids who don't know what's good for 'em. At least they're helping fight the good fight.

No it makes them ignorant for not reading the back of the box, or looking at the ratings box that says "Extreme Violence", and 17+.

Its not my fault those governments aren't confident enough in their own constituents to make smart desicions for themselves and have need to feel like babysitters.

It couldn't be that the world is adopting a "its someone elses fault my child did that" mentality could it? Also the gaming industry is mutliple times larger than it was back then. So naturally it is going to get more attention now that it did back then.

Thats not the point. As I said, the ratings were made as a GUIDE TO PARENTS to the games. If the parents aren't paying attention to what their minor child is doing that is their own failt...no one elses.

I see..so its not the parent's fault for being weak minded and falling for thier kid's whines and complains for a game that was never supposed to be in their hands in the first place? Get real.

No, its the government's fault for not letting people make up their own minds. the developers have every right to make any game they want. Why do you think that less than 1% of games made receive the AO rating? Because they never sell and lose the companies money. A developer cannot make a diferent game to cater to each country's own tiny little rules for what a game has to be. Your shitty (not my words, but from a born New Zealander) government made the choice, set the standards, and the ruling.

I wouldn't know with my university diploma. Funny though...aren't you the one who dropped out of school?? Or was it failed out.

This whole thing went from bad to good to worse.

Yes, because instantly it's the parents responsibility to literally scan over what their sons and daughters buy, like some sort of over protective freaks. Why don't you just rid a child of all it's freedom, eh? Nothing's stopping the parent from checking the box for ESRB ratings, but the fact that they don't even know that they exist doesn't make them ignorant.

And it's not my fault 90% of failure titles come from america. But that's something to reflect on.

It didn't get enough attention back in the day, and now it's getting an excessive amount of attention which is unneeded. I know with your mentality and all, you probably haven't noticed, but the head spokesman for the banning of Manhunt also claimed you could shove people's dead bodies into trash cans, which apparently isn't true. Along with stuffing cut-off heads inside tyres and attaching them to cars, and driving around in them. All of this was announced on a documentary revolving around games and their level of violence, and all of it was false. However the game was and still is banned.

"If the parent doesn't know that the rating exists, they're ignorant." is what you're saying. Great analogy there, considering the fact that a seemingly large amount of parents probably would bother with checking titles if they knew that there was such extreme violence in some of the titles. But not all titles are violent, yet they're still R18+ and so on. It depends on the game itself, but it still isn't the parents responsibility whatsoever. If an adult takes up knitting, does someone look over their shoulder just in case they poke themselves with the knitting needles? No, it's a hobby, much like gaming is for kids.

I really don't know how you can't see this, I mean, you claim to be smart, but you act otherwise, and I'm very confused. Please don't help me in resolving this issue, and in fact, shut the fuck up in the process. That would be helpful. No offense or anything, but you're not exactly replying with points anymore. It's just "your view" and that's it. I'm getting kind of bored, actually.

Lol this guy just doesn't get it.

First of all, stop making assumptions. Who said I was a born New Zealander? It isn't even the government's fault in this case, you're just acting like a fucking moron now. If people want to make up their own minds, as will kids, and as the ESRB ratings are disregarded through this process your little plot has become meaningless.

Furthermore to correct you in your utter stupidity, the government wasn't the ones to prevent Manhunt from coming to New Zealand. It was one person, in charge of what content gets and doesn't get into the country. I haven't said anywhere in this thread that it was related to the government, nor have I stated any real games that have been banned specifically for New Zealand. You seem to make it sound as if this is so, which is just more mindless text I've wasted my time reading through.

All in all, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk at all. The old phrase "It's better to keep your mouth shut when in doubt, as oppose to opening it and proving everyone you really are."

I like how you claim to know so much about me, when really you don't know a single thing. All you're doing is stabbing in the dark with random insults and dumb logic which really, for somebody who claims to have a university diploma, isn't a good mix.

That said, how about a thread close? I feel as if I'm wasting my time talking to somebody who claims to be of superiority with his big university diploma, but nothing to show for it. Unless I've missed something, properly addressing an issue without disregarding other matters isn't something this guy's good at.

I'm done here, feel free to make this thread the first one that hits the Wall of Shame once it's back up. After all, this thread was going good, but yeah. I don't really care for replies anymore as it's become so predictable that it's either Team Australia or the occasional random (the latter happens to be taking place currently) when it comes down to these sorts of threads. It just can't be helped.

Very lastly, I'd like to mention once again, that if Gamecube/Nintendo merchandise/games were not for kids, this thread wouldn't exist, and this wouldn't be questioned in gamingforce, gamefaqs, and other forums which I've seen this similar thread arise in. If there's enough people out there to accumulate a question of whether or not "Nintendo games are kiddy" then there's enough people to already know the answer.

"After all, this thread was going good, but yeah."

I like how you say that as though it were Berto's fault, and not a completely mutual effort from both of you to fuck it up.
I was actually just asked to recommend a Gamecube game for children recently (check out the Gamecube forum on PGC) and had a difficult time thinking of any that really weren't too advanced. Kirby Air Ride was the only satisfactory answer.
I attribute that more to games being too complex today, though.

Instead of closing this thread, how about Elixir and Berto just stop swinging trashbags at each other? Then maybe we could have a conversation with some substance.

Let me start out by arguing thus:
GTA is much more simplistic game, on a maturity level, than Pikmin or even Super Mario Sunshine. It consists of running around and randomly shooting people (and some shitty missions, but those are relatively simple as well). It's really juvenile.

On the other hand, the content of GTA is obviously more graphic than Pikmin or Super Mario Sunshine.
So, what defines a mature game? Graphic content, or a mature game design?

Movies are rated R if they have more graphic content, but the complexity of the story and the issues involved tend to be on a more adult level as well (not always, but such is often the case). Whereas with games, we don't have this distinction. I think that makes things more difficult.

Actually ya it is their responsibility as a child has no freedom whem its still living under a parents roof. Just like if a child were allergic to a certain ingredient in food its the parents resposibility to check the label and make sure its approriate for their child.And its the fact that the parents don't know whatthe ESRB rating on the box is the issue.

Not mine either. Never said it was anyone's fault. Where you getting this from O_o. I think it may be JPN though as they develop way more games.

And all that other stuff just furthers the proof that the mass media still doesn't know what its talking about at all.


"If the parent doesn't know that the rating exists, they're ignorant." is what you're saying. Great analogy there, considering the fact that a seemingly large amount of parents probably would bother with checking titles if they knew that there was such extreme violence in some of the titles. But not all titles are violent, yet they're still R18+ and so on. It depends on the game itself, but it still isn't the parents responsibility whatsoever. If an adult takes up knitting, does someone look over their shoulder just in case they poke themselves with the knitting needles? No, it's a hobby, much like gaming is for kids.[/quote]
Yes it does, cause all they have to do is look at the box to see them there. I love how you used two very different words to try and make analogy too. "if an adult" when we are talking about kids.

Then why do you keep posting?? Nobod is making you.

Lets see...

I said you were a born New Zealander...false. But you do live there.
The fact that they ratings are being disregarded or even ignored by those parents who buy the games (because they still do buy the most games each year (18yr+ people)) is the problem. Wha about that don't you get?


Well lets see. It was a member at the New Zealand's Office of Film and Literature Classification who banned the games. And the guess what...that office is part of the government...OMG IT ALL COMES TOGETHER!

The sad thing I is prob know more about this than most peope on here being a gamer, jounalist on the industry, and a retailer in it.


Is it not fact that you dropped out early for a job? Truth hurts don't it.

Well, I tried.

*sigh*

Well anyway, the game that first gave me the impression of Nintendo being "kiddy" was Diddy Kong Racing. To me it seemed more like some fruity clone of Mario Kart 64, at least from what I played of it; I never actually owned the game (or an N64 for that matter). However, titles like that have not made me shy away from Nintendo. In fact, of the current game consoles out on the market, the Gamecube is the only one I have. While in some cases it's satisfying for me to splatter somebody or something, things un-"kiddy" of a game are not a requirement in my mind for them to be good. Sure, I can really pummel somebody in Super Smash Brothers Melee for example, but it's not like I'm wishing for blood to get all over the place from said pummeling. And the game still remains one of my favorites on the Gamecube. Mario Kart Double Dash has little or no violence at all, but it still makes a fun game to me, especially when done with several people.

So yes, I do believe Nintendo to be "kiddy" to some extent or another, but not entirely. Not to the point that I don't think they have anything good to offer.

Elixer.....

going back to the last page when you said kids don't want a challenge in their games because they'd get too frustrated.

I dont know what the hell stupid kids you know, but all the kids I've seen at the arcades and playing console games are fucking awesome at games, adult-oriented or not.

There are kids that can beat the best of the older players at House of the Dead 4 (get to the final boss with one credit o__o), I'VE been beaten in Virtual On by 7 year olds, and a lot of them play GTA better than some people I know (I crash the car a lot and die, as well).
Counterstrike and WoW are some of the others I see them kick ass in (and swear the shit out of each other too).

My cousin learnt how to play Ouendan faster than I did, and he's only 10.
He also plays Madden, which I have absoluely no idea about.

Kids DEFINTELY CAN play harder games.
They may not have the dexterity or patience like some of us older gamers, but they CAN play them, and over time (also like us), only get better.

Well looks like the alarm didn't go off, however I have a few things to say before I close this thread. It's too bad too since it was getting better for a bit and then Elixir had to come in... anyway...

Nintendo games are mostly child friendly but at the same time are fun for everyone. "Kiddy" would be used to describe something that only children can enjoy. This isn't the case for Nintendo games.

The ESRB rating system is a system to inform consumers what to expect in videogames they purchase much like the MPAA and TV rating systems are systems to inform consumers what to expect in shows they purchase tickets for/buy for home viewing/watch on tv. It is completely up to the consumer what they do with these rating systems whether they ignore them, use them to enforce rules on their children, etc.

That is all you need to know.

Now for the fun part. Since I had to read your drivel, Elixir, to see if there was anything that wasn't rambling which there wasn't I'm having you banned from the forums. You said you were going to turn a new leaf but you're back to your old hat crap and you still don't know anything about what you're talking about. The idea that I presented was to make this thread amusing and you totally went against that idea with all your retarded passion for unfunny and failure. See ya in a week, guy. =/

Edit: Make that a month. We forgot that you got banned forum-wide for week before the crash. Enjoy E3 with the good folks over at GameFAQs. =)

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