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eriol33 Apr 3, 2006 12:16 PM

What is your opinion about Hentai?
 
I'm a normal man, but believe me, I hate Hentai to death. I couldn't understand why there are lot of people like them. In my opinion Hentai are rather discriminative art and couldn't be considered even an erotic art since the composition between the man and woman rather inbalance. In erotism we could find the beauty of heteroerotic but in hentai?

Hentai are just tools to expose big boobs, tits, or other annoying details, god, how come people cope with these vulgarity??:doh:

Cirno Apr 3, 2006 12:29 PM

So, you hate porn in general or just drawn stuff? I mean, some porn revolves around a single fetish, like big breasts, blowjobs, footjobs, S&M shit, etc. Hentai does the same thing, only you get some of the more freakier stuff (lolicon, dismemberment, skullfucking, etc.).

There's no beauty in hentai other than the occassional decent artwork. And I don't really get how it's a "discriminative" art. Could you explain.

Lukage Apr 3, 2006 12:44 PM

I'm totally into the catgirls thing, but much of it is just too creepy for me. I personally find it too weird, but then again, I'm not the biggest fan of porn.

eriol33 Apr 3, 2006 12:47 PM

"Discriminative" here means art in hentai only revolve around the woman as "object". I have noticed, majority of hentai art always focusing how man playing the woman's genital like object or toy, and not to mention, sometimes the facial expression of the woman is like being raped (at least, that's the impression I got).

It's very different in hetererotic photography where the man and woman are treated equals beautifully. So far, the most beautiful non-hentai art I found is only in Berserk by Kentaro Miura (how I wish there are lots of non-explicit art like these).

But maybe Hentai also reflects how japanese treat woman as second class.

Fire On Ice Apr 3, 2006 12:52 PM

I guess it depends on what you're into. Obviously the stuff that appears in hentai isn't something that you enjoy but there is stuff out there that you do, you just have to look elsewhere to find it. Weather you like it or not is a strictly person by person basis. By the same token, why do people like S&M? Because it gets them off, simple as that. It's not for everyone but hey, whatever works, right?

eriol33 Apr 3, 2006 12:59 PM

I guess you're right, in the end it returns to us to decide whether you want to see them or not. But to be honest, sexual concepts of japanese are rather confusing. I mean, where could you find, dickgirl (omg), lolicon, yaoi, etc?

PUG1911 Apr 3, 2006 01:22 PM

Most pornography depicts exactly the things that you say you dislike. Women as objects, inequality between the sexes etc.

If you haven't noticed it when watching 'normal' porn, then you haven't been paying attention. It's why so many people like myself don't like pornography in general, hentai isn't much different, other than being exagerated.

Cirno Apr 3, 2006 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by eriol
I guess you're right, in the end it returns to us to decide whether you want to see them or not. But to be honest, sexual concepts of japanese are rather confusing. I mean, where could you find, dickgirl (omg), lolicon, yaoi, etc?

The Japanese are crazy, but so are most cultures. Just be glad we haven't seen midget hentai yet.

Spatula Apr 3, 2006 01:48 PM

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Just be glad we haven't seen midget hentai yet.
Yeah, it's called Rozen Maiden. :tpg:

A few boys are looking at it right this very moment on 4chan. /b/ sup?

Spoiler:
This does not include me, thank you very much

Kimchi Apr 3, 2006 03:31 PM

I personally hate Hentai too. I think it is disgusting anime.

chato Apr 3, 2006 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eriol
I guess you're right, in the end it returns to us to decide whether you want to see them or not. But to be honest, sexual concepts of japanese are rather confusing. I mean, where could you find, dickgirl (omg), lolicon, yaoi, etc?

watch it with a girl, you'll get some points out of it ;p.

My opinion on hentai. I'm not against it. It's just your average porn that you would see irl or in front of you (a naked chick offering you a lap dance in the club). Kuradoberi is right about the japanese, they are crazy when it comes to exaggerating sex. but if you look at some hentais, they aren't so bad. Sometimes they tend to add story in it. o.o;

Kimchi Apr 3, 2006 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chato
MIt's just your average porn that you would see irl or in front of you

Jesus, so tentacles raping girls is things you would see irl or in front of you? Prob not. (Just making a point... not flaming <_>)

What's up with hentai anyways? Is it commonly watched as popular animes in Japan?

chato Apr 3, 2006 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Taegueki
Jesus, so tentacles raping girls is things you would see irl or in front of you? Prob not. (Just making a point... not flaming <_>)

What's up with hentai anyways? Is it commonly watched as popular animes in Japan?


minus that lol.

as for it being popular in japan.. I think to them it'd be educational for kids XD.

Kimchi Apr 3, 2006 04:38 PM

Lol, educational? Like in sex ed class, kids would be watching a hentai they picked. And watch an epi per class... lol.

The hentai would bascially cover everything in sex.ed including raping.

Cirno Apr 3, 2006 04:39 PM

Yes. That's precisely it.

My girlfriend and I (Handy) bought a squid last weekend. It was a little messy at first but she went on to say how it sucked better than I did. She was the one who presented the idea, having had past experienced with octoupus tentacles. This was a whole new world to me, and, according to Handy, tentacle hentai was not a mere fantasy.

There are some hentai out there that have pretty decent stories. Personally, I found Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night (and it's sequel) to be fun and engaging. Granted I've never played the h-games themselves, but the sex itself from what I've read seems very tacked on. There's a massive emphasis on story and character development over the cheesy porn.

"I NEED YOUR PENIS..."
"WHY."
"I'M OUT OF MANA."
"OH OK."

chato Apr 3, 2006 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taegueki
Lol, educational? Like in sex ed class, kids would be watching a hentai they picked. And watch an epi per class... lol.

The hentai would bascially cover everything in sex.ed including raping.


exactly. who knows if they had a sex.ed teacher that loved to mess around.

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Originally Posted by emmanuel lewis

There are some hentai out there that have pretty decent stories

Bible Black would be one of them.

Kimchi Apr 3, 2006 04:47 PM

WTF, isn't Black Bible... isn't it something about everyone being perverted? Or something like that, I heard about it from my sick buddies.

chato Apr 3, 2006 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Taegueki
WTF, isn't Black Bible... isn't it something about everyone being perverted? Or something like that, I heard about it from my sick buddies.


aside from 2 girls having dicks, this one dude had the power to manipulate a girl with black magic. making them fall for him.

Little Shithead Apr 3, 2006 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eriol
"Discriminative" here means art in hentai only revolve around the woman as "object". I have noticed, majority of hentai art always focusing how man playing the woman's genital like object or toy, and not to mention, sometimes the facial expression of the woman is like being raped (at least, that's the impression I got).

One could argue that that's the entire point behind pornography.

Cirno Apr 3, 2006 04:53 PM

Bible Black I couldn't even watch for more than five minutes. I didn't get to any dickgirls, but everything just seemed so absurd. Maybe it's because the moment I turned it on people were having sex in a park or something.

I don't normally watch hentai at all, actually. Handy doesn't like it. The most I've done is check out summaries of the aforementioned h-games and watch the anime based on them. Melty Blood, a fighting game spin-off of Tsukihime, is loads of fun for example. Straightforward hentai movies are typically really shitty premises with flat characters that fit certain fetishes. There's your loli, there's you bookish bitch, there's your well-rounded heroine, and there's the older, mature Japanese chick with a naughty twist. There's generally no plot outside of how to get idiot male lead into vagina B to vagina C.

Handy no like. At least NORMIE porn just tells you "Hi my name's Brandy and I like pee-pee hoses!"

chato Apr 3, 2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmanuel Lewis
Bible Black I couldn't even watch for more than five minutes. I didn't get to any dickgirls, but everything just seemed so absurd. Maybe it's because the moment I turned it on people were having sex in a park or something.

I don't normally watch hentai at all, actually. Handy doesn't like it. The most I've done is check out summaries of the aforementioned h-games and watch the anime based on them. Melty Blood, a fighting game spin-off of Tsukihime, is loads of fun for example. Straightforward hentai movies are typically really shitty premises with flat characters that fit certain fetishes. There's your loli, there's you bookish bitch, there's your well-rounded heroine, and there's the older, mature Japanese chick with a naughty twist. There's generally no plot outside of how to get idiot male lead into vagina B to vagina C.

Handy no like. At least NORMIE porn just tells you "Hi my name's Brandy and I like pee-pee hoses!"

Some games are good. Fate/stay night has a few good fighting games. Im not sure if thats counted as a h-game . Unless im missing something and im not playing the storyline at all. Melty Blood would be another game i enjoyed playing as well, yet another fighting game with a Cadenza upgrade. nothing much.

btw. nice well said. now i wish i was with my ex right now ;p.

Kimchi Apr 3, 2006 05:00 PM

One of many things I don't like about hentai is when I see a hentai about my fav game/anime. (Like Oh My Godness! for instance.)

Cirno Apr 3, 2006 05:01 PM

Fate/Stay has a doujin fighting game, though the name escapes me. Melty Blood is coming to the PS2 later this year (or in a few months, I can't remember that either).

I forgot to mention that Handy enjoyed La Blue Girl.

shadowlink56 Apr 3, 2006 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Merv Burger
One could argue that that's the entire point behind pornography.

Point already made.

Anyway, I think every facet of pornography has it's over-the-top incarnations. On these very forums there's Eel Sex, and that's not hentai (lol). I highly recommend not scrolling much past the first three posts, as someone found some real people and . . . just don't go there.
There will be hentai that stays within the ideas of 'normal sex', and there will be hentai that really goes too far and is more laughable than arousing.
I've seen some, but I'm just not a big fan of it, and never really have been.
I'm trying to shake pornography in general, anyway.

chato Apr 3, 2006 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taegueki
One of many things I don't like about hentai is when I see a hentai about my fav game/anime. (Like Oh My Godness! for instance.)


That is something I dont like as well. I hate it when they ruin the image of some animes/mangas.

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Originally Posted by emmanuel lewis
Fate/Stay has a doujin fighting game, though the name escapes me. Melty Blood is coming to the PS2 later this year (or in a few months, I can't remember that either).

I forgot to mention that Handy enjoyed La Blue Girl

Wasn't the name called Fatal Fake or something?

Every girl i knew loved la blue girl back in HS lol. Talk about an overrated ass hentai..

TheFrenchLlama Apr 3, 2006 05:07 PM

Hentai is awesomely bad. Granted I never find it actually arousing, I watch hentai when I'm bored because it's usually entertaining. Sometimes I find myself chuckling, even laughing out loud, at how absurd the scenario may be. Dialogue is laughable, and some scenarios leading to sex are even worse than real life porn at times.

However, the short little black man is right, hentai can have a good story at times, such as the Type Moon games. It's unfortunate I can neither write, speak, nor read Japanese, as I'm sure there are engaging stories and actual good drama in some high production hentai games. Shuffle! comes to mind, as the anime did have a good amount of drama that was seemingly taken from the game itself (judging by the CG set I have). Even Bible Black had a good, interesting story to it, despite some minor guro and futa from the scary blonde teacher. I'm actually looking forward to watching the sequel. People just need to rip episodes into ogm or mkv formats.

Really, hentai is just another sexual outlet people get their jollies from. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. Hell, I like hentai for all the wrong reasons. :tpg:

jouhou Apr 3, 2006 09:25 PM

Hentai is just like porn but with a story.. oh wait, porn has bad stories too... um... it's ok to watch once in a while it's just like real porn, it's just entertainment. But, hentai does take most of their stuff too far. I can't stand rape, gang rape, alien rape, d-girls and all that other freaky shit but mostly it's the rape I can't stand. Just keep it as simple regular mutually desired sex. Like real porn, the girls aren't forced to do it but they want to do it (or atleast they act like they want it from the start)

eriol33 Apr 3, 2006 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmanuel Lewis
Yes. That's precisely it.

My girlfriend and I (Handy) bought a squid last weekend. It was a little messy at first but she went on to say how it sucked better than I did. She was the one who presented the idea, having had past experienced with octoupus tentacles. This was a whole new world to me, and, according to Handy, tentacle hentai was not a mere fantasy.

Believe it or not, the concept of "sex with non-human fantasy" could be traced back to japanese history. I saw one painting in wikipedia titled "the dream of fisherman's wife", telling a story about the dream where the wife is being f***ed up with an octopus. :doh:

Fungo Apr 6, 2006 12:10 PM

Hentai is disgusting, though suggestive undertones are okay -- hell I like it when there are some undertones. I've been reading A.I. Love you - an old manga series (yes, I am a guy) - and I like how there are undertones, but no sex. Sure, they make get naked or something like that may happen, but the author always finds a way to make a funny situation out of it.

I tend to read those 13+ or 16+ mangas, but I wouldn't go near anything as filthy as Bible Black (a hentai anime).

Though, I do have to admit, some yaoi is cute - I mean if it is as innocent as a kiss here and there. Who the hell wants to see two guys have sex? Well, not me, anyway.

eriol33 Apr 6, 2006 12:24 PM

Boys don't see yaoi, they will hurt your eyes (like mine... when I saw NarutoxSasuke doing something you wouldnt imagine even in dream x_X)

But I'm glad to know there are guys who don't favorur hentai like I do. I thought I was bit abnormal since I dont like these things.

Double Post:
But I like some story with mild BL hint, sometimes I couldnt differ cute boys and cute girls.

aku Apr 6, 2006 12:57 PM

Hentai is discusting, now you can have some stuff that is close to hentai but not be gross, i thought Golden Boy was some of the funniest shit i have ever seen, so being perverted in that way is ok, but going so far as to animate some of the things i have heard about, i havnt accualy seen much. mostly from when i was first getting into anime with kazaa, i would be looking for all the stuff for an anime, and a hentai would pop in there and i wouldnt know what the fuck it was. But Hentai is just overrated and gross.

CLOudkiller Apr 6, 2006 09:12 PM

Meh, personally its all about preferences man.. others hate, others like it. I play it for the storyline(ie. AIR, Kana~Imouto). They H-sceness are just there for eye-candy, tasty one netherless :). The Story is the true turn on :).

Tails Apr 6, 2006 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmanuel Lewis
There are some hentai out there that have pretty decent stories. Personally, I found Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night (and it's sequel) to be fun and engaging. Granted I've never played the h-games themselves, but the sex itself from what I've read seems very tacked on. There's a massive emphasis on story and character development over the cheesy porn.

"I NEED YOUR PENIS..."
"WHY."
"I'M OUT OF MANA."
"OH OK."

Ahahaha, it's so fucking hilarious because that's exactly how it feels.

Whoever did the Words Worth anime could have done a lot more with the series if they'd spent less time on the cheesy sex and more on the actual story, which was kinda funny.


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