Why not legalize prostitution?

Alright, so I did a search for this kind of thread and came up with nothing, feel free to close if this has already been done.

So, it's already legal (with some restrictions) in Vegas, so why not make it legal throughout the country? I don't mean street prostitution, I mean legitimate forms such as the Moonlight Bunny Ranch.

That'd be a hell of an industry to break into, I think. If it was ever legalized I think that'd be the first time I would ever look into becoming a business owner.

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Are you currently trying to tell me that prostitution is not legal in the United States?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I think it is but only in Vegas as far as I know. I could be mistaken.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Hmm that "sucks". It is legal here in Germany. So apparently, Germany is way cooler than USA.

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I personally don't see any reason to not legalize it either, given the societies we already live in. We sell everything, so why not this ?

It would actually cut on prostitution related trafics which are basically slavery. I heard the Australian and German systems are pretty nice, with sexual workers being like any other regular workers.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by niki

It would actually cut on prostitution related trafics which are basically slavery. I heard the Australian and German systems are pretty nice, with sexual workers being like any other regular workers.

I don't know if that would be true. I think it's still a problem in any country, regardless of prostitution's legality.

I think it'd be hell to get it legalized. It'd probably have to be enacted through the states. I doubt the Congress could getting anything meaningful passed related to prostitution or sex, in general.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by xiaowei

I don't know if that would be true. I think it's still a problem in any country, regardless of prostitution's legality.

Well, he's not saying it would cut it out completely, sure, but it would reduce it. There would be a dramatic decrease much in the same way that we don't see too many bootleggers nowadays.

FELIPE NO

Man, my father recently found out that my one of my most-desired professions was "madam." He kind of flipped.

I don't see why it's not legalized like it is at the Bunny Ranches out there in Nevada. I mean, at least the girls would be there voluntarily as employees, they'd be checked regularly with their health, and they'd be providing a completely valid service to people.

While I know this all my contradict what I normally say (as my sister often points out), I think the legalization of prostitution would provide safer, healthier work environments.

Let's face it. It's the "oldest profession" known to man - it's not going to disappear if we outlaw it. The conditions in which the person (man or woman, really) works will only become more black market and more dangerous to the individual who is arguably forced into that profession.

(I do know that a lot of women do it because they want to - they should have that option as an American, if you ask me)

The conditions for these people would be a lot better if the authority legalized it - and to me, that's more important than the morality of the profession.

Deni once said that morality should never be... how did he say... governed? At least in a free society.

Besides - the hoes don't hurt anyone. Sure, they may indirectly ruin a marriage or break up a family - but that wasn't their choice. It's the customer's choice to pay money for sexual trade.

At least you know your husband is clean when he comes home and sleeps with you after banging a legal hoe.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Man, my father recently found out that my one of my most-desired professions was "madam." He kind of flipped.

I don't see why it's not legalized like it is at the Bunny Ranches out there in Nevada. I mean, at least the girls would be there voluntarily as employees, they'd be checked regularly with their health, and they'd be providing a completely valid service to people.

While I know this all my contradict what I normally say (as my sister often points out), I think the legalization of prostitution would provide safer, healthier work environments.

Let's face it. It's the "oldest profession" known to man - it's not going to disappear if we outlaw it. The conditions in which the person (man or woman, really) works will only become more black market and more dangerous to the individual who is arguably forced into that profession.

(I do know that a lot of women do it because they want to - they should have that option as an American, if you ask me)

The conditions for these people would be a lot better if the authority legalized it - and to me, that's more important than the morality of the profession.

Deni once said that morality should never be... how did he say... governed? At least in a free society.

Besides - the hoes don't hurt anyone. Sure, they may indirectly ruin a marriage or break up a family - but that wasn't their choice. It's the customer's choice to pay money for sexual trade.

At least you know your husband is clean when he comes home and sleeps with you after banging a legal hoe.

I think it was morality should never be legislated. But yeah, I'm with you on this one. Surprise, surprise. It cuts down on crime, it cuts down on STDs, it cuts down on abuse of women. There's an endless stream of interesting reasons to do this. In Sweden there are women who specialize in people who have social phobias, or are in mourning at the loss of a wife, or have had traumatic sexual experiences. They have degrees in psychoanalysis, or psychiatry and they use sex as a therapeutic method of treatment. Some really interesting things that come about when you get past the factor of "you're paying someone to fuck them." The only reason for it to be illegal is because it makes people feel yucky, like outlawing gay marriage. It's a stupid law with no upside to it. Hell, economics alone, think of how much money you can rake in if you actually tax cunt.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Hell, economics alone, think of how much money you can rake in if you actually tax cunt.

Well, golly. That's a little sexist. Why not tax dick too? That way, you cover your field entirely! Think of the profit!

(Gay people need sex too ;_; )

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You can tax every ol' piece of the human body if it's legal. Hell, tax fisting. Tax it all. Get you some socialized health care to pay for the surgery to repair the vaginal tearing and tax double-fisting. It's all good now, kids.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

This is no fun if everyone agrees. ;___;

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Originally Posted by Divest

This is no fun if everyone agrees. ;___;

Give it a little time. I am sure a conservative will come in and call us all horrible, immoral people shortly.

Maybe.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I doubt it. Not with two powerhousers coming in and already stating their support in legalizing prostitution.

Where's LordsSword?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Divest

Where's LordsSword?

In hiding after 2 infractions, likely.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

In hiding after 2 infractions, likely.

Where have you kids been? That guy got the heave ho for trolling and advertising.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

There was recently a debate in the news about this recently.

With the Olympic games coming to Vancouver BC in 2010, there was group of people in the *consort* business that wanted to buy some downtown building to regulate the business. They stated that with all the soon to be business coming in *from athletes especially*, they wanted to have a base of operations so they could have proper facilities, which would also provide proper book keeping, protection for the employee's (health wise and physically, as they could hire bouncers etc..), and just overall make things better.

Their biggest opposition however was not the government, but various Feminism groups who are outright against it, stating the profession demeans women (no group up in arms for the male Gigaloo's tough), and hurts family values etc..

These groups seem to overlook the fact that even if they outlaw this, the women are still going to be doing the job, just in a much less safe way. At least making it legal will as previously said, make it taxable and have it so it can contribute more to the economy. It also lowers rape crimes as well.

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From an economic and safety viewpoint, legalization of Prostitution (Or Sex for Money) makes sense: Currently any illegal prostitution is tax-free money, meaning the government will never directly get its cut of that $20 you gave to 'Sally' for a quickie.

So let's say we open official and well-indicated places for consensual adults to get Sex for Payment. (Consort Business as it would be called, has a nice right to it):

First Effect: For one thing, Pimps and Street-walkers would soon be driven from said streets. There would not only be competition, but competition which would not be barred down by Police.

Second effect: These 'Ranches' or whatever they decide to call them, would pay taxes as any other business would, so the government can get a slice of that. The business-owners and sex workers themselves would also get a cut (And to keep costs down for the customer, I imagine the workers would be salaried and get most of the money from Tips, as do Waitresses, Pizza Delivery people, and so on).

Third Effect: Sex Workers would be protected from violence and have access to (probably) great Health Plans, as well as required screenings for STDs and the like. Meaning the chance of sleeping with an infected person goes way down.

Fourth Effect: Infidelity and Rape crimes would probably go down. If some idiot really wants to get screwed, he can pay out the $100 an hour and be done with it, instead of going out and harming some innocent woman (or man!).

Sorry Divest, but I support this. The only real opposition is from a moral standpoint, and even then, one could argue that opponents would rather have Consorts be harmed rather then staying safe. The thing is, when people think of 'Legalization of Prostitution', the mental image is that now the street-walkers will continue forth, but with no penalty. If supporters want even moderates to support the idea, they need to drill into the voters mind that Legalization = Ranch-Style Bordellos, and that Street-Walkers would now be extra-prosecuted, as there is now a legal and safer alternative. However since its a good idea with lots of Pros and Few cons, the current congress and/or administration will vehemently oppose it, since they seem to oppose ANY good idea lately.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I am a conservative, I am picketing this thread.



But anyways, if they do make prositution legal, they will need HEAVY infulence in the midwest. Seriously, fucking anything east of Nevada, and everything West of Virginia is completely fuckboring.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

A somewhat related topic I made during the summer http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/po...-legal-us.html

I questioned why porn was legal when prostitution isn't because no matter how you sugercoat it, they are still being paid to have sex.

Everybody has already covered just about anything I could possibly add to the conversation however, the idea that this would reduce the number of rape crimes, I'm not so sure about that. I'm sure it would have some effect on the number of them, but from what I've read about many rape cases is that people don't commit rape just because they want sex. Most people commit rape because of the feeling of power it gives them, because they're violating someone and that the person can't do anything about it.

You have to think about how irrational alot of criminals can be. How many people rape that are also married? And I'm not talking about married guys whose wife won't give them any, in alot of cases it's some guy that the whole community is shocked they would do such a thing. Then there are all the scumbags that rape their own kids. Also how often do people steal shit just because they're a cheap skate? So you'd still have people who might rape because they don't want to spend money. I just find it hard to believe legal prostitution would really do all that much to reduce the number of rapes.

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Everything that you just said there has little or no bearing on this thread.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I was commenting on a point that other people had made, that was all. I honestly don't care whether prostitution is legalized or not. I'm not against it, but even if it was legalized I'd never make use of it since the only girl I'd ever want to have sex with is one I care about.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I can think of plenty of reasons not to legalize prostitution that doesn't involve morality. I'm a fiscal conservative.

1. Prices would go up.

States would be given a monopoly on the sex trade. No different then the monopoly a lot of states have on tobacco and alcohol. This would not increase competition, nor would it lower the cost. The exact opposite would occur.

Anything considered a "vice" in the United States would inevitably be taxed more. Whenever taxes need to be raised, alcohol and tobacco are usually the first ones to get hit. Even in blue states. I'm not even gonna touch regulation. I'm way too bias.

Of course, this is all just relative to what men are paying whores today. Gold digging whores hold out for a wedding ring, an SUV, and a home in the suburbs. Classy whores usually require a meal and/or a movie. Low-bred whores only needing a drink or two.

2. It would empower modern feminism.

Legalizing prostitution would cause all sorts of cries of "legalized" rape and "exploitation" from feminists. Nevermind the fact that prostitutes would be "exploiting" lonely men of money. Feminists could attract more support for their ideology where they wouldn't be able to find it before. Namely from social conservatives.

Modern day feminism has not changed anything for the better for anyone. Unfortunately it has caused gender suspicion and hatred mutually. Kinda like how Marxism causes mutual class suspicion and hatred. Legalizing prostitution would only increase the tensions between the sexes.

If only I had a whore for everytime I've heard a modern feminism accuse all men of being -potential- rapists. It would've made pre-law courses involving crime, particularly rape crime bearable.

3. Making sex a legalized commodity is a mistake.

All sorts of unintended consequences would result. Just watch me or some other dickwad slap down as many patents and copyrights as they can once sex becomes a legally recognized commodity.

Think about what companies like Monsanto have done for agriculture.

No, just keep it illegal. Everybody already knows that laws only matter if you get caught anyhow.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Besides - the hoes don't hurt anyone. Sure, they may indirectly ruin a marriage or break up a family - but that wasn't their choice. It's the customer's choice to pay money for sexual trade.

This is a reason for women to want to keep prostitution illegal. If sex is the only thing a woman has to offer in a marriage then it is in her best interests to monopolize sex as much as possible.

Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

however, the idea that this would reduce the number of rape crimes, I'm not so sure about that.

I agree, but not for the same reasons.

Last time I checked the rate at which the FBI received false accusations of rape was only around 40%. There's so much more room for expansion. Especially with an increase of paranoia by feminists.

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Originally Posted by Watts

1. Prices would go up.

States would be given a monopoly on the sex trade. No different then the monopoly a lot of states have on tobacco and alcohol. This would not increase competition, nor would it lower the cost. The exact opposite would occur.

Anything considered a "vice" in the United States would inevitably be taxed more. Whenever taxes need to be raised, alcohol and tobacco are usually the first ones to get hit. Even in blue states. I'm not even gonna touch regulation. I'm way too bias.

Of course, this is all just relative to what men are paying whores today. Gold digging whores hold out for a wedding ring, an SUV, and a home in the suburbs. Classy whores usually require a meal and/or a movie. Low-bred whores only needing a drink or two.

O no, women will earn more than $5 for a blow job, how horrible!

(Tax the fuck out of it, I say. You want it? You pay for it. How is this a bad thing.)

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2. It would empower modern feminism.

Legalizing prostitution would cause all sorts of cries of "legalized" rape and "exploitation" from feminists. Nevermind the fact that prostitutes would be "exploiting" lonely men of money. Feminists could attract more support for their ideology where they wouldn't be able to find it before. Namely from social conservatives.

Modern day feminism has not changed anything for the better for anyone. Unfortunately it has caused gender suspicion and hatred mutually. Kinda like how Marxism causes mutual class suspicion and hatred. Legalizing prostitution would only increase the tensions between the sexes.

If only I had a whore for everytime I've heard a modern feminism accuse all men of being -potential- rapists. It would've made pre-law courses involving crime, particularly rape crime bearable.

Who the hell cares. It's like listening to PETA because they're anti-....anti-human, I guess. ^_^

If the feminists were smart, they'd embrace the ideal. It's protecting women in legalizing it. Maybe the only way to show some people how that works is if you make them work in the current industry, and then in the proposed industry.

Whether women like it or not, sex in general is a commodity. Male, female, whatever - it's commodity. It has been for thousands of years, and will continue to be, illegal or not. Neither you nor anyone else will change this.

Until you physiologically make sex less pleasant than it is, you're not going to change this fact.

Best to make it safe and clean for those who chose to work in the industry.

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3. Making sex a legalized commodity is a mistake.

Well, there's an opinion if I've ever heard one. Does this constitute a factual statement, or just your opinion?

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All sorts of unintended consequences would result. Just watch me or some other dickwad slap down as many patents and copyrights as they can once sex becomes a legally recognized commodity.

Think about what companies like Monsanto have done for agriculture.

Could you explain how you went from selling sex to Monsato and agriculture? I mean, I THINK I see the point you're trying to make, but from my perspective, you're so off base with this one. =/

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No, just keep it illegal. Everybody already knows that laws only matter if you get caught anyhow.

Why should a paralyzed man who can't get laid otherwise go to prison because he was trying to offer a whore some cash to get his dick wet? Or even some college kid, a married man, whatever?

What's the crime there?

Put real criminals in jail - not horny men.

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This is a reason for women to want to keep prostitution illegal.

Thanks for telling me what we all think! I appreciate that!

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If sex is the only thing a woman has to offer in a marriage then it is in her best interests to monopolize sex as much as possible.

Who said it's the "only thing" a woman has to offer?

Pussy is a commodity. Ain't no denyin' brotha. It's not the lifestyle I'd chose for myself, but I don't see why any American, red-blooded woman can't chose to sell her own body for cash.

That is a right that should be left up to her, and her entirely.

Which, ha ha, comes full circle when I mention that in a legalized, controlled environment, it would be more her choice than ever. Do you know how many women are in the sex industry unwillingly these days? It's scary.

They are most vulnerable when the market isn't regulated.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

To be honest, what would be the big difference between legalizing prostitution, and oh, let's say building an amusement park?

Both would be taxable, both would offer thrilling rides, fun and games in a safe, secure environment. The only difference is, instead of "you have to be this tall to ride" It would be "You have to be this old to ride".

The risks would potentially be the same in some ways. Each faction has their own one or two percent chance, in a million, to fail. Whether it be a rollar coaster breaking down, or one of the girls you paid for for the hour might have the clap. Either way, low, low risk.

Of course the biggest thing, with our 'christian fueled moral government' is that there, of course, was no passage in the good bible saying "Thou shall not seek thrills in a bouncy castle." Which is probably why America, who is always greedy for that money money money, hasn't gone into making prostitution legal.

Disclaimer: This was all in good fun in comparing Disney Land with Super Neon Man Man Land.

Edit/Add on: Also, who's to really say that this field, if made legal, would be dominated by women? I'm sure a lot of men out there secretly wish to be man-whores. Rarely do you see footage of females going into a chipndales or whatever, to get them a peice of man beef...because, quite frankly, the media always seems to turn towards the females to sell sex, (look at the AXE commercials for christ's sake). Hell, the annoynmity(sp?) of it all would almost guarantee that there would be a lot of bitchy, high office working females wanting their crack at a younger fabio look alike. Sure, men are pigs, but you throw a single, buff guy wearing white cufflings and a black tie around his neck, and nothing more, into a pit of women...hoooo boy you don't see much afterwards

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