Products of Creation Science

What I like most about the Bible is how people always have to explain everything it says at length, modifying what is said in the text as they see fit to explain phenomena that the guys who wrote could obviously not understand for what they actually where because of a lack of scientific knowledge.

If that book really did have all the answers, no one would have to comment on it, for it would have imposed itself by and of itself.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I think we seem to be missing the point here... It's a dinosaur... with a SADDLE ON ITS BACK. And there's a PONCHO PROTECTING THE ANIMAL'S BACK.

Look... I know the reality of my Mexican people. We're fence jumpers, not experienced game hunters. You don't think we'd catch a dinosaur, do you?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Stop Sign

Science, in its purest form, is free of agenda. That means waving SCIENCE around like a banner and then associating competing theories with moral depravity and genocide is, at best, hypocritical and completely cynical.

Science is free of agendas but people are not. Fraud for the sake of proving evolution has been tried many times by its proponents. http://www.time.com/time/2007/crimes/3.html

Folks we eat sleep & breath agendas please spare me of all the judgments.

Originally Posted by Stop Sign

Besides. If the evidence for creation science was strong enough to stand on its own, there would be no need to manipulate the emotions of the visitors by invoking Nazism and bestiality, right

Without knowing more about the basic intent of this place I can only conclude that it is built to manipulate people. Nothing new, we can go anywhere else and say the same thing.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

We're not getting into it, LordSword, because it's been discussed here ad nauseum with a defender of your idiocy who was much more talented at it than you. And, you fucking moron, science never claims to be absolutely right. However, overwhelming evidence is overwhelming evidence.

I'm glad a more talented person failed to change your mind. This means I get a turn.
I see this overwhelming evidence statement and wonder if you folks have seen it yourselves.
"I want to see" "Prove it" you say.

What is it about the sources of your overwhelming evidence that has your complete unquestioning trust? Remember after all youre being taught survival of the fittest doctrine whos to say youre not the one being eaten alive?

I noticed skepticism is the reigning authority here, funny you dont use it against the sources that provide your evidences.

Thanks folks for the replys. That review was the most helpful. It helps me to see the other side of things.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

What is it about the sources of your overwhelming evidence that has your complete unquestioning trust?

What is it about an invisible man in the sky who judges you for your actions that has YOUR complete unquestioning trust? What are you fucking retarded? Science, research, billions upon billions of dollars spent on finding out the truth, I'd say that is pretty fucking convincing, whereas all you have going for you is a best selling book of fictional stories. Fuck off. Go visit a science museum you dipshit. Better yet, just go read an encyclopedia, or a science text book.

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Remember after all youre being taught survival of the fittest doctrine whos to say youre not the one being eaten alive?

Food chain, bitch. We're at the top. Animals don't deep fry us, we deep fry them. The only thing above us is inclement weather and the bubonic plague.

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I noticed skepticism is the reigning authority here, funny you dont use it against the sources that provide your evidences.

Because our reigning authority consists of actual human beings and not mythical figures, you fucking dolt.

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Thanks folks for the replys. That review was the most helpful. It helps me to see the other side of things.

Excellent, go kill yourself now.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Science is free of agendas but people are not. Fraud for the sake of proving evolution has been tried many times by its proponents.

Okay, so lets go to the Creation Museum and see what you have as evidence, shall we...?





Wait, what? Catholicism has to do with dinosaurs? Oh shi--



Hold on...



Wait a second...!



I SAID SLOW DOWN, MY MIND CAN'T TAKE THIS...



WHAT. WHAT. WHAT.



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GTFO

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

I'm glad a more talented person failed to change your mind. This means I get a turn.

No. This means that you, due to lack of common sense, waive the right to said turn.

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I noticed skepticism is the reigning authority here, funny you dont use it against the sources that provide your evidences.

The sources which bring me this evidence have been consistent in bringing hard evidence to the table. HARD EVIDENCE. Things you can touch and feel. Dude... I've never seen Noah's Ark. I've never seen the remains of the slain Goliath. Shit... Even the supposed shroud of Christ is still in doubt by devout Christians. This, by the way should tell you something.

The sources I see who provide counterpoints here are also people who I can speak to and look in the eye. I will NEVER believe the "written word" of a "god" who doesn't bother so much as showing his face, simple as that.

I mean, seriously dude... Dinosaurs coexisting with humans? I thought that shit was laughable when I saw it as a kid on THE FLINTSTONES.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

I'm glad a more talented person failed to change your mind. This means I get a turn.
I see this overwhelming evidence statement and wonder if you folks have seen it yourselves.
"I want to see" "Prove it" you say.

The reason we can't readily supply any evidence to support evolution is because it's a widely accepted fact by sane people. We would be hard pressed to find scientific papers supporting geo-spherical evidence or heliocentric theory, simply because everyone who isn't retarded knows that the earth is round and it revolves around the sun.

And the reason nobody likes you or Creationists is because you ejaculate in the face of common sense and reason. You brush aside scientific theory and seek answers from a single, unfounded source that was never designed to define the physical world. The tragic flaw of the faithful is the falure to comprehend one undeniable truth: Just because you want something to be true, doesn't make it so.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Encephalon

I mean, seriously dude... Dinosaurs coexisting with humans? I thought that shit was laughable when I saw it as a kid on THE FLINTSTONES.

Whats even more hilarious is that apparently, the world is only 6 thousand years old!

I cannot fucking fathom being so...gullible.

I'll never understand how faith can blind someone so much.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

What is it about the sources of your overwhelming evidence that has your complete unquestioning trust? Remember after all youre being taught survival of the fittest doctrine whos to say youre not the one being eaten alive?

Even if we were, it doesn't disprove the theory, it validates it. Unlike your stupid doctrine, ours doesn't say we're the final, chosen species to ever exist. You arrogant prat.

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I noticed skepticism is the reigning authority here, funny you dont use it against the sources that provide your evidences.

Actually, we have. That's why science is constantly reworking and moving away from the initial theory and expanding. It's the reason I took evolutionary and vertebrate biology in university. It's the reason we read constant texts and new information on DNA, Mitochondria, and genetic drift and you stick to YOUR bible. We constantly use our skepticism against our own sources. That's why we're bloody skeptics. It's just that their theories are leaps, bounds and bloody canyons (like the grand, that wasn't created in 40 days and 40 nights. We know this because we know how long it takes minerals to break down.) ahead of yours in terms of logic and evidence. Stop trying. You're too stupid to even be a proper zealot these days.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by sprouticus

Science, research, billions upon billions of dollars spent on finding out the truth, I'd say that is pretty fucking convincing,

Who told you about the millions of dollars & research? Do you really know where your answers come from?

Originally Posted by sprouticus

Food chain, bitch. We're at the top. Animals don't deep fry us, we deep fry them. The only thing above us is inclement weather and the bubonic plague.

People eat each other daily. There are more sophisticated methods of consuming your prey.

Originally Posted by sprouticus

Because our reigning authority consists of actual human beings and not mythical figures, you fucking dolt.

What human beings? Do you know them as well as a person who says they got their instruction from God?

Originally Posted by LeHah

Okay, so lets go to the Creation Museum and see what you have as evidence, shall we...?

I knew someone here would provide what I was looking for. Thanks.
I can see your point. The slant that I see leaves out what the science mind is looking for.
Dont get me wrong.
Science is one of my favorite subjects. If I wasnt so big into art I would be in the radio & electrical field.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Actually, we have. That's why science is constantly reworking and moving away from the initial theory and expanding.

Expand on this please.
I read this book, your view sounds like theirs.
In Six Days

You people and your language. You only demean yourselves with your tirades. Show me how intelligent you are by using your intellect. Rough statements only undermine what you have to say.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Who told you about the millions of dollars & research? Do you really know where your answers come from?

Are you disputing the money spent on research? I can assure you - plenty is spent. I work in the industry.

You can talk down to all of us as much as you like. You're an instigator. You try to start your religious fire wherever you go on these forums. It's almost as though you're trolling.

Fact of the matter is this: we have the skepticism needed to take an honest, unbiased look at the universe in which we live. The goal of science is to understand the place we live, and how we fit in.

You just eat up whatever some zealot scared you into believing.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

People eat each other daily.

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People eat each other daily.

WHAT!?!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by whinehurst

WHAT!?!

I'm sure his church told him how BARBARIC we atheists are!

WE EAT EACH OTHER UP! ALL THE TIME, WHINEHURST!

Would you like to partake in this fantastic femur I have over here? Nice and tender.

(Or maybe he's talking about oral sex. WHO THE FUCK KNOWS with this kid.)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Would you like to partake in this fantastic femur I have over here? Nice and tender.

Only with a knife and fork though. We must be sophisticated in consuming our prey.

And the Gray Poupon, don't forget that.

FELIPE NO

Honestly people, what he's trying to say there isn't that fucking difficult to grasp.
You know, what with the rich people getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the powerful preying on the weak, etc.

If you're going to laugh at him for something, make it about something that doesn't make you look like a retarded tool. Trust me, there is tons of material available.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Expand on this please.

That's pretty much what he was doing for the rest of the paragraph.


LordsSword, I think you're full of shit, but at the same time I agree with you that most of the people in this thread are idiots for posting line after line of "you fucking cunt-puncher" instead of just proving you wrong quickly and civilly. You know something is awry when the only person to make an intelligent, well thought out argument is LeHah.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by packrat

Honestly people, what he's trying to say there isn't that fucking difficult to grasp.
You know, what with the rich people getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the powerful preying on the weak, etc.

If you're going to laugh at him for something, make it about something that doesn't make you look like a retarded tool. Trust me, there is tons of material available.

See, we were trying to divert from his typical diatribe. We've all heard it from him before. We were making light. Relax.

(If you hadn't noticed, LordSword seriously starts the same argument in every forum he can. It gets boring.)

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Wait.....What????????????? Dragons??? I always wanted to ride one of those babies.

I like how the sign doesn't explain shit. How is that "dragon legends" are EVIDENCE?

That means that Elf chicks were real too. I want one so bad .

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

See, we were trying to divert from his typical diatribe. We've all heard it from him before. We were making light. Relax.

(If you hadn't noticed, LordSword seriously starts the same argument in every forum he can. It gets boring.)

Sorry. My bad.
Its just so embarrassing to read though. Like watching Elf all over again.

(I noticed. I also understand that any comments, regardless of content, are interpreted by such one-track-minds as "hey they're reading what I say, there is hope yet")

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

That's pretty much what he was doing for the rest of the paragraph.

Not to my satisfaction. The statement of "moving away from initial theory..."
Precisely what theory & where to is what I am looking for.
The notion that I am & idiot does work to my advantage, educate me please.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

AYou can talk down to all of us as much as you like. You're an instigator. You try to start your religious fire wherever you go on these forums. It's almost as though you're trolling.

What do you mean "almost"?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Not to my satisfaction.

"You can't rape the willing people. KEEP THRUSTING DEEP INTO ME!"

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The statement of "moving away from initial theory..."
Precisely what theory & where to is what I am looking for.
The notion that I am & idiot does work to my advantage, educate me please.

We can't educate you. One can only be educated when he or she is willing to at least acknowledge the facts presented to them. You will forever refuse to do so in lieu of "your book" being the de-facto standard of all reasonable and cognitive thought process. You use this as an off-shoot to stir further argument for, um... the sake of argument.

Seriously... Get off your high horse, you baiting bint. This is your first warning.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

LordsSword, I think you're full of shit, but at the same time I agree with you that most of the people in this thread are idiots for posting line after line of "you fucking cunt-puncher" instead of just proving you wrong quickly and civilly.

That's primarily because this debate has happened over and over again across the forum with him and anyone who's seen one of the previous incarnations knows that he doesn't acknowledge logic, so you might as well try insults.

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What human beings? Do you know them as well as a person who says they got their instruction from God?

The human beings we listen to publish their studies, actions, and conclusions in peer-reviewed journals and are able to (and regularly have to) defend their claims against logical and technical objections. The numbers don't come out of thin air.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Encephalon

We can't educate you. One can only be educated when he or she is willing to at least acknowledge the facts presented to them.

You can pound the table and say "fact" but it takes more than that to get me to listen.
I purposfully frustrate because I search for the mature among you to converse with. Some here have risen to a higher standard because they believe that they can educate me.
Its the can do people that have made the best points, with the review and images. Those are the types I listen to.
Humor us, by just answering my questions. I only want to learn.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Science is free of agendas but people are not. Fraud for the sake of proving evolution has been tried many times by its proponents. Top 25 Crimes of the Century - The Fake Ape-Man - TIME

One hoax does not undermine the entire weight of evidence for evolution. If that were true, then I can point to any fraudster who uses the Bible in his schemes (re: Jim Bakker), and then imply that the Bible is completely wrong.

And, you do realize that it was, uh, other scientists who discovered the forgery, right? Instead of blindly citing a source to try to make a point, why don't you, er, try to understand it completely first before using it? What a concept!

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Folks we eat sleep & breath agendas please spare me of all the judgments.

Without knowing more about the basic intent of this place I can only conclude that it is built to manipulate people. Nothing new, we can go anywhere else and say the same thing.

No. No, no and no.

You're simply assuming that all people have agendas, and all institutions are manipulating emotions in the same naked, ham-fisted way the Creation Museum is doing. You don't seem to understand the simple difference between emotional manipulation and persuasive argument based on evidence. That is either sheer ignorance or sheer cynicism, and good science doesn't have either.

You can walk into any respectable museum of natural history that discusses evolution, and you won't find exhibits accusing creationists of anything, let alone Naziism and bestiality. Tell me this, then - why is it, then, for a institution that purports to promote Biblical philosophy, why do they spend all that effort slandering the people who disagree with them? Yessirree, that's a real paragon of Christian values there, golly-gumdrops!

My point is, if you walked into any museum, it'll stand in stark contrast to how utterly manipulative that Creation museum is. If the evidence in the Creation museum were really that strong (and if LeHah's post is anything to go by, it's, uh, not), there wouldn't even be a need for this kind of appeal to the emotion.

Also, I stand by my point that good science is agenda-free : the point of science is to draw conclusions based on observed evidence. Creation "science" seems to be backwards - starting from the conclusion, and then trying to find something -anything to fit it. That is not science.

Implying that everyone has an agenda just shows how ignorant you are. If you actually knew a lot of scientists, you'll know that they're like any other group of people - there are good scientists, and bad scientists. But by no means are ALL of them carrying some kind of SIKRIT AGENDA deep in their hearts or something stupid like that.

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

Who told you about the millions of dollars & research? Do you really know where your answers come from?

Again, this shows your ignorance. Scientists in academia have to work their asses off to win money for their research through government, institutional and corporate grants. Anyone's who in the sciences knows this. You really need to get yourself educated in this before mouthing off like that.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

You can pound the table and say "fact" but it takes more than that to get me to listen.
I purposfully frustrate because I search for the mature among you to converse with.

Awesome, now we're the immature ones. This guy is brilliant.

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Humor us, by just answering my questions. I only want to learn.

We are, you fucking cunt-puncher (sorry knk, I love that one). You AREN'T LISTENING TO US, which is what you constant do here. We give you our reasons, and then you sit there with your bible and say "it's not enough." How the fuck can you be serious? One book of stories somehow commands more power than all the time, money, and effort that has gone into scientific theories? Open your eyes, you moron.

There's nowhere I can't reach.