The Immigration Protests

No, trust me, that is the most civilized way of handling someone who thinks cannon fodder needs twelve years of high school education on the US Army's dime.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The whole point behind the idea of allowing these people to serve in the military is so they can become citizens, not die. I don't agree with this idea because that means that I have to serve with these people on the battlefield and is another expense that my tax dollars will have to pay for.

Maybe you don't understand how our military works but we do not operate by throwing people who do not speak our language on the front lines. That is outright stupid and dangerous. If they ever decided to allow these people citizenship by enlistment in the military they would have to be trained and that training would have to include teaching them English which is not a fast process and time equals money. By allowing illegal aliens on the battlefield with out that training you are putting at risk not only the illegal at risk but also the lives of everyone around them.

You seem to have missed my point. My point was not to suggest that we train these people to the level they need in order for them to be competent soldiers, it was to point out that it would be a waste of money to do so.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Help, I don't know what an entrance exam is!

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by GRUN-3

Help, I don't know what an entrance exam is!

lol

Then what is your solution to this situation?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

My solution is that we deport you, as your retardation will only taint our great genepool.

Of course, as I haven't had twelve years of high school, perhaps I'm not the right person to ask.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Good luck with that. A fine reason why I am a proponent of gun ownership rights.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Good point. Chicks do not dig retarded gun-nuts, so you're unlikely to have children.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

I was under the opinion that all the internet's immature assholes had congregated in CS:S, but I've been proved wrong.

You were "under the opinion"? I take it english is your second language, because that... doesn't make a lick of sense.

That aside, I'm not sure if every asshole on the internet is at this CS:S place. I mean, I'm here, you're here. Shit, you should be at that place before me given that you improperly assumed every asshole was there and even then got the goddamned setence structure wrong.

Tell me - are you typing this during study hall? You sound like a 14 year old with a Ramones t-shirt and a spiked wristband.

Originally Posted by gukarma

I didnt know you wanted to lose the war, lehah.

Which war? The war on poverty? Drugs? Iraq? Terrorism? AIDS?

There isn't a war on illegal immigration, last I checked. It'll size up as a "policing action" at most, given the deployment of reserves to the Mexican border.

Originally Posted by Gumby

Lehah, enlisting these people into the military is not a viable option. Reason being, as it stands the military spends hundreds of thousands of dollars training soldiers who have already a high school degree.

While what you said does make a lot of sense - you have to agree with one fact in this situation.

No one fucking cares about the Mexicans.

So instead of sending out "our boys" to foreign lands, send out the border jumpers. Canon fodder, as it were. Wetbacks armed with minimal education and a rifle with a clip. While, yes, cost is certainly a thing to consider - the fact that we'd be sending those that are all but acknowledged second-rate citizens off to face all-but-certain death would solve our problems.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by LeHah

You were "under the opinion"? I take it english is your second language, because that... doesn't make a lick of sense.

That aside, I'm not sure if every asshole on the internet is at this CS:S place. I mean, I'm here, you're here. Shit, you should be at that place before me given that you improperly assumed every asshole was there and even then got the goddamned setence structure wrong.

Tell me - are you typing this during study hall? You sound like a 14 year old with a Ramones t-shirt and a spiked wristband.

Replace 'under' with 'of'. You weren't so fucking stupid that you couldn't understand it. Quite frankly, I'm shocked.

And in the process of flaming, it might be a good idea to actually know what the fuck you are flaming the guy about. Sentence structure wasn't screwed up, I believe the word you were looking for there was VOCABULARY.

By the way: CS:S - Counter Strike: Source.

I don't have a 'study hall.' I'm in college.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

I don't have a 'study hall.' I'm in college.

And what a fine job your doing with your parent's money.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by LeHah

And what a fine job your doing with your parent's money.

Actually, I'm paying for nearly all of it via loans & my own money. Money I've earned at a JOB although I don't expect you to know that kind of experience, being that you don't cross the IQ barrier to attain one.

But thank you.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

Actually, I'm paying for nearly all of it via loans & my own money. Money I've earned at a JOB although I don't expect you to know that kind of experience, being that you don't cross the IQ barrier to attain one.

Oh, little man, if only you knew.

Remind me one day, and I'll show you what life is outside of Grover's Corners.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

GUMBY, NO ONE HAS HAD TWLEVE YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON?

I'm wiling to bet most of these immigrants are smarter than you to begin with, besides I didn't realise pulling a trigger required intelligence.

Anyone can pick up English if they're absorbed in it for a couple of months, EVEN YOU!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

While what you said does make a lot of sense - you have to agree with one fact in this situation.

No one fucking cares about the Mexicans.

So instead of sending out "our boys" to foreign lands, send out the border jumpers. Canon fodder, as it were. Wetbacks armed with minimal education and a rifle with a clip. While, yes, cost is certainly a thing to consider - the fact that we'd be sending those that are all but acknowledged second-rate citizens off to face all-but-certain death would solve our problems.

Truth is I don't really care if you send this people to Iraq in my place as I am like you LeHah, I don't want them in my country. I just don't ever see this happening. You are not the first person to have suggested such an idea, but even you managed to gain the support of the president or some other high ranking official on this I’m sure the military would fight it with every ounce of power they have. This is because they know you can’t just throw these people out in the field and expect anything from them, otherwise you’d just end up with a lot of deserters, cowards, dead bodies, and a large waste of money because you had to ship them there and minimally equip them. All that will come of this is a complete waste. If your goal is simply to kill these people, there are FAR easier and more effect ways to do that.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Gumby

otherwise you’d just end up with a lot of deserters, cowards, dead bodies...

Who cares? They'd all be in Iraq

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Gumby

If your goal is simply to kill these people, there are FAR easier and more effect ways to do that.

Yeah, but gas chambers are so 1940s.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I just heard on the radio that Vicente Fox has threatened to sue America if we try to guard our own border. I'm looking on the net to see if I can find a source to this claim. I swear this guy has to be mildly retarded to think that making threats against us will get him anywhere.

I was speaking idiomatically.

My question would be what legal realm does he have to sue? Especially if we build the wall very obviously on our territory.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I have no idea how he plans to do so. From the way they make it sound, he plans on suing us in our own courts.

FELIPE NO

Y'know, it's shit like this that almost makes me wish that we bombed the living shit out of Mexico instead of Iraq.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I guess at the very least they will be building a fence... How this stops someone with bolt cutters or any other heavy duty cutting tool for that matter baffles me. We need a little more than just a fence.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Gumby

I guess at the very least they will be building a fence... How this stops someone with bolt cutters or any other heavy duty cutting tool for that matter baffles me. We need a little more than just a fence.

No permanent or semi-permanent structure I can think of will have an appreciable effect. The only thing that would is putting piles of money into tons of soldiers (or call them what you will) to patrol the border(s).

Double Post:

Originally Posted by Gumby

Good luck with that. A fine reason why I am a proponent of gun ownership rights.

Wow. Any excuse to start a one man armed stand against, uh, whatever eh? I still don't understand why some people argued against you in the 'gun thread'.

/aside.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I'm all for the wall. I just hope it's daunting enough to be an effective deterrant.

Also, Gumby is right. Educated soldiers fight smarter and more efficiently. It all works towards a successful victory in the long haul. However, the U.S. has always relied on its minority populations to serve in the frontlines. You have to send someone when recruiting numbers are thinning out.
It also looks like Bush's speech Monday breathed some new life for the Dream Act. Pretty controversial, especially the provision detailing an eventual chance for citizenship.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by insertnamehere

Another thing is that when their getting deported they will be held in jail cells with criminals.

You mean crossing the border illegally doesn't make you a criminal?

WHOA. My mind is blown. Please elaborate on this.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by PUG1911

No permanent or semi-permanent structure I can think of will have an appreciable effect. The only thing that would is putting piles of money into tons of soldiers (or call them what you will) to patrol the border(s).

That is my thought exactly. Not unless there is someone guarding this structure, there is no point in putting a fence up that will do nothing to stop someone from jumping over it.

If put to the task the military could easily close down the border though the use of a 100 or so UAVs to detect people crossing the border and a small mobile ground forces that could be air lifted to the location of the border jumpers. It takes two people to pilot a UAV, so working 8 hours on and 16 hour off there is 600 people needed to patrol the border. Shit even if you doubled the number of UAVs in the sky at any one time that is still only 1200 or so soldiers needed. This would allow the more effective use of the border patrol because their only task then becomes going out and picking these people up. These politicians make it sound like you need a 10,000 man force sitting on the border to close it down, but that is a load of shit.

I was speaking idiomatically.