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I doubt that. The struggle in Iraq is a power one and people have forgotten him. I'm not for the death penalty and quite honestly, the trial was a fucking joke. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
So were the Nuremburg Trials after World War II, but I don't hear you people complaining about that.
If you win the war, you get to hold trials for people by saying they violated laws that you created after the fact and execute them. It's all a formality. It'd be a lot easier to just shoot them on the battlefield than go through all the formalities. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Except, technically, we haven't won the war in Iraq. We're just kicking around the sand right now, waiting for more absolute orders than "stay the course".
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We won enough to hold phony trials, and that's all that really matters in the end. Women. Am I right fellas?
I was speaking idiomatically. |
I wonder how long it'll be before this latest judge gets assassinated? He must be shitting himself right now after giving that verdict.
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If by winning you mean that we destroyed the Iraqi Army and deposed its leadership, yes, we've won. If by winning you mean that we turned Iraq into the shining beacon of Democracy that is the envy of the rest of the Arab world, then, no, we haven't won - yet. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
And never will - ever.
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while there may have been no victory in iraq inasmuch as the country is a stable place with the us government's seal-of-approval, there has been a victory on the side of the "allies." that is to say: a despot WAS deposed, a newer government has been (begun to have been, anyway) set up, and that country has even put its former tyrant on trial. these are for the most part positive changes in that they are helping a country that was in an ambiguous-at-best place before this "war." however, when it comes to victory in the sense of completion and achieving of initial goals... i'm not sure that is a possibility. achieving the initial goals is pretty much impossible due to the fact that the initial goals (at least those presented to the public by the US gov't) are unachievable. we can't eliminate WMDs that don't exist, we can't cut back support that wasn't being given by the iraqis to al qaeda, and we can't force a new form of government on an entire people with their full cooperation and excitement. victory as completion is basically impossible because completing the creation of a government simply doesn't happen. the US has been around for more than 200 years and we've still got PLENTY of kinks in our system. also, there will always be rebels and insurgents who will act radically, and right now this war is mostly fighting them. the problem is, they aren't a good target to fight in the same way terrorists are difficult to target - they don't necessarily act cohesively, they often are more than willing to die for their cause, and their major goal is to stall their enemy (which is a goal achieved simply by having an enemy engaged). so, in those respects, we never will have a victory. and i agree with Capo. however, in the way that Gechmir was describing it, we have had a victory. but i guess my main point is that having this (more technical) victory, and now having successfully tried and convicted and sentenced the former tyrant of the country we invaded ---- what's left to do there considering the fact that a more satisfying victory, like the one i described above, is essentially unreachable? There's nowhere I can't reach. |
Of course, that seems remarkably unlikely at this stage, and god knows the current administration hasn't a clue how to prevent that. So they're keeping the boots on the ground, and American soldiers continue to die in what's amounting to a stalling tactic. As for Saddam: who cares. This was a largely foregone conclusion, and I can't imagine much of anyone will be mourning or lamenting his death. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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There is no victory where massive military operations are still on going, where troops are still being murdered daily by the dissolved Iraqi army that hides amongst the population and uses guerilla tactics. Saddam was deposed and caught, but I see no military victory at all.
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With a cut-and-run tactic always in display, nothing will get done. Hate to quote the beaten-to-death saying, but stay the course. FELIPE NO
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Look at Japan during WWII. They start the fight on Dec 7, 1941, and after years of war and rebuilding, we don't finally exit a new soverign democratized Japan until April 28, 1952. It only took us 3 years to get them to surrender, but the rebuilding process cost nearly a million US dollars a day (which was a shitload in the 40s) and lasted for an additional 8 years. We had 350,000 troops occupying Japan for that time. Even after the turnover we continued to occupy Okinawa until 72'. The rebuilding of a state including a complete political culture overhaul takes time, but as with the example of Japan, it can be worth the investment. Now Japan is a powerful ally and is one of the most prosperous states on the globe. Granted Iraq is a completely different situation, but we've only been there for 3 years while we were patient enough to rebuild Japan for 10. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
OK, i'll admit you can be victorious in a battle (even several battles like Lee), while losing the war overall. Ultimately, it's the war that matters the most. In the case of Iraq, the jury is still out on that one.
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The jury is still out, but that's not the point. The point is we've won enough to help the Iraqis assemble a kangaroo court, and there's not shit anybody can do about it.
Saying that it'll "take time" will not be enough for people that are monitoring these events, and understand how many losses of personnel and materiel are stacking up. The Japanese weren't hiding in pits ready to strike the arming pin for an unexploded bomb as tanks rolled over them during the occupation. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
I might be out on a limb but my government class was talking about this and I was wonder what happened to his brothers.
This will probably be the last time I post in the polititcal place wont it? This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. I just wanna make it to forty two so I can feel just in every grouchy thing I say or do. |
I don't see why. It's a legitimate question and isn't too far off-topic. Other than your poor wording there's nothing inherently wrong with your post.
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The ONLY reason why the United States will lose in Iraq is because of people demanding that we essentially give up.
If we stay and fight, we will win, hands down, every time. It's not a matter of ability, it's a matter of will and quite simply, the civillian population of the United States and half of its population doesn't have the will to do what it takes to win in Iraq. I was speaking idiomatically. |
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How do you define victory, in this case? Does it involve glowing green parking lots? edit: I like how I just said what Mikey did. Way to not read the rest of the replies. There's nowhere I can't reach. |