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Acro-nym · Jul 31, 2006, 02:24 PM

Well, I liked the story in issue #2 where they compared Iron Man's actions to the start of the major Roman Civil War between Caesar and Pompey. I made the comparison between this war and that one in another thread once.

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deadpool · Jul 31, 2006, 09:25 PM

I would love if Jenkins would stop with the poetry at the end of each issue of Frontline and use those extra pages for some more story. I`d rather see more Ben Urich then some poetry about Japensese internment camps

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Mucknuggle · Jul 31, 2006, 10:08 PM

It is story. I think that the comparison to other wars is a great idea. It certainly makes the whole Civil War concept seema lot more significant as a piece of fiction.

I was speaking idiomatically.

deadpool · Aug 1, 2006, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

It is story. I think that the comparison to other wars is a great idea. It certainly makes the whole Civil War concept seema lot more significant as a piece of fiction.

Its filler. It doesn`t expand any of the different story lines, and it doesn`t deepen my understanding of any of the characters. Its basically a step above an advertisment.

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Acro-nym · Aug 2, 2006, 01:19 PM

The whole point of the poetic parts of Frontline are to expand on a major event within the issue by comparing it to something within history. In this way, Jenkins effectively makes parts of Civil War (or at least Frontline) have a dash of realism.

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Vemp · Local time: Aug 4, 2006, 08:49 AM

Which I find cool. Like how he compared the attack on the anti-reg heroes with the soldiers at 'nam. It showed that not only the "heroes" are involved/affected by this event.

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Hantei · Local time: Aug 10, 2006, 04:11 PM

Hey guys, I've got all the CW issues and tie-ins update now, but have yet to read any of them. Is there a specific order I should be reading them in? Eg. CW1 then Amazing SM 532. Or does it matter at all?

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Mucknuggle · Aug 10, 2006, 05:18 PM

Yes, it definitely matters. There should be a reading list somewhere on the net. Google for one.

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Hantei · Local time: Aug 11, 2006, 12:27 AM

Been surfing around and the best I found was this fan made one.

Quote:

Marvel Spotlight: Millar/McNiven
Civil War Opening Shot Sketchbook
New Avengers: Illuminati
Fantastic Four #536-537
Amazing Spider-Man #529-531
Civil War #1
Wolverine #42
She-Hulk #8
Civil War Front Line #1
New Avengers #21
New Avengers #22
Amazing Spider-Man #532
Civil War #2
Thunderbolts #103
Amazing Spider-Man #533
Civil War:Young Avengers Runaways
X-Factor #8-9
Civil War Front Line #2
Fantastic Four #538
Daily Bugle- Civil War Special
Wolverine #43
Wolverine #44
Civil War Front Line #3
Thunderbolts #104
Cable & Deadpool #30
Civil War #3
Civil War- X-Men #1
Amazing Spiderman #534

Another one here, but it seems incomplete: http://www.avengersdisassembled.com/...rtimeline.html

Is there an official one floating around? Or do most of you guys go by the checklist (which appears to be by months, and in alphabetical order)? I'll definitely be reading the "Road to Civil War" issues first, but probably won't start the main story till I get a more solid list of what the order is like.

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Mucknuggle · Aug 11, 2006, 04:24 AM

I read everything as it's released, so I don't check anything for my reading order. I think that Marvel released a Civil War checklist, so that's probably in order.

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Acro-nym · Aug 11, 2006, 06:50 PM

Maybe Civil War and the tie-ins need a Mike Carlin-like system of plot flow...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Vemp · Local time: Aug 12, 2006, 09:21 AM

I just use this, it's not updated though.

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Mucknuggle · Aug 11, 2006, 09:47 PM

That doesn't seem to be the reading order. It's just an alphabetical checklist. The best thing to do is to check up on the release dates for the books and read them as they came out.

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Hantei · Local time: Aug 12, 2006, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

The best thing to do is to check up on the release dates for the books and read them as they came out.

Yea, I think I'll do that. Just look up the shipping lists on Diamond and make a list from there.

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Acro-nym · Aug 14, 2006, 11:08 AM

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=132152

If you guys need help, this is a thread specializing in figuring out the timeline.

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Zergrinch · Local time: Aug 15, 2006, 11:51 PM

Crikey, you mean the the checklist ain't chronologically accurate?

Could one of you folks post and update the reading order of Civil War that makes the most sense? Currently, the Jetsam civil war reading order is based on that alphabetical checklist :P

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Acro-nym · Aug 15, 2006, 01:33 PM

As best as I've been able to determine, this is the reading order:

New Avengers: Illuminati
Fantastic Four #536-537
Amazing Spider-Man #529-531
Civil War #1
Wolverine #42
She-Hulk #8
Civil War: Front Line #1
New Avengers #21-22
Amazing Spider-Man #532
Civil War #2
Thunderbolts #103 (part of it during CW #2)
Amazing Spider-Man #533 (also during CW #2, but after Thunderbolts)
X-Factor #8-9
Civil War: Front Line #2
Fantastic Four #538
Daily Bugle- Civil War Special
Wolverine #43-44
Civil War: Front Line #3
Thunderbolts #104
Cable & Deadpool #30
Black Panther #18
Civil War #3
Civil War- X-Men #1
Civil War: Front Line #4
Fantastic Four #539
Amazing Spider-Man #534
Civil War: Front Line #5
Ms. Marvel #6

Special Note: In regards to X-Men titles, it should be read X-Factor #8 and most of #9, then CW #3 slides in, issue 9 finishes (where Cyke is still around), and CW: X-Men begins

Keep in mind that, in some circumstances, the depicted orders of some events don't agree (which shouldn't happen, but does anyway).

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xman25 · Local time: Aug 15, 2006, 10:23 PM

I found this today on comicbookresources.com:

"CIVIL WAR" TO SEE DELAYS

by Jonah Weiland, Executive Producer
Posted: August 15, 2006

Marvel Comics told comic retailers Tuesday afternoon that their highly succesful "Civil War" series will see some significant delays. Issue #4, originally schedued to ship tomorrow, has been moved back to September 20th, with issue #5 moving from an October release date to November 15th. Marvel issued the following corrections to their shipping list.

Over the next few weeks, the CIVIL WAR proper title and a few of the tie in books that are closely related to the story in the main book will be shipping later than originally planned. In an attempt to accommodate the creative team of Millar and McNiven and maintain the artistic integrity and high standards of the event, we will be shifting the following titles:

CIVIL WAR 4 (JUN061952; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER VARIANT (JUN061953; $2.99) moves to 9/20
CIVIL WAR 4 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (APR068201; $2.00) moves to 9/20

FANTASTIC FOUR 540 (JUN061961; $2.99) moves to 9/20

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 6 (JUN061955; $2.99) moves to 9/27

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 535 (JUN061938; $2.99) moves to 9/27

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 7 (JUL061956; $2.99) moves to 10/11

CIVIL WAR 5 (JUL061952; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER VARIANT (JUL061953; $2.99) moves to 11/15
CIVIL WAR 5 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (JUL061954; $2.00) moves to 11/15

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 8 (JUL061957; $2.99) moves to 11/22

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1 (JUL061988; $2.99) moves to 11/22
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 1(Black & White)(JUL061989; $2.99) moves to 11/22

FANTASTIC FOUR 541 (JUL061965; $2.99) moves to 11/22

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 536 (JUL061941; $2.99) moves to 11/22

CIVIL WAR 6 (AUG062033; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER VARIANT (AUG062034; $2.99) moves to 12/20
CIVIL WAR 6 TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (AUG062035; $2.00) moves to 12/20

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 9 (AUG062036; $2.99) moves to 12/20

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 2 (AUG062066; $2.99) moves to 12/28

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 10 (AUG062037; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 537 (AUG062018; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07

FANTASTIC FOUR 542 (AUG062045; $2.99) moves to 1/4/07

NOT YET SOLICITED
CIVIL WAR 7 moves to 1/17/07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 538 moves to 1/24/07
FANTASTIC FOUR 543 moves to 1/24/07

NEW ADDITIONS TO THE CIVIL WAR CHECKLIST!
BLACK PANTHER 23 CW December 2006
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES December 2006 ONE SHOT
BLACK PANTHER 24 CW January 2007
BLACK PANTHER 25 CW February 2007
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 11 February 2007

Additionally, beginning in November, some Marvel titles will be branded as "Casulaties of War," similar to the "Road to Civil War" branding titles leading up to the mini-series received. Those titles are:

MOON KNIGHT 7
CAPTAIN AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER SPECIAL (December)
IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA SPECIAL (December)
MOON KNIGHT 8 (December)
BLADE 5 (January)
MOON KNIGHT 9 (January)
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Man, all these delays suck. But, I guess I can't be too surprised, delays happen all the time in comics.

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Mucknuggle · 10:33 PM

OMG. I can't believe that they FUCKED THIS UP. Now I have to wait ANOTHER month to find out who dies in issue 4. I'm friggin pissed. And on top of that, they haven't dalayed all CW related books?! WTF. Now I'm going to be reading stuff way out of chronological order and get totally confused/spoiled for the delayed books.

I was speaking idiomatically.

xman25 · Local time: Aug 15, 2006, 11:09 PM

Yeah, looks like they havn't delayed the two Iron Man tie-ins, Ms. Marvel #7 & #8 (2nd & 3rd tie-ins), the Civil War: X-MEN mini-series, the Young Avengers & Runaways Civil War mini-series, Heroes for Hire mini, New Avengers #23-25 (3rd, 4th, & 5th) tie-ins, Cable/Deadpool #31 & #32 (2nd & 3rd) tie-ins, Wolverine #45-47 (4th, 5th & 6th) tie-ins, Thunderbolts #105 (its last tie-in), and Captain America #22-24 (all three tie-ins). I figure if they are going to delay Civil War titles, why not delay them all. Everything or nothing. There's some logic behind all of this I guess.... Oh, accommodating the creative team. Shouldn't they accommodate us, we're the ones having to pay for all this, both financially and time. Well, anyway, I hope this helps them tell the stories.

xman25

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Hantei · Local time: Aug 15, 2006, 11:55 PM

Man that sucks. Glad I haven't really started reading into the series yet. Might as well wait until at least CW#4 releases. Rather confusing that they only delayed the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man tie-in issues and not the others too. Wasn't it their original plan to the finish the series before the end of the year? I wonder if we'll get any sort of compensation for the extended wait (though I doubt it, unless the new additions count as that).

Anyway, these new additions sound interesting, more Blank Panther, another CW: Frontline, and that one shot CW: War Crimes sounds pretty cool too. The "Casualties of War" titles sound like more must haves as well.

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acid · Local time: Aug 17, 2006, 12:44 PM

Big (SHOCKING!) surprise. Millar can't get his shit together on schedule.

I had hoped and hoped that this wouldn't turn into another Ultimates. Delays, and waiting forever for the next issue. Sadly it seems that's just what may happen. Speaking of the Ultimates 2, where the hell are my #12 and #13 issues Mark.

If he wasn't such a damn good writer I'd have dropped the books on principal by this point.

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Acro-nym · Aug 17, 2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by acid

If he wasn't such a damn good writer I'd have dropped the books on principal by this point.

But his writing is the reason I stopped getting MK Spidey and would've avoided President Thor, had it been my place to decide. Granted, Ultimates is awesome and Ult. FF is currently okay (I don't know about this week's yet) but that's about it. To each his own, I suppose.

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acid · 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

But his writing is the reason I stopped getting MK Spidey and would've avoided President Thor, had it been my place to decide. Granted, Ultimates is awesome and Ult. FF is currently okay (I don't know about this week's yet) but that's about it. To each his own, I suppose.

Yeah, I was speaking of his writing pretty much exclusively to Ultimates and CW. Everything else is alright. But personally I think Ultimates 2 is probably the best written superhero book (not) on the shelves right now.

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Mucknuggle · Aug 17, 2006, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

But his writing is the reason I stopped getting MK Spidey and would've avoided President Thor, had it been my place to decide. Granted, Ultimates is awesome and Ult. FF is currently okay (I don't know about this week's yet) but that's about it. To each his own, I suppose.

Blasphemer. Ultimate Fantastic Four has been FANTASTIC ever since Mark started writing it. Marvel should have kept him on the book.

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