HAY GUYS

NovaX · Local time: May 12, 2006, 08:49 PM

But complaining about a more efficient way of playing, because it isn't as efficient as you want it to be is stupid. Be happy you have any online.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Vulpes_Callidus · 06:35 AM

Ken is the undisputed champion of Melee professional play, save for the recent fall to PCchris in the recent MLG tournament. There's a lot of rivalry and competition revolving around Smash, just look at the Smashboards. I'm not personally involved in the whole professional Smash universe, but you know, just the idea of getting your name out there because your good at something (and gaming, no less!), isn't that intriguing?

Edit: NovaX, you act like I'm asking for something unreasonable. Do you seriously think that asking for this is unreasonable?

I'm going to get it. I'm going to play it. And if it's enjoyable, I'm going to enjoy it. I'm not going to let the lack of online capability get in the way of that. But when you see potential, don't you reach out and grab it? Or do you let it slide? I think Nintendo has a lot of potential here, and it would be pity to see it get wasted.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Local time: May 12, 2006, 01:33 PM

So is it confirmed Smash Bros Brawl will be played exclusively with friends codes? Confirmed there will be no lobby systems or anything like that?

Even if there aren't, the internet will work around it. Animal Crossing GC wasn't online, but message boards dedicated to exhanging item made it work better than most online games.

People won't play tournaments online anyway and whatever professional gangs and communities there will be, they will have a website/message board to get to know people, set up games and share codes. In order to get to know them, you get to know them through the boards.

I would refuse to play against most people online I don't know anyway, whether it's at a public lounge or being contacted through a friend code, but maybe that's just me. It's like a Yahoo chatboard and AIM. I'm usually not too friendly with people who contact me on AIM out of the blue with something other than a question they need help with on the boards.

FELIPE NO

***FatsDomino*** · May 12, 2006, 05:38 AM

Nope. We know nothing on how Wii's online system will work aside that friend codes will be involved. As I've stated Nintendo Wifi Connection and software that connects to it is constantly evolving as new software is released. We do not yet know how the friend code system will fall into the overall equation. The DS games have tested the waters and I'm sure Nintendo knows what we like and dislike about about how that works. I'm hopeful that the complaints will be addressed.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Vulpes_Callidus · Local time: May 12, 2006, 03:40 AM

It's just you.

Haha, no, I kid.

More seriously, though, there have been countless numbers of polls all across the internet concerning the dissatisfaction regarding the DS wifi setup, and almost all of them come to one consensus: The Online is good so far, but it can be better. When asked if they still wanted friend codes, most people said no. Granted, people who are on the internet aren't exactly the people that Nintendo is targeting, since that would represent the more "hardcore" gamers and not grandma and grandpa, but in response I'm going to quote Bozon again:

Originally Posted by Mark Bozon

"-Community. No more friend codes. No more restrictions. We need true community. We can see Nintendo wants to make it a comfortable experience for new gamers, but they have to remember there are those that NEED strong community as much as others need a less intimidating atmosphere."

And in reality, you know what? I can be ok with Friend codes. Just make the Friend Code system more FRIENDLY!!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

***FatsDomino*** · May 12, 2006, 05:45 AM

Another thing. Sakurai wants this game to be fun, full of options, and perfect. He isn't going to let SSBB have a sloppy online mode. If he feels the friend code system is sloppy then you can bet Nintendo will accomidate him. Nintendo has so much riding on this game. They can't afford not to.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

ramoth · 06:00 AM

I have full confidence that the Wii's online support will be at least marginally better than the DS's. I'm not sure how.

I like the idea of friend codes, personally. I have no interest whatsoever in playing against people I don't know online. I only want to play with my friends.

If you really want a "lobby", you can easily create message boards and have people join them. I'm sure smashboards will pick up the slack if there isn't a lobby feature.

Speaking as a software designer, we have something called the "80% rule". It basically states that you should design to 80% of the people you're trying to target. I think pro-level smash players clearly fall into the other 20%. Now I'm not saying you should ignore the other 20%, but you need to ask yourself, "Will 80% of my users really be taking advantage of this feature?" It's a hard question to answer, but it really helps to keep things in perspective.

We really at this point, need to just wait and see what the Wii's online support is like. I have high hopes; their Connect24 thing sounds awesome. I always thought having to "connect to XBOX Live" was a bit 1980s-esque, especially in the era of always-on broadband. What is this, some kind of BBS?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Vulpes_Callidus · Local time: May 12, 2006, 04:10 AM

Well, one thing is that the ease of an online interface isn't just applicable to Pro players, it applies to everyone, and in particular, the exact type of people that Nintendo is trying to target. When someone who knows very little about computers wants to play against some friends, do you think they'll get on their favorite forum and post their friend code there? Probably not. Likely, they want to be able to, say, have something recognizable (like a gamertag) that they can send a friend request to and then set up a game in the lobby. It has to be that simple, or else casual players won't want to play their favorite game online, because I know I watch my parents struggle when they want to do anything online, because the internet can get real complex to someone who isn't very well acquainted with it. And that has to deal with Community, like I mentioned earlier.

But your right, Grun-1, what you said added a lot of perspective as far as development issues. I'm giving a shout out to you firstly, because you deserve it, and secondly, because nobody on these boards ever seems to acknowledge what other people have said, unless they have direct conflict with something they said, making conversations almost always argumentative by nature. And I'm not just referencing this conversation.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

kuttlas · Local time: May 12, 2006, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

There's a good idea, how about someone translates some popular character names in katakana, so we could submit it?

Bomberman ボンバーマン
Daisy デイジ
Megaman ロックマン
Meowth ニャース
Phoenix Wright 成歩堂龍一
Raichu ライチュウ
Shigeru Miyamoto 宮本茂
Toad キノピオ
Toadette キノピコ
Viewtiful Joe ビューティフルジョー
Waluigi ワルイージ

Sorry fanboys, there's not a snowball's chance in hell of Cloud making the lineup (although I would love to beat the shit out of him)

I was speaking idiomatically.

Monkey King · Local time: May 12, 2006, 08:09 AM

Hey, what about Little Mac? He's a cornerstone of NES history, I think he deserves a little recognition. He punched out Mike Tyson dammit, that has to count for something.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The_Griffin · Local time: May 12, 2006, 07:26 AM

I'm... a little less excited about this now.

One of the main reasons that SSBM never got much playtime on my cube was because I could never get somebody good to play with. That limited me to basically level 9 opponents, and those got boring quick. =\

With online, I want to be able to go into a match, join up, and be able to just get my ass kicked. The problem is that with friends codes, I won't be able to do it, because guess what? I HAVE NO FRIENDS WHO PLAY NINTENDO GAMES. Sure, I can trade codes online, but that's such a tedious process that it's almost not worth it. =\

FELIPE NO

***FatsDomino*** · May 12, 2006, 09:43 AM

Well, you'll still be able to play with random people. So even if you don't know them just like Mario Kart DS you'll at least always have someone to play. That's speculation by the way but if Mario Kart DS and Metroid Prime Hunters did it I wouldn't be surprised if SSBB did too. I just hope it's much more extensive.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

TheReverend · Local time: May 12, 2006, 10:40 AM

Whatever system they have in place for MKart and Hunters on DS, is more than most likely the same system they will have setup for Wii. I'm sure that they will have the whole thing slightly tweaked from the DS, but it should be very similar.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

***FatsDomino*** · May 12, 2006, 11:47 AM

Well it won't be out until sometime in 2007, hopefully early 2007, so I hope the online system will have evolved to an acceptable level by then.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

PsychoJosh · Local time: May 12, 2006, 02:17 PM

Why Waluigi? He wasn't even made by the same guy who made Wario. He's just a useless filler character and I'd hate to see him in this game, especially in lieu of a character that would be so much better. He hasn't even been in ANY of Wario's games... he's a joke.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Nukkus · Local time: May 12, 2006, 07:16 PM

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Seriuosly though, i'm Mega-primed for this one. and props to Uematsu for the main theme :biggrin:

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Summonmaster · May 12, 2006, 05:28 PM

Quote:

I read through the ENTIRE thread just to make sure I wouldn't be repeating anything people have said.

Sorry didn't bother to do that with 11 pages

It's a less touched upon speculation though:

If SSB had Master Hand
and SSBM had Master Hand X2 in mission mode
would it be fun and possible to have Master Hand X3 somehow?
Fighting a Master Hand team would be totally murderous! Unless they decided that Master Hand was old, and decided to put something crazier in like Master Foot, or Master Head. Why not? Snake was totally left field to me, and so different appendages could be feasible since there's no permission needed there! (Unless for Master Head they would use Andross' face thingie from Starfox :S)

How ya doing, buddy?

Wall Feces · May 12, 2006, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Summonmaster

Sorry didn't bother to do that with 11 pages

It's a less touched upon speculation though:

If SSB had Master Hand
and SSBM had Master Hand X2 in mission mode
would it be fun and possible to have Master Hand X3 somehow?
Fighting a Master Hand team would be totally murderous! Unless they decided that Master Hand was old, and decided to put something crazier in like Master Foot, or Master Head. Why not? Snake was totally left field to me, and so different appendages could be feasible since there's no permission needed there! (Unless for Master Head they would use Andross' face thingie from Starfox :S)

That reminds me of an idea I've always had for this game - Boss characters. Imagine fighting a giant Kraid? Or Andross? Or Ganon? METAL GEAR??

Possibilities are endless.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Local time: May 13, 2006, 02:05 AM

A boss fight against a Metal Gear (I'd personally love Rex) would be hilarious, but that's probably a tad too much to ask.

Maybe King Dodongo or one of the other bigger Ocarina of Time bosses.

FELIPE NO

Xardion · Local time: May 12, 2006, 05:06 PM

They'll probably stick with the hands if they want to keep what little continuity there is in the game.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

scotty · Local time: May 12, 2006, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by CROW-3

They'll probably stick with the hands if they want to keep what little continuity there is in the game.

well theres a story mode now. Master hand wont cut it for story mode, besides they already replaced Master Hand with Giga Bowser in adventure mode

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Xardion · Local time: May 12, 2006, 05:21 PM

But Master Hand was still in it, with the addition of Crazy Hand. Who knows what they'll call the next one, if there is a next one.

Gigabowser was more of a "Hey you're good gtfo" kind of thing to be honest.

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scotty · Local time: May 12, 2006, 03:34 PM

true, but considering its story mode, then all the stages will have something to do with the characters game, they probally wont make it some generic boss for everyone. They will still have Master Hand in classic mode

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Prinnydood · May 12, 2006, 07:07 PM

I'm damn excited for that online portion..Still play Melee to this day and its one of my favorite games of this generation..This just upped my chances of gettin a Wii quite a bit

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Vulpes_Callidus · Local time: May 12, 2006, 05:16 PM

I personally would like to do away with master hand altogether. As Sakurai said, it should be fun, and he wants to add in fun, weird things in it, but in reality, I think the presence of Master hand just hinders the presentation of Smash Brothers.

But I don't know, maybe people like master hand. I personally would like the series to have at least a more serious presentation. I mean, the more crazy weird things you put in it, the more you alienate less core people. It's like having one big inside joke. I mean, I would love to see the Smash franchise become a more recognized name among the more casual players.

Hopefully they can find a balance to satisfy both new and returning players. In the end, what's most important is that it's fun, after all.

I was speaking idiomatically.