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Trials For Parents Who Chose Faith Over Medicine
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TL/DurrR: Christian Scientists could be convicted of murder for letting their diabetic child die without seeking treatment. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Well, uh, yeah? I mean, if you never fed your kid you'd go the fuck to jail, and your religious rights as a Breatharian wouldn't be relevant in the least. "Try to keep your kid from dying" is pretty much #1 on the list of basic parental responsibilities.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
It totally just seems like one of those times to say, "Where is your God now?" (Yes, that's horrible to say, but completely relevant here).
But they totally deserve to be sent to jail. Sure, believe in what you want, but when you're endangering your child, religion means nothing. The parents failed to carry out their parental duties. It's as simple as that. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I had to think about this one before saying anything.
This is going to be an AWFUL analogy, but bear with me: When you bring a pet into your home, you become responsible for it. You must provide food, shelter, and health remedies to it since you become the person responsible for that animal's life. If you do NOT do this, you are subject to the laws of the land which state that you can pretty much serve time if you don't take care of your animal's well-being. Now. We can implement these kinds of rules for our pets, but not for our children? And just because there's some kind of "religion" involved means that some people are excluded from taking care of their responsibilities to their children as parents? Any religion which allows your child to die when there are remedies available is pretty much bullshit. You'd think people could figure that out on their own. OOPS, MY KID DIED FROM SOMETHING THAT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN AVOIDED! Morons. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
It's been a year or two since the last time, I was almost afraid you'd forgotten what it's like.
FELIPE NO |
Anyone who knows my religious beliefs would probably guess that I would say these two should be sent to the guillotine on general principle. Even the vast majority of deeply religious people that I personally know will say, "Yes. God is all-powerful but he alone can not champion your well-being. You have to do your part to heal yourself as well."
I mean, this always seemed like a moot point to me because if god is all-powerful and has the power to heal them unquestionably, why wouldn't he do it? Is it because curing a cold isn't in his DIVINE PLAN? If even the most devout christians I've met admit that god won't always come to their aid for every little thing that ails them, why would anyone think otherwise and just outright neglect life-threatening illnesses? Like Chaotic (tamely) said: Where is your god now? What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
It was just her time, you know? God let her die.
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So he was nowhere to be found in a time of dire need then? Good to know.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
Paco takin' God to the mat ITT
epic battle This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Would anybody else be surprised to see this one go to the supreme court?
'Cause I honestly wouldn't. ALL DA WAY TO DA TAWP, BABY I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
In the context of this issue, I would suggest that it may be God's will that we have the available healthcare that we have today. Therefore, using that which God has provided, to save the child's life, would fit into their requirement that God heal the child. These people are pretty amateur when it comes to applying context based logic.
How ya doing, buddy? I didn't say I wouldn't go fishin' with the man.
All I'm sayin' is, if he comes near me, I'll put him in the wall. |
This is not normal Christianity though, which would whole-heartedly agree with you. This is the Christian "Science" cult, which believes that the whole of the physical world is an illusion and any bad experience therein can be overcome by prayer and devotion.
Though those who speak for said cult declare that their theology does not preclude the use of medical science, the logical end of those subscribing to a "there is no spoon" philosophy is exactly what we see here. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
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What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
When the person is an ADULT (18 or so), I guess s/he has acquired the necessary maturity to take such a decision (given s/he wasn't indotrinated to some superstition).
Otherwise, life should always prevail, unless life after the operation would be worse (heavy handicaps, eg.). If we push it a little, noy healing someone we could save violates one of god's (if he even exists) command : thou shalt not kill Jam it back in, in the dark. |
'Thou shalt not kill' is very different from 'Thou shalt save'. I know in Protestantism this differs, but we're not talking about Protestantism. For that matter, we're not talking about Judaism or Hinduism or Islam or even Catholicism. The only relevant information is that of Christian Science doctrine.
The fact that you don't like a certain religion means nothing, so far as the protections the Constitution guarantees all religions are concerned. Now, I know this is much different than just discriminating against a religious group, since the issue of children dying is in play, but you really have to consider how touchy a subject this is. If the government were to limit or take away the rights of Christian Science parents to raise their children as they wish, according to their doctrine, the implications and possibilities would be vast. It opens the door for the conversation of so much more, as delicate an issue as it is. I think people tend to forget that with the placement of a law, so goes the precedent, and the eventual snowball effect that could result. Yes, this kinda sounds a whole lot like the argument of those against gay marriage, but I truly don't think the rights of religions and their adherents should be imposed upon, especially if those rooted in culture go untouched while others are subject to scrutiny. Basically, it comes down to the wording of the verdict. So much depends on how one judge chooses to place his words. If he does it right (restricting possible prosecution to those parents who neglect their children in life-threatening situations, regardless of religion) I see no problem. I'm just worried he'll be more inclusive, his ruling more wide-reaching and with greater implications. And that wouldn't be good. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
There are already examples in place in US law that make religious practice less than 100% protected. Just ask the Rastafarians.
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
Last edited by The unmovable stubborn; Jan 23, 2009 at 01:51 PM.
Reason: it's just an example, this isn't a lol lol 420 amirite post
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I was speaking idiomatically.
Last edited by Worm; Jan 23, 2009 at 02:02 PM.
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You have no right to decide how or when a person should die. Most amazing jew boots |
This is about whether legal guardians can practice neglect as a religious observance. FELIPE NO |
How ya doing, buddy? |
It's like you don't even know who I am anymore.
Additional Spam: Why do you use biologically neutral language anyways? Jam it back in, in the dark.
Last edited by Bradylama; Jan 23, 2009 at 02:20 PM.
Reason: This member got a little too post happy.
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