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Temperature of the body is one factor since our bodies give off heat and when there isn't anything to generate heat, the temperature goes down. Also, like what was said, bugs start to grow on and inside the body, like flies in larva, pupa and adult stages I was speaking idiomatically. |
Incase anyone wants to watch the press conference it can be streamed online.
http://media.myfoxatlanta.com/live/index2.html What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
CNN is also broadcasting it. I'm stunned how much press this is getting. It's like Phil Hartman all over again.
FELIPE NO If there is evil in this world, it lies within the hearts of mankind.
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Well, I sadly called everything but Benoit's cause of death.
I wish I could have been wrong too, but god damn to take innocent lives like that. I'm hoping the coverage this gets starts a chain reaction to everyone else in the industry that they need to stay the fuck away from med addictions. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
I'd still like to think that it was carbon monoxide that killed his wife and son, and that he offed himself out of depression. I really really can't bring myself to think of Benoit doing otherwise.
Jam it back in, in the dark. If there is evil in this world, it lies within the hearts of mankind.
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I really hope that's the case, Malahk. I mean, if you strangle someone wouldn't you find marks on their neck? Still, I want to hear what the autopsy says. This just doesn't make any damn sense.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
Looks like I may have messed up the order a bit too, but alas..
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I think CNN has the order backwards, because it's believed he killed her, then his son, then himself. I'm 95% sure that is also what was said during the press conference.
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Damn, wonder if they'll say anything on ECW tonight.
I was speaking idiomatically. |
Apparently the idea for ECW tonight and for SmackDown! on Friday is to just do straight matches. No storylines, no nothing. I'd imagine they'd update us on what's going on, but don't expect more than straight up wrestling tonight.
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? If there is evil in this world, it lies within the hearts of mankind.
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That might be best, because there's no way in hell they can continue most of their plans considering the shit centered around the false death angles.
Just imagine how Johnny Nitro must feel right now. He's ECW Champion, but man... that belt has a cloud over it now. FELIPE NO |
Full report of the press conference:
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Fucking horrible. At this rate I'll log on tomorrow to hear he also allegedly killed the entire family next door. Roid-rage sounds to me like the ONLY understandable reason for him to've flipped out this way if he actually did it. Shit man, he really was a rabid wolverine.
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There's nowhere I can't reach. |
I got two more things on the Benoit case.
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Wait...one thing though. I thought Benoit left Saturday morning/afternoon, missing the Saturday/Sunday shows...
Not looking good. More so, it now looks like the WWE wants nothing to do with this. They are still having the story up on this all, but they (and TNA) have removed all references of Benoit from their website. This is perhaps the darkest day of wrestling, even darker than Owen. Owen was tragic, but at least he didn't do this and even showing his caringness to the end (told the ref to move so he didn't fall on him). In retrospect, this is a guy who was both a former WCW and WWE champion, multiple time tag, TV, US and IC champion, and would havebeen the ECW world heavyweight champion, let alone a future hall of famer. He was someone who had respect and admiration all over the world for being respectful, caring, and trustworthy. He was apart of the emotional wins in the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania of 2004, whose picture with Eddie is one of the most emotional and huge pictures in Wrestlemania and Pro wrestling history (which now, never again can be used). He has all sorts of other accolades...the first man to win the Mania main event by submission, the first man to make Trips tap, the man to 'avenge' Bret by having Michaels tap, a man who was in several tribute matches for Pillman (main evented against Regal), Owen (went against Bret), and Eddie (faced Triple H after an emotional, to the part that he was crying, interview), and he would have been the second to man to have held 'all three' 'world' titles. NOw, it would be pretty hard to watch the 2004 Royal Rumble or Mania 2004 because no matter how cool those matches were, it will be hard to swallow knowing what we know. While the idea is slowly becoming more acceptable, it's still hard to believe that someone who had accomplished all that...and would have accomplished so much more, threw it all away... I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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McMahon to Apologize for Benoit Tribute:
I was speaking idiomatically. |
Deliberate thought huh? Sounds like Benoit was fighting the urge to take them out but lost. The bibles near them could possibly express a request for forgiveness from God. However he took his own life, and there is no forgiveness in that. Strange, on the outside he looked like a well collected individual, but I guess that was his wrestling persona. Even throughout his WCW days(I'm talking EARLY 90's) he didn't need sabbiticals or time off, etc.
I'm all confused and just trying to make sense of it all. But I do know this, his career was an outlet. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
That was what I was thinking Storm.
I do, for once, feel bad for McMahon. I agree with maybe two things he has done in recent years, but this time he wasn't in the wrong, and acted only on instinct, love, and what was natural in the wrestling business. Here is another story on Yahoo: FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday. ADVERTISEMENT Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscle man nicknamed "The Canadian Crippler" was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage." Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit's state of mind. No suicide note was found. "In a community like this it's bizarre to have a murder-suicide, especially involving the death of a 7-year-old," District Attorney Scott Ballard said. "I don't think we'll every be able to wrap our minds around this." The Montreal-born Benoit was one of the stars of the WWE wrestling circuit and was known for his wholesome family-man image. His wife, Nancy, was a wrestling stage manager who worked under the name "Woman." They married in 2000. When he won the world heavyweight championship in 2004, Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) hoisted the belt over his head and invited his wife and child into the ring to celebrate. Asked by the Calgary Sun that same year to name his worst vice: Benoit replied: "Quality time with my family is a big vice. It's something I'll fight for and crave." Nevertheless, Nancy Benoit filed for a divorce in 2003, saying the couple's three-year marriage was irrevocably broken and alleging "cruel treatment." She later dropped the complaint, as well as a request for a restraining order in which she charged that the 5-foot-10, 220-pound Benoit had threatened her and had broken furniture in their home. In the divorce filing, she said Benoit made more than $500,000 a year as a professional wrestler and asked for permanent custody of Daniel and child support. In his response, Benoit sought joint custody. The bodies were found Monday afternoon in the house, situated off a gravel road in this suburb about 20 miles south of Atlanta. Benoit's 43-year-old wife was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle, Ballard said. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, the district attorney said. Benoit, 40, apparently hanged himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, his body found hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment. A closed Bible was placed next to the bodies of the wife and son, authorities said. The prosecutor said he found it "bizarre" that the WWE wrestling star spread out the killings over a weekend and appeared to remain in the house for up to a day with the bodies. Toxicology test results may not be available for weeks or even months, Ballard said. As for whether steroids played a role in the crime, he said: "We don't know yet. That's one of the things we'll be looking at." Steroids have been linked to the deaths of several professional wrestlers in recent years. Eddie Guerrero, one of Benoit's best friends, died in 2005 from heart failure linked to long-term steroid use. The father of Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig blamed steroids and painkillers for Hennig's drug overdose death in 2003. Davey Boy Smith, the "British Bulldog," died in 2002 from heart failure that a coroner said was probably caused by steroids. Benoit was a quiet, roughhewn figure amid the glitz and bluster of pro wrestling. He performed under his real name, eschewed scripted personas and didn't bother to fix a gap where he had lost one of his front teeth. (According to the WWE Web site, he lost the tooth while roughhousing with his pet Rottweiler.) His signature move was the "Crippler Crossface," in which he would lock his hands around an opponent's face and stretch his neck. He met his wife in the 1990s when she was married to rival wrestler Kevin Sullivan. As part of the scripted rivalry, Benoit and Nancy were supposed to act as if they were having an affair. A real romance blossomed, and she left Sullivan for Benoit. Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle. "We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm," said Alaina Jones, who lives across the street. Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at the Benoits' gate. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people," he said. World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who had received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning." "He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion. The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, after the bodies were discovered. Monday's show was supposed to be a memorial service for WWE owner Vince McMahon. In a storyline concocted by the WWE, McMahon was supposedly "assassinated" in a limousine explosion two weeks earlier. McMahon appeared at the beginning of Monday's telecast and acknowledged the bombing was made up. The McMahon storyline has been dropped. The really note-worthy point that I think may be new, is, in this horrid tragedy, if anything, at least it woke McMahon up in that he realized that his storyline was in bad taste and should go away. At least I think (As sad as it would be, I would almost see McMahon continuing it because he wants to try to pretend that the three hour tribute DIDN'T happen out of desperation). How ya doing, buddy? |
I feel sorry for Vince, having to apologize to a national audience on tv.. for something he knew nothing about.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Here are a few more supposedly stories.
-Shepherd Smith on Fox News, when introducing the press conference, referred to Chris Benoit as "this Chris Benoit character," ran down the ways each died, and said now steroids are suspected as having triggered his actions. -Lt. Pope said after a call for a "welfare check" prompted by WWE, they found all three bodies in the home mid-afternoon. He said autopsies have been performed and it is being considered a homicide-homicide-suicide. They said he murdered his wife by affixiation as far back as Friday, then his son Daniel the next day, then hanged himself likely on Sunday. He said toxicology reports can take up to several weeks to obtain. During questioning, he said there was no suicide note. He stuck with the term "asphyxiation" for the way both Nancy and Daniels died. He said Benoit was arrested for DUI in the past. He said there were no calls to his current residence for domestic abuse. A reporter asked if steroids or illegal substances were found. He said a lot of prescription medication he received from doctors with what they believed were legal prescriptions. When again pressed on whether steroids were found, he said he can't give them a list yet. He then said there were anabolic steroids when asked a third time. Regarding motive, he said they would not go into that at this time. Regarding the text message, he said he text messaged a friend and the friend saw it several hours after it was received by his phone. He would not go into the content of it. According to the doctor, several hours passed, no more than a day, between the son's death and Benoit's suicide by hanging. The wife's body was found in the office area, Daniel in his bedroom, and Benoit in the basement home gym. He estimated close to a full day between killing his wife and son. He said there was no evidence of Nancy resisting. The doctor from the crime lab estimates Nancy died some time on Friday. He turned questioing over to Fayetteville County D.A. Scott Ballard. -Ballard said he is struck by the fact that a seven year old boy is dead. "I don't think we'll ever be able to wrap our minds around it completely," he said. He said the timing was bizarre because of the time that elapsed between the deaths of the two victims and the suicide. "It struck me as somewhat bizarre that he would even be in the home with their deceased bodies for some time, but we don't know that; we haven't verified it." He said there was a Bible placed next to the bodies of each of the victims. He said Nancy was bound by her feet and wrists and there was some blood under her head in what he felt was a family room upstairs. She was wrapped in a towel. There were no such body treatments of the son, who was found in his upstairs bedroom. He said he had no idea about the motive. "I'm baffled why anyone would kill a seven year old baby. I have no idea about a motive." He said there was no evidence he was trying to hide the bodies. No 9-1-1 calls came from the house. He said he didn't know anything about Chris telling WWE he had a family emegency to deal with. He said at this point they are all pretty confidence it was a murder-suicide, they will "alert to any evidence to the contrary." He said they will reexamine everything when the toxicology reports comes back. He said it would probably more than two weeks, though. He reconfirmed steroids were found in the residence. He said he didn't know if there were firearms in the house. -Fox News anchor Smith then summarized the press conference and what it reconfirmed or revealed. He said he missed "one of those PPV things the WWE folks do." He added: "We have reason to believe he was a steroid user." He said steroids were present in the home. "With a doctor's prescription - you bet - but they were there." He discussed the situation with reporter Trace Gallagher regarding "roid rage." He wondered how long it can go on and how long it can last. "We're look at three separate incidents of roid rage over the course of three days," said the reporter. Dr. Steven Garner was interviewed. He said roid rage can cause such incidents. He said there are very few documented cases, but there are strange stories related to steroids. He said, "There people develop psychosis and that's a total break with reality. They don't know what they're doing. They halucinate. They don't know what they're doing. They hear voices in their heads telling them to kill people." He explained that once a user get off steroids, his testicles cannot return to producing testosterone at a normal level and depression can result - leading to suicide with teenagers. A former homicide investigator was interviewed next. He said he has been on scenes where he's seen people trip out due to steroids. "They get this unbearable strength and they seem to lose their mind," he said. "If they drink alcohol at the same time, it adds to it. It's taken about six or seven officers at scenes I've been at to hold a guy down who was flipping out from roid rage." Smith said: "Think about this guy. This guy's sitting in his house with a dead wife, then he's got a dead kid, then he's dropping Bibles all over the place. Then he's killing himself. You can't even process that." The doctor said steroids mixed with other prescription drugs make it much worse. They went on to note that "60 wrestlers" have died under the age of 45. "It's astounding. Astroniomically astounding. Nobody really focuses on it because wrestling is kind of a circus, an athletic soap opera. We don't really care about the players, apparently, because this is a continual cycle or drugs, road shows, alcohol, and they're travelling 250 days a year. The more wild your show is, the more money you make. That in the end turns out to haunt you. The doctor said typically wrestlers take more steroids than their should. Reporter Trace Gallagher and Shep Smith agreed that WWE is "under the fence." They brought up the HBO Real Sports interview where Vince McMahon got mad at the subject being brought up. "I know it's entertainment and it's not regulated the same way professional athletics are, but somebody is going to pay hell if this turns out the way we think it is." This came from The Torch, basically a respectful pro wrestling website: Bill Simmons of ESPN.com wrote in his blog that the Benoit Family Tragedy is the single biggest sports story of the year, even though, as he notes, pro wrestling isn't technically a full-fledged sport. Excerpts: Bill Simmons: (3:41 PM ET ) I am still gathering my thoughts, waiting for all the facts to come out. It just doesn't seem like any non-wrestling fan realizes how huge this story is to everyone who actually follows wrestling - in my opinion, it's the biggest sports story of the year even though wrestling technically isn't a sport. Benoit was one of the 12-15 greatest wrestlers of the past 30 years. For the wrestling world, it's like the OJ thing all over again - only its worse because his little son was involved. It might be the single worst sports story since the Rae Carruth thing. Bill Simmons: (3:43 PM ET ) The weird part was the WWE inexplicably running the 3-hour Benoit tribute on Raw last night - by the time it re-aired on the West Coast, reports were starting to come out that it was possibly a double murder-suicide... I don't know how they let that show continue to run. One of the weirdest TV moments ever. I was really creeped out. Here is some of the most chilling bit of news yet: In speaking with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit contacted this afternoon, apparently there were some warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit. Some of the information learned by 1Wrestling.com by colleagues and friends that did not want to be quoted: "This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them." “Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.” In addition, 1Wrestling has learned that sources close to Nancy are reporting that she had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages and that authorities should check the box if anything ever happened to her. A deposit box with all his past rages that they can check? And it gets worse with the timeline of things: PWTorch can now report the content of the text message sent by Chris Benoit to Chavo Guerrero on Sunday morning. The message, according to our sources, said that the sliding glass doors to his house were open and the dogs had been fed. No one was quite sure what to make of it, but he wasn't reachable afterward for clarification. As a friend said to me...he fed his DOGS? Also...not so good news for Vince: ESPN.com reports that D.A. Scott Ballard said Daniel Benoit, Chris and Nancy Benoit's seven year old son, had needle marks on his arm. They believe he had been given growth hormone because one or both of them believed he was undersized. ESPN.com also reports that Ballard said: -Benoit hanged himself from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment. Benoit used weights, the pulley, and a cable to choke himself to death. -The decomposition of the bodies was staggered enough for them to determine the staggered times of death. -Regarding the text message Benoit sent, he said: "And our assumption is that that was an effort to try to get somebody to come find the bodies after the suicide. That is our assumption." Very chilling, very sad. This is, again, probably the darkest day in pro wrestling. given what was just said, even pro wrestling will take a huge hit on all of this (deserved or not). Additional Spam: And here's a video interview with Bret on the entire thing. http://video.canada.com/Global_VideoContentHTML.aspx Additional Spam: And to add it it even more...this came from 4w-wrestling Even more shocking is that Benoit's son, Daniel, was apparently found with needle marks in his arm. According to Ballard, the boy was being given Human Growth Hormones because the family thought he was undersized Scary, truly scary. Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Reason: This member got a little too post happy.
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Okay, too much to read
But I can understand steroids being found. Edge used steroids too for his neck. --To Darth-- Fuck those who think it was done to early, sure it was the same day but do you really think any one in that locker room would have been able to actually go out and perform knowing that Benoit is dead? There's nowhere I can't reach.
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Okay, the media is fucking pissing me off (as usual). Now they're on Vince's ass for the 3 hour tribute last night and trying to chalk this up to steroid rage. Jesus christ, give the guy a break...They didn't have all the facts, they found out he was dead 4-5 hours before the show, obviously no one was in any mental shape to work because a friend and co-worker was dead and the facts were still being worked out (even if they found at, like 7:30 it was a murder-suicide, they couldn't have done anything about it). And this sounds more like a domestic thing than steroids, which can't be that damn important.
Okay, Benoit's wrong for what he did and probably deserves to be condemned...But the media is just being a bunch of sensationalist assholes over this whole tribute deal and most were probably indifferent (or opposed) to pro wrestling to begin with, so of course they're going to play up the domestic abuse and drug angles as best they can. Yeah, this is why listening to Axl Rose's tirade in "Get in the Ring" is so damn satisfying. I'm on Vince's side here, for once in his life... This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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I'm behind Vince on this one too. Fucking news outlets acting like Vince said "OH HAI GAIZ LOL BENOIT KILLED PEOPLE LETS IDOLIZE HIM LULZ". He did what he did out of love for a fallen wrestler. There's no way they could have known.
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? If there is evil in this world, it lies within the hearts of mankind.
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so, is ecw gonna happen.. after vince speaks? or is tonight cancelled too?
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