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[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread
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Old Mar 2, 2006, 03:29 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 02:29 PM 2 #1 of 3592
Question PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

Well, only four and a half more months until this bad boy is released. I don't doubt it will be at least slightly more powerful hardware-wise than the Xbox 360, but what about the games? So far, I don't see anything stunning that sells the system for me. Sure, MGS is comin' like what, but I've seen better. I'll probably just pick a couple up to resell for a couple thousand greens.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 03:31 PM #2 of 3592
wow you happen to make this thread the same time I did

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 03:35 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 11:35 PM #3 of 3592
Can we get some clarification on the pricing? I've heard some rumors that it will cost less than the original $500 and other rumors have estimated costs closer to $900.

Anybody with enough links could start some decent discussion by explaining where Sony's official stance on this is.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 03:39 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 02:39 PM #4 of 3592
Well, it's just rumors vs. rumors so "clarification" isn't exactly possible.

I doubt they're stupid enough (yes Sony's stupid, but not THAT stupid) to release it at $900. 500 would be a much more accurate esitmate, since they're trying to compete with Microsoft here. The already huge marketshare and userbase they have with PS2 will probably be enough to give them an easy victory regardless of how good the console actually is, but it's not enough to sell consoles at almost a grand.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 03:41 PM #5 of 3592
I read somewhere they'll probably take a hit on the price just to keep it in a comparable bracket with the other consoles.

The idea of $900 for a console seems way too steep though, imo. Most I could see them going is $500. But then again, I have no idea what all they're exactly putting in this thing.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:05 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 11:05 PM 1 #6 of 3592
Cool, so PS3 will be launched in Europe in 2012 or so, hehe

No seriously, I think even Sony doesn't know anything about when to launch and for how much money.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:21 PM #7 of 3592
You've got a point, seeing as how the 360 made the $400 price point work, Sony could easily grow a big pair and ask for $500 or drop a bomb with a $300 machine. Sony simply said "Coming Spring 2006" and the media went berserk with all sorts of speculation since that's where most of the PS3 hype is coming from, rather than Sony.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:22 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 05:22 PM #8 of 3592
Here is a Hands On PS3 article a few members might be interested in.:eyebrow:

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:25 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 11:25 AM #9 of 3592
Gotta love Sony with their vague "Spring 2006."

They could mean Spring 2006 on MARS for all we know.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:31 PM #10 of 3592
Originally Posted by T1249NTSCJ
Here is a Hands On PS3 article a few members might be interested in.:eyebrow:
You have no idea how much that article has gone through on GAF or even PSINext's forums. His description of his current dev-kit talks about it being a tower, while the final kits are in server blade form. Also, his mention of no Blu-Ray drive present conflicts with quite a few devs over on B3D who have the latest kit and are actively streaming things off the discs to see what can and cna't be done (DeanoC for one).

My bet? He works for a small third party dev.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:33 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 11:33 PM #11 of 3592
Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
You've got a point, seeing as how the 360 made the $400 price point work, Sony could easily grow a big pair and ask for $500 or drop a bomb with a $300 machine.
Well either way they're financially fucked as far as the PS3 hardware is concerned. Odds are the production costs for one PS3 are about 800~900 bucks, so a price below 500 bucks would seriously surprise me.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:40 PM Local time: Mar 3, 2006, 10:40 AM #12 of 3592
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the price was way out of alot of people's reach. When the PS2 was released here, it amounted to exactly $1000 NZD. That's roughly $668 USD(thank you, currency conversion) and still way overpriced. Mind you, the currency difference over the period of 2001 through to 2006 has changed, so it isn't entirely accurate. Still, it's alot for a console, a console which is a first version and there's bound to be issues come up.

Myself, I'm waiting until everything's cleared up and there's a revision or a MASSIVE price drop, whichever comes first. There's the simple problem of knowing that it's going to set your wallet on fire, and then there's the simply problem of not knowing what errors you might encounter.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 04:48 PM #13 of 3592
There might be some major PS3 news tonight.

http://gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=6083

We'll find out soon enough.

And then there's this crazy news.

http://ps3.qj.net/PS3-launch-this-month-/pg/49/aid/5360

Wonder if it could be a sign that the system will be coming within spring after all. I see no point bidding on the system unless there are some games to purchase within the release, but I still want one. Badly.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 09:10 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 07:10 PM #14 of 3592
Originally Posted by TubeRacer
Well, it's just rumors vs. rumors so "clarification" isn't exactly possible.

I doubt they're stupid enough (yes Sony's stupid, but not THAT stupid) to release it at $900. 500 would be a much more accurate esitmate, since they're trying to compete with Microsoft here. The already huge marketshare and userbase they have with PS2 will probably be enough to give them an easy victory regardless of how good the console actually is, but it's not enough to sell consoles at almost a grand.
$900 is enough to build a decent PC, no one in their right mind would pay that money for a game console (unless they're one of the geniuses who paid over $2000 for an XBox 360). That would be like spending $7 on a brand of enhanced milk, sure it's better, but over 2x better than regular milk?

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 09:17 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 07:17 PM #15 of 3592
I wouldn't worry about the PS3 costing an arm and a leg. Console makers never make any profit off thier consoles anyways, right? Why would they price it insanely high to cover costs. Price it lower, sell alot, make up the money from software. =/

I know I wont be getting a PS3 anytime soon though. I'm more worried about getting a HD capable TV first. I dont really want to hook a PS3 to my dinky 20 year old TV.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 09:19 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 10:19 PM #16 of 3592
Originally Posted by www.sega.co.jp
$900 is enough to build a decent PC, no one in their right mind would pay that money for a game console (unless they're one of the geniuses who paid over $2000 for an XBox 360). That would be like spending $7 on a brand of enhanced milk, sure it's better, but over 2x better than regular milk?
Soy milk isn't so bad but it's clearly overrated. I'll take a substitute anyday.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:02 PM #17 of 3592
Hmm, looks like there may not be any PS3 related events until E3, essentially proving what Phil Harrison said at E3 2005. What he basically said was that the machine was "going underground until E3" and since he's the head of SCEWWS I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.

Here's the article:

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PS3 a no-show at Destination PlayStation?

Source: A growing number of sites, ranging from US tech-site Joystiq to UK game-destination Spong.

The official story: See below.

What we heard: With the PlayStation 3's official "spring" launch window fast approaching, one would expect Sony to start pulling out all the stops in promoting the next-gen console any minute now. However, the company has instead been eerily silent on the PS3 front, rebuffing inquiries about the next-gen console with the blanket line that it hasn't made any official PS3 announcements since E3 2005.

So when invitations went out for this year's Destination PlayStation (DPS) event in Florida, many thought Sony would use the closed-door event to unveil the PS3 to retailers and industry insiders. Apparently that hasn't happened. An increasing number of leaks from attendees, all of which had to sign nondisclosure agreements to get in the door, claim that the next-gen console was nowhere to be found at the confab.

It now appears that Sony is holding off showing off the PS3 until the 2006 Electronic Entertainment Expo--aka E3--in May. A source familiar with Sony's strategy confirmed the move on condition of anonymity. "Retailers talk too much," the source said. "They decided to keep it under wraps until E3." That bit of information casts some doubt over exactly what will be shown during Sony Computer Entertainment executive Phil Harrison's keynote address at GDC 2006, which is titled "PlayStation 3: Beyond the Box."

For its part, Sony is saying that, contrary to popular perception, they never intended to show the PS3 at DPS. "DPS is actually over and we have made no new announcements concerning PS3," a rep told GameSpot. "We never indicated that DPS was to be used as a forum to disclose new information or demonstrate PS3 content. DPS is designed as a forum to bring our retail and publishing partners together for new-year planning and this is the sixth conference we have hosted to do so."


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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:05 PM #18 of 3592
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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:18 PM #19 of 3592
Let me tell you all a little bit about PS3.

1. The graphics will look no better than the 360, possibly even worse due to the complexity of developing for CELL.

2. The unit will be rushed in any scenario, leading to hardware problems that will eclipse the PS2's.

3. There is no way that Sony could afford to lose all that money by putting a BR drive in every PS3, so there has been talk of dual SKUs. This doesn't make sense though, since the media will be used for games as well. So we can only conclude that the stock Blu-ray drive that comes in all PS3s will be a cheap, awful piece of crap, kind of like the PS2 DVD player.

4. Here is what Sony's PS3 unveiling at E3 will consist of: Fake CG, fake CG, and fake CG.

5. Sony may just announce that PS3 games will use standard DVD9, so they can sell a high-priced version of the PS3 for $900.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:30 PM #20 of 3592
Gotta get the AA guns ready for this one.

Originally Posted by Megalith
Let me tell you all a little bit about PS3.

1. The graphics will look no better than the 360, possibly even worse due to the complexity of developing for CELL.

The sentiment, for the most part, is that the PS3's strength will be in it's physics capabilties (thanks to the SPEs) while it may edge out the 360, graphically, in the end.


2. The unit will be rushed in any scenario, leading to hardware problems that will eclipse the PS2's.

What hardware problems? Sony recently reported that CELL yields were very good and the RSX finished taping out a few weeks ago. These are easily the most important parts of the machine, and neither looks to be problematic on the hardware front. The only that's left is the BRD, and the only reason that's being held up is because the AACS features haven't been agreed upon yet.


3. There is no way that Sony could afford to lose all that money by putting a BR drive in every PS3, so there has been talk of dual SKUs. This doesn't make sense though, since the media will be used for games as well. So we can only conclude that the stock Blu-ray drive that comes in all PS3s will be a cheap, awful piece of crap, kind of like the PS2 DVD player.

The original PS1 was supposed to be $900, the PS2 $700 and the PSP, $500. Folks only started applying the dual SKU idea after Microsoft tried it, just like people bumped their expectations for the PS3's price up to $500 after the 360 launched.

Third time's the charm, eh?


4. Here is what Sony's PS3 unveiling at E3 will consist of: Fake CG, fake CG, and fake CG.

What do you get when you give developers an entire year without leaking a single thing to the media while refining their games?


5. Sony may just announce that PS3 games will use standard DVD9, so they can sell a high-priced version of the PS3 for $900.

Quite a few early PS2 games were on CD-ROMs, so why would it surprise you to see them on DVDs at first?


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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:42 PM Local time: Mar 2, 2006, 11:42 PM #21 of 3592
Either way you look at it, Snake has his biggest challenge yet. Getting those darn PS3s to gamers living rooms. Considering the price that is. :biggrin:

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:50 PM #22 of 3592
He'll just have Otacon shoot you from the next building with a tranq dart while he walks into your house with a PS3 anyway.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 10:51 PM #23 of 3592
1. Didn't they emphasize the physics capabilities of PS2 as well. ::fart noise::

2. BR is such a new technology. There'll be problems.

3. I'm not even talking about price here. I'm just against the notion that the Blu-ray drive is some kind of incredible incentive for PS3 owners, because with all cases considered, the quality of it will be awful. Compare the stock PS2 DVD drive to a standalone player, or the Xbox's even.

5. I'm saying that games might not be on BR at all.

Oh yeah, can someone clarify how BR games are even going to work on the PS3. I've heard that HDMI isn't required, which makes sense, because HDMI would spell suicide.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 11:03 PM #24 of 3592
Originally Posted by Megalith
1. Didn't they emphasize the physics capabilities of PS2 as well. ::fart noise::
When was this? I remember Kutaragi talking about how it could bring little kids back to life and operate global mind control machines, but not physics.

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2. BR is such a new technology. There'll be problems.

3. I'm not even talking about price here. I'm just against the notion that the Blu-ray drive is some kind of incredible incentive for PS3 owners, because with all cases considered, the quality of it will be awful. Compare the stock PS2 DVD drive to a standalone player, or the Xbox's even.
Pfft, of course, that's why first adopters are consciously spending their money on buggy and unreliable hardware. That's on them. You have a point about the Blu-Ray drive being an incentive, since (like you said) it isn't. We may not see it's benefits for games until next gen. You've also, unknowingly, touched on something most folks don't know about the PS3: It's CPU and GPU are doing things that a standalone player's hardware would be doing, therefore reducing it's quality.

Red lasers are cheap as dirt, as are most parts in a BRD, and the blue laser/diode isn't hard to make either.

BTW, the PS2 and XBox are shitty DVD players and wouldn't try to make one out as better than the other. It's like trying to say green tinged shit is better than blue shit.

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5. I'm saying that games might not be on BR at all.

Oh yeah, can someone clarify how BR games are even going to work on the PS3. I've heard that HDMI isn't required, which makes sense, because HDMI would spell suicide.
They may not be, and it's very likely that they won't. How many DVD9 games were there this gen? How many of those actually came close to filling that? Even with loads of uncompressed sound or textures still wouldn't come close to filling BR discs.

Requiring HDMI for PS3 games would be tantamount to blowing your fucking head off after having lapped your competitors 50 times over. With games the only difference the between the 360 and PS3 in terms of output would be that the latter simply has another means of getting the image to your TV.

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Old Mar 2, 2006, 11:09 PM Local time: Mar 3, 2006, 12:09 AM #25 of 3592
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Sony certainly shot themselves in the foot, creating another proprietary format for them to cash in on. I just hope this one bombs as the others. In my opinion to put the Sony fans' mind at ease, the PS3 release date might as well coinicide with the all digital tv signal switch of 2009. This way a definitive release date is set for once.

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