[Movie] The Dark Knight (Batman Begins Sequel)

Originally Posted by Immigrant Overflow

Guys. Has it ever occurred to you that, while your gripes and complaints about how a certain movie is made may or may not be warranted, you guys just happen to over-analyze every single thing to the point where you no longer enjoy a simple popcorn movie?

NO DUMBASS because liberal college fags will talk about this movie nonstop at the local starbucks, those stupid ASSHOLES, I wish they'd stop pushing their farcical "intelligence" into my face!!! If you don't expect every fucking movie EVER to feature the best damn writing you have ever seen then you are simply letting ignorance grab society and choke it by the throat

In other news, I found a screenshot of the next Batman villain, I'm kind of excited.

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Originally Posted by LZ

...you are simply letting ignorance grab society and choke it by the throat

Well, not before I ram my massive meathammer down society's throat, you puckered-tight conservative asshole.

This conversation is going the right way, right?

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EDIT: to make this not a worthless post, I thought it was a good movie. Certainly should please Batman fans who have just been fucked in the ass by previous films.

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LZ, I don't think every movie will be the best movie ever made. I don't think every movie will have a perfect script. I just wish it would. If you're cool with things sucking, that's your problem.

And Beaner, the fact you put Transformers up as the opposing force shows that you missed the point. It's not that one isn't better than the other, it's that they could be SO MUCH BETTER.

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No, I got that too... But at what point are we willing to sacrifice what little redeeming qualities they have in order to bitch and moan about all the shit that went wrong?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

It's not bitching and moaning, it's being critical. And it's not exactly a character trait to be shameful of.

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Continuing with what Encephalon said - Is it possible that filmmakers sometimes simply create a fantasy in which the characters and events are to be taken at face value and not over-analyzed? I'm not saying that's the case with TDK, I just wonder if you critique every movie as if it has messages that the writer/director was trying to subtly communicate when it's quite possible that he/she did not mean to "say" anything but instead just wanted to make an entertaining flick.

How ya doing, buddy?

It's not a matter of over-analyzing, it's a matter of analyzing. Critical thought is not pretentious, it's just underused.

And I'm sure there's people who set out to just make a flick for the sake of making a flick. But setting out to create something purely entertaining still requires you to have a plot, or a message. Something. Or else the movie just collapses into itself like so much boneless Orson Welles.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Right, and that draws this conversation to a close.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

I'm not saying I'm happy it's going to break Box Office records everywhere.

Considering that the last movie to hold most of those records was fucking Spider-Man 3, I'd say lesser of two evils should come into play.

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Originally Posted by Interrobang

Considering that the last movie to hold most of those records was fucking Spider-Man 3, I'd say lesser of two evils should come into play.

Touche.

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So wait.

Enceph steps in to tell people to stop discussing the movie.

Then LZ comes in and fails at what the internet construes as farce or humor or something.

And this is the community we all signed up for? Yuck.

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You know what? If this is about the most complicated thought you can process from this, we'll just go ahead and go with that.

I will seriously never understand why you subliminally hate this place so much and still remain here.

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Originally Posted by Immigrant Overflow

If this is about the most complicated thought you can process from this, we'll just go ahead and go with that.

Oh, so you only respond to the parts of a post you choose to. How clever.

Originally Posted by Immigrant Overflow

I will seriously never understand why you subliminally hate this place so much and still remain here.

I cannot fathom why a staff member wants to kill a thread topic for absolutely no reason. You basically come off as someone's snot-nosed kid brother trying to butt in on a conversation between adults. If you're not going to fucking add anything to the pre-exisiting conversation, its okay to sit one out, rope-a-dope.

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The Dark Knight (2008)

9.6 lol

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Musharraf

The Dark Knight (2008)

9.6 lol

Rated higher than the Godfather. And a solid 1.0 above Dr. Strangelove.

Welcome to the bizarro world that is imdb ratings.

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The whole idea of rating movies in relation to other movies is so logically bankrupt that I can't imagine why anyone would expect the results to be anything other than stupid. Is "Rear Window" better than "Psycho"? What does that even mean

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

The whole idea of rating movies in relation to other movies is so logically bankrupt that I can't imagine why anyone would expect the results to be anything other than stupid. Is "Rear Window" better than "Psycho"? What does that even mean

It means people really like funny exit lines.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

...crap like V For Vendetta (which is basically backhanded support of fascism)...

...Now, I'm all for intellectual comic book movies that fail in-so-far as they're earnest in the attempt (see - Hulk)...

Oh wow, just wow. I think you've just pushed your character over the line from comedy into farce with those two statements mate.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Welcome to the bizarro world that is imdb ratings.

Well, honestly, I wouldn't care about the rating so much if it wasn't for the fact that there were already 70,000 votes (which is quite a lot). I mean, you often see new movies with a 9.x rating based on a couple of thousands of votes, and a few weeks later, the rating has dropped to 7 or 8. I don't see it happen to this movie.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Rated higher than the Godfather. And a solid 1.0 above Dr. Strangelove.

Welcome to the bizarro world that is imdb ratings.

Popular opinion; the eternal enemy of pompous Film Studies students.

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Originally Posted by Shin

Oh wow, just wow. I think you've just pushed your character over the line from comedy into farce with those two statements mate.

The Hulk, while it didn't get where it was going, was basically nothing more than a child neglect story.

V For Vendetta is literally "If you don't agree with us, you're not only wrong, you're also Hitler".

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Originally Posted by LeHah

The Hulk, while it didn't get where it was going, was basically nothing more than a child neglect story.

V For Vendetta is literally "If you don't agree with us, you're not only wrong, you're also Hitler".

Ha ha ha, I see what you mean. I was a big fan of the V graphic novel before I saw the film so I guess knowing all the rest of the story that gets left out makes it slighty less in-your-face preachy. Also, living under our current government makes it seem a bit more relevant possibly. Also it's got Stephen Fry playing himself (For a change) which is always a good thing.

The Hulk, I always felt was punching rather above it's weight in terms of message delivery. The ending particulatly destroyed any credibility it might have had up to that point, they should have killed him and had a poignant, introspective end instead of that jungle bullshit.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Shin

Ha ha ha, I see what you mean. I was a big fan of the V graphic novel before I saw the film so I guess knowing all the rest of the story that gets left out makes it slighty less in-your-face preachy.

It's certainly a movie that is darned sure it has a message but can't even begin to figure out what it's supposed to be. It's one of those movies that idiots think is clever, like The Matrix. (As opposed to, say, Fight Club. Fight Club is a fairly smart movie ruined entirely by people, V is a fairly stupid movie treated the same way. I'd say there's still something to Fight Club; It's not the amazing meaning of life that every disaffected myspace user has been insisting for the past several years, but it does say something.)

V, though, is pretty far from subversive. Just the opposite, even -- it removes things from the comic to make it more appealing to general people... and all the stuff it adds are really really generic obvious modern jabs. The overwhelming sense you get from the comic is that it's just a 1984 pasthche - the overwhelming sense you get from the movie is that it's artistic cannibalism to remove points from the original plot to substitute whats popular to fight against in 2006.

"V.." was written as commentary against anti-gay politics in 1980s England. The movie still has all the stuff about the British government putting gays in concentration camps and the obvious message there -- but at the same time, V himself isn't gay in the movie, when he is a homosexual in the book.

If you want to be more exacting - why are you taking material that is rallying against the British Government by using a character in a Guy Fawkes mask, and then making it a movie about rallying against the Bush administration ... using a character in a Guy Fawkes mask? Shouldn't he be wearing a George Washington mask or something?

Originally Posted by Alan Moore 8/30/2006

"(The movie) has been "turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country.... It's a thwarted and frustrated and largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values standing up against a state run by neoconservatives—which is not what the comic V for Vendetta was about. It was about fascism, it was about anarchy, it was about England."

I think the movie is dated a lot more than the comic is, though, because lots of it comes off as clear attempts to glob modern commentary to a story where it doesn't belong and makes no sense. The comic has a taken-from-Orwell radio voice of authority who reports all the news - but the movie turns that into a Bill O'Reilly angry news commentator character. And they're part of the evil British fascist government and responsible for the concentration camps and such.

Way to be slick, Hollywood.

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