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Illegal aliens from Mexico to receive Social Security benefits after only 18 months?
Yesterday, I just caught the back-end of a segment on Glen Beck (on TV, not the radio show) about illegal immigration and Social Security. The guest on the segment was Steven Camarota, head of the Center for Immigration studies. (They're the nation's only "think tank" on immigration research: http://www.cis.org/) I headed on over to the CIS homepage and discovered that they had a link to an article on the issue that Steven was discussing with Glen on the show.
Article link: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=53613
Jam it back in, in the dark.
"We are all the sum of our tears. Too little, and the ground is not fertile and nothing can grow there. Too much – the best of us is washed away…" - G'Kar
Last edited by speculative; Jan 5, 2007 at 10:26 AM.
Reason: sources located
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That's a pretty big claim to make, and while I understand that you don't have any sources, we do sort of require sources in thread creation when making claims of this nature. This thread has been closed temporarily until you can find a source. PM me or Styphon once you have one and are ready to edit it into your opening post.
Thread re-opened. There's nowhere I can't reach.
Last edited by Bradylama; Jan 5, 2007 at 10:10 AM.
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Wow that's pretty incredible. I don't care much for illegal immigration, however I don't think erecting a wall will do much to stop it. If this happens, then no fucking wall or anything can do much for stopping illegal immigration. Gotta love hypocrisy.
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
The simplest solution is to shoot all border jumpers on-sight. They're technically invading this country, but they only want to break our laws and not our spirits, so it's not kosher.
I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't some Neoconservative conspiracy to destroy the Social Security network from within. It's as good a reason to get rid of the Minimum Wage than ever, I suppose. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Yeah because mass murder is so acceptable. The easiest way to get rid of this problem is to stop giving them incentives to be here. Punish the companies that hire them. Punish the people harshly who sell Social Security numbers to them. Get rid of this stupid Social Security benefits for them. Get rid of all potentials benefits for them. The reason they come here is because pay is better and the work demand is here. Mexico is in a pretty sorry state when it comes to living and many people will jump the border to work for money and send it back to their families in Mexico. Or they'll try to create new lives here. They don't all want to be here, they'd rather be there if it was better. Come on, would you want to live in the United States if the police were so corrupt that they can be bought, the wages were fucking terrible and any other social problems they might have? Of course not. It would also be a good idea to try to work with Mexico to set up a less corrupt government, since we like meddling in other people's affairs. Though I doubt we can do much about corruption when we have plenty of our own. This is just a complicated problem with no easy answer. I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
That's what you get with Free Trade agreements where one party (us) heavily subsidizes farming.
I personally think a North American Bloc would be a novel idea. Unified free economies between Mexico, the US, and Canada. Open borders everywhere, and citizens from each country can work in the other with no restrictions. How ya doing, buddy? |
Economists have pointed out that if we really didn't like them here, we could keep them out. Easily. The US military might is a force to be reckoned with. As Brady suggested, we could shoot them on sight. It's legal. They ARE invading, after all. However, they do help stimulate the economy, although most ignorant hicks don't realize this and talk about stealing their jobs. You know, the one where they work the fields for three bucks an hour. The government probably turns a blind eye to it publicly, and supports it privately. Wouldn't you?
Although the concept that it might be a way to destroy Social Security is intriguing. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Without a legal minimum, employers who pay their workers minimum wage would have to compete with each other in order to attract labor. Let's say there's a small town where every resturaunt pays their workers the same relative wage. In order to compete with these resturaunts in labor, an entrepreneur starting a new resturaunt offers to pay his employees maybe a dollar or two more an hour than his competitors. This encourages the workers in the current joints to seek jobs at his own establishment, which avoids having to train a completely new staff from scratch. If the resturaunts that already exist want to keep their workers instead of having to train their new ones, they would have to raise the pay of their workers, or offer other incentives like health plans in the case of large franchises.
In any case, the pay gravitates towards how much wealth is being generated by the workers. As it is, with a minimum standard, in many cases employers are either forced to pay more than their labor is worth, which hurts overall employment, or they're paying their labor worth less because there is a national standard for unskilled labor that neophytes will easily accept. In many cases, the jobs that illegals perform are jobs that Americans absolutely can't do, because the value of their labor doesn't even come close to justifying paying them a minimum wage. They're jobs that Americans legally cannot do. If there was no minimum wage, then the illegals would have to compete with those jobs with the Americans that need them most, being high school and college students, retirees, and national minorities (American blacks, hispanics, etc.,). Would the contractors rebuilding New Orleans have used illegal labor if the unemployed blacks in New Orleans could work for the same rates? Here's something any doubters should consider about the political nature of minimum wage:
There's nowhere I can't reach.
Last edited by Bradylama; Jan 7, 2007 at 06:05 PM.
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