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Guide to Proper Lossless Rips
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Old Aug 8, 2006, 06:35 PM #76 of 105
Your WAV compare would say "12 missing samples" whether you had the right offset or not. All it means is that one WAV is 12 samples offset from the other.

I'd say that CDFreaks is pretty reliable but not 100%.

Probably the best thing for you to do would be to get AccurateRip. AccurateRip checks your drive's offset based off of a scan of one of many known CD's, and then checks it against a database to determine your drive's offset.

Then, everytime you rip a CD, it will compare the checksums against a database to be sure that each track was ripped accurately.

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Old Aug 8, 2006, 06:49 PM Local time: Aug 8, 2006, 05:49 PM #77 of 105
The problem is, I barely have any CDs that are in AccurateRip's database. I tested most of them and they all give me an error message, stating that "This CD is not in AccurateRip's database. Please insert a different Key Disc." =/

Eleo's guide says that if I'm following it exactly as it states, then I don't need AR. Which I'm doing.

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AccurateRip may or may not necessary depending on how your'e doing your rips. If you're following this guide entirely and ripping CDs using the Test/Copy method in Secure mode, AccurateRip isn't needed. If you're not doing a Test before you Copy or using a mode besides Secure, AccurateRip is for you since you probably want to be sure that your rip is actually accurate.


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Old Aug 10, 2006, 06:24 AM Local time: Aug 11, 2006, 12:24 AM #78 of 105
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EAC extraction logfile from 10. August 2006, 21:51 for CD
Shin Hae Chul & N.EX.T / Guilty Gear XX #Reload Korean Version O.S.T. Disc 1

Used drive : TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-W162Z Adapter: 3 ID: 0
Read mode : Burst
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : C:\Program Files\Exact Audio Copy\bin\flac.exe (User Defined Encoder)
192 kBit/s
Additional command line options : -5 -V -T "ARTIST=%a" -T "TITLE=%t" -T "ALBUM=%g" -T "DATE=%y" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%n" -T "GENRE=%m" %s

Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track 1
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\01 - Labyrinth of Souls (Opening).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 82.4 %
Test CRC 1416D7AB
Copy CRC 1416D7AB
Copy OK

Track 2
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\02 - Redemption (Character Select).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 67.8 %
Test CRC CCD7DA20
Copy CRC CCD7DA20
Copy OK

Track 3
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\03 - VS.wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 63.4 %
Test CRC B901ADE2
Copy CRC B901ADE2
Copy OK

Track 4
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\04 - Starchaser (Sol Badguy's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 96.3 %
Test CRC DABB0789
Copy CRC DABB0789
Copy OK

Track 5
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\05 - Pillars of the Underworld (Ky's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 77.7 %
Test CRC F465A6E9
Copy CRC F465A6E9
Copy OK

Track 6
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\06 - Get Out of My Way (May's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 100.0 %
Test CRC 1ABCB1D1
Copy CRC 1ABCB1D1
Copy OK

Track 7
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\07 - The Great Empress (Millia's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 85.3 %
Test CRC CBCD9512
Copy CRC CBCD9512
Copy OK

Track 8
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\08 - Dementia (Eddie's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 87.7 %
Test CRC 8EAE706B
Copy CRC 8EAE706B
Copy OK

Track 9
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\09 - Megatona Furioso (Potemkin's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:01.74

Peak level 96.2 %
Test CRC D159DB83
Copy CRC D159DB83
Copy OK

Track 10
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\10 - Child of the Wild (Chipp's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 83.2 %
Test CRC 72971F97
Copy CRC 72971F97
Copy OK

Track 11
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\11 - Take the Pain (Faust's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 91.7 %
Test CRC E8D29B97
Copy CRC E8D29B97
Copy OK

Track 12
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\12 - Dogs On the Run (Axl's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:01.74

Peak level 100.0 %
Test CRC 55F84503
Copy CRC 55F84503
Copy OK

Track 13
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\13 - Ricochet (Baiken's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 88.8 %
Test CRC 6B6A0A8E
Copy CRC 6B6A0A8E
Copy OK

Track 14
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\14 - Riding the Clouds (Anji's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:01.74

Peak level 85.7 %
Test CRC 7435F918
Copy CRC 7435F918
Copy OK

Track 15
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\15 - Keeper of the Unknown (Venom's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 63.8 %
Test CRC F57A9D84
Copy CRC F57A9D84
Copy OK

Track 16
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\16 - Desert Dust (Johnny's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 77.7 %
Test CRC A0D47B0E
Copy CRC A0D47B0E
Copy OK

Track 17
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\17 - Sticks and Stones (Jam's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 81.1 %
Test CRC 7A11C17C
Copy CRC 7A11C17C
Copy OK

Track 18
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\18 - In the Arms of Death (Testament's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 87.8 %
Test CRC DC8BD377
Copy CRC DC8BD377
Copy OK

Track 19
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\19 - Tears are Forever (Dizzy's Theme).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:02.00

Peak level 66.8 %
Test CRC BA35A437
Copy CRC BA35A437
Copy OK

Track 20
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\private\Desktop\20 - Fighting (Continue).wav

Pre-gap length 0:00:01.74

Peak level 77.7 %
Test CRC 637BC507
Copy CRC 637BC507
Copy OK

No errors occured


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Sup Eleo? This is one of my logs from ripping. I noticed unlike your log, it doesn't have "Track quality: xx%" anywhere. Your version appears a little outdated but is there a possible solution to this that I've glanced over?

Great guide, btw.

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Old Aug 10, 2006, 12:39 PM #79 of 105
Elixir, you used Burst mode.

Also, Blue_Kirby, AccurateRip has two functions. One is to find your drive offset. It's other function is to compare your rips to the results of other people who have ripped the CD to see if your rips match.

If you're using Test/Copy when you rip your CDs, and the CRCs are identical, AND you have the right offset for your drive, AND there are no errors during the ripping process, the chances that your rip are incorrect are very, very slim. Your drive is essentially attempting to rip the same data twice and getting the exact same results each time, which is a good thing; it means that it's most likely doing it correctly.

If you're not using a secure ripping method or not using Test/Copy, there's no way to really verify that your rip is accurate just by looking at the logs. That's when AccurateRip comes in; it checks your results against other people's results and tells you if your results match up or not.

AccurateRip isn't always perfect for a lot of reasons, BUT it will never tell your that you ripped something correctly when you didn't. But it MIGHT imply your rip is not correct when it is. This is because a lot of CDs have multiple pressings, so the results in the AccurateRip database might be from a different pressing of the exact same album you have. A different pressing of the same CD causes a slight difference in the data.

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Old Aug 10, 2006, 01:03 PM Local time: Aug 10, 2006, 12:03 PM #80 of 105
I am always using Test/Copy, and so far none of the CDs I've ripped (using this guide - I ripped two more CDs last night) are causing problems. Thanks for the tips.

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Old Aug 10, 2006, 07:42 PM Local time: Aug 11, 2006, 01:42 PM #81 of 105
Alright, I've just ripped again with Burst off.

The bitrates are identical, however, so I can assume that the songs are also?

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Old Aug 10, 2006, 08:04 PM Local time: Aug 10, 2006, 07:04 PM #82 of 105
Bitrates don't matter if you're working with FLAC. FLAC has its own bitrate, so EAC doesn't care what bitrate setting you use when ripping CDs.

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Old Aug 10, 2006, 08:11 PM Local time: Aug 11, 2006, 02:11 PM #83 of 105
Okay. So is the difference between a ripped OST using Burst, and a ripped OST without Burst of any significance? I really don't want to tag and rename a 2 disc OST if it isn't necessary.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Aug 10, 2006, 08:18 PM Local time: Aug 10, 2006, 07:18 PM #84 of 105
You'll have to ask Eleo regarding that. I've never ripped using Burst mode, and I don't know what that is.

Sorry I couldn't be of help on that though.

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Old Aug 10, 2006, 09:54 PM #85 of 105
Originally Posted by Elixir
Alright, I've just ripped again with Burst off.

The bitrates are identical, however, so I can assume that the songs are also?
I don't think you mean bitrates, I think you mean CRCs from the logs, right?

A CD ripped with Burst mode isn't always secure. I would recommend you rerip whatever you have ripped.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Aug 10, 2006, 10:29 PM Local time: Aug 11, 2006, 04:29 PM #86 of 105
No, I mean bitrates. They're identical so I just assumed that they were alike.

I guess I'll rerip them without using burst, but I really don't see any difference.

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Old Aug 12, 2006, 02:33 AM Local time: Aug 12, 2006, 05:33 PM #87 of 105
The option's really just there because sometimes the ripping process fails to activate in one mode or the other.

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Old Aug 26, 2006, 05:04 PM Local time: Aug 26, 2006, 02:04 PM #88 of 105
Another pregap question here! Are CUE files supposed to be off in comparison to the listing in EAC and the LOG? Take a look below to see what I am talking about, though for some reason the CUE listing for the gap isn't the same as is listed in the LOG. This is an issue on all my rips! Call me confused...

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File Type: txt CUE.txt (1.1 KB, 10 views)
File Type: txt Noncompliant CUE.txt (1.3 KB, 6 views)
File Type: txt LOG.txt (3.5 KB, 5 views)
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Old Aug 27, 2006, 01:16 AM #89 of 105
Well every audio CD has a gap of two seconds (I think; there may be some exceptions, I don't know); it's normal for the CUEsheet to exclude the first two seconds from its pregap flag because it's assumed they exist.

Then you have to take into account that EAC is measuring in seconds when time on a CD is generally measured in frames. It is my understanding that frames are the "correct" unit of measurement for time on a CD.

I believe EAC natively displays time in hundredths of a second (you can change this option in Options -> General tab), which is more precise than necessary, because there are only 75 frames in a second on a CD. So in your log you have 2.44 seconds. In your cue, those 2 seconds are ignored, leaving you with 44 hundredths of a second; which is equal to 33 frames. (100/75 = 44/33). Similarly, 64 hundredths of a second equal to 48 frames, and so on. You can do the conversions for yourself.

Bottom line, just ignore it

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Thinking about it, your question would make a good addition to the FAQ.

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Last edited by Eleo; Aug 27, 2006 at 01:18 AM. Reason: Automerged additional post.
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Old Sep 8, 2006, 01:45 AM #90 of 105
How do i tell if a rip is accurate or not without having the original myself? I ask because someone ripped the DMC3 OST in flac and i want to up that to the tracker but sabbey asked if it was accurate.

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Old Sep 8, 2006, 02:25 AM Local time: Sep 8, 2006, 02:25 AM #91 of 105
You won't be able to compare it unless you have some documentation on the original to compare it to, sorry.

The tracker now has "Non-proper" torrent catagories for just this purpose.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Sep 8, 2006, 02:50 PM Local time: Sep 8, 2006, 11:50 AM #92 of 105
Assuming it has a CUE and LOG, that should be fine as in regards to if it's proper, right?

BTW, thanks Eleo for the pregap info. Was scratching my head over that one!

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Old Sep 8, 2006, 09:48 PM #93 of 105
Yes there is a cue file with the rip BUT the filenames in the cue file are in anothe language which would make things more complicated since I had to retag all 104 tracks.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Oct 11, 2006, 11:29 AM Local time: Oct 11, 2006, 05:29 PM #94 of 105
Okey, so I want to rip this CD that I have. The format is .oma or .omg, meaning that it's some sony stuff. EAC can't handle it, gives me sync errors everytime I try. So I read that dbpowerAMP can rip it.

My question being this:
Are there any differences between EAC and dbpowerAMP? Will it still be lossless when I rip it? Will it still be the same quality as any standard EAC rip?

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Old Oct 12, 2006, 12:11 PM #95 of 105
.oma and .omg are containers for Sony's ATRAC format, which is lossy (and lousy, at that). You got shafted.

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Old Oct 12, 2006, 01:49 PM Local time: Oct 12, 2006, 07:49 PM #96 of 105
But it's an original CD, not some junk I downloaded from the net. And it's the official release of that CD, not a bootleg. How can an original CD be lossy? I'm confused.

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Old Oct 12, 2006, 11:13 PM Local time: Oct 12, 2006, 08:13 PM #97 of 105
It's probably just their crappy idea of copy-protection. Seems most now give lossy versions of the music on such protected CDs when used on a PC rather than a standard CD player. Not that it will always work either though...

If you want CD quality I'd recommend either finding another version of the CD if it's mainstream (Since there's a slim chance not all versions of the CD around the globe are protected) or a way to burn it and send Sony a message, by demanding a full refund either way. Which CD is it BTW, maybe there's another issue at work?

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Old Oct 13, 2006, 08:29 AM Local time: Oct 13, 2006, 07:29 AM #98 of 105
Most CDs I've come across nowadays in the stores have two prints - one of them being a double-sided disc (one side with the music, the other side with DVD content), and another print with the music only. The print with the DVD content usually comes in these weird cases. I tried to rip one of those a long time ago but it failed since it was copy-protected. As far as I remember the CD prints with the music only didn't have copy-protection.

I don't know how Canada prints their music compared to the US, though.

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Old Oct 14, 2006, 06:30 AM #99 of 105
Originally Posted by YoMan
But it's an original CD, not some junk I downloaded from the net. And it's the official release of that CD, not a bootleg. How can an original CD be lossy? I'm confused.
Oh, okay, so then what you're looking at is the second session (a data session) as this is a "CD Extra" rather than a plain audio-CD.

Exact Audio Copy will handle it just fine if your CD-ROM drive is any good.

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Old Oct 15, 2006, 11:56 AM Local time: Oct 15, 2006, 05:56 PM #100 of 105
Is it still lossy? Cause if it is there is no point in trying to rip it, because I want it lossless.

I have a NEC DVD RW 3550A. I tried ripping it, but it gave me a bunch of sync errors. I tried it with the standard EAC lossless ripping setup (Eleo's guide). Maybe I need to change some settings?

And here is a link to the CD.

http://www.cdon.com/main.phtml?navroot=904&session=1

Duran Duran - Astronaut (CD+DVD)

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