Japanese Scientists Play God

There's a short story that addresses the planned creation of a micro-universe in the book Vacuum Diagrams by Stephen Baxter. If I recall correctly, it did not end well. I belive that one of the races that evolved in the universe figured out what was going on, became enraged, and attempted to destroy our universe.

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That's what we should really be doing: find the aliens that created our universe in a lab, and then decide to wage war against them.

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Erm... This sounds like playing god alright. Without any solid idea on how to control this power, I don't really see this going well.

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The least that could happen if something goes wrong is that we just blow up the planet and possibly the solar system.

That's very interesting though. Reminds me of the Futurama when Professor Farnsworth created a universe inside a box, and then there ended up being many other universes.

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Originally Posted by Kyndig

There's a short story that addresses the planned creation of a micro-universe in the book Vacuum Diagrams by Stephen Baxter. If I recall correctly, it did not end well. I belive that one of the races that evolved in the universe figured out what was going on, became enraged, and attempted to destroy our universe.

And if it happens in sci-fi, it happens in real life.

Originally Posted by ZerosConcubine

Some things should not be tampered with, and I believe that this is one of them.

This is science class, philosophy of morality is down the hall. Whether it's right or it's wrong, the possible implications of creating a universe are astounding. It would force the entire perspective concerning creation to be shifted, reexamined. Also, the christian right would just be so pissed.

Originally Posted by Zerosconcubine

Though, if the earth was to even become inhabitable, then maybe this research would be of some use. Other then that, I am not really to sure this is a stable idea.

First off: What? If the earth was to even become inhabitable? The earth IS inhabitable. You're on it RIGHT NOW, breathing up my air and wasting my internet. Secondly, not sure it's a stable idea? was Nuclear fission a stable idea? How about the idea of space travel? We had no idea what would happen if we punched a craft towards the moon, but we did it anyway.

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Intresting, but how do they plan to create a universe when they dont even fully understand how one works?

I don't fully understand tornados, but I can create one with two 2L pop bottles and some water.

Let me explain. No, is too much. Let me sum up: Will they pull this off? No. They can't even be sure if it works or not, they can't measure it. Is it a cool theory? Oh hells yea, and one that may one day lead to all sorts of interesting discoveries. Stop acting like the sky is falling on your heads and show a little interest in progress. If you want to avoid risks at all cost, go be Amish and build a fucking barn. The rest of the class wants to create a motherfucking universe

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Oh yeah. This is so going to kick those anti-cloning ppl into high gear.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

And if it happens in sci-fi, it happens in real life.

More than you might think. Alot of the writers of hard science fiction are prominent individuals in their field of of academia and the things they write about are not mere baseless speculation.

Originally Posted by Dhsu

That's what we should really be doing: find the aliens that created our universe in a lab, and then decide to wage war against them.

When the day comes, don't forget that you're the one that suggested it.

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I don't fully understand tornados, but I can create one with two 2L pop bottles and some water.

Let me explain. No, is too much. Let me sum up: Will they pull this off? No. They can't even be sure if it works or not, they can't measure it. Is it a cool theory? Oh hells yea, and one that may one day lead to all sorts of interesting discoveries. Stop acting like the sky is falling on your heads and show a little interest in progress. If you want to avoid risks at all cost, go be Amish and build a fucking barn. The rest of the class wants to create a motherfucking universe

I agree 100%, i just worry about what may happen. we know very fucking little about the nature of the universe. is it a cool idea? like you said, hells yeah. i just doubt their ablity to pull it off safely/at all.

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They can't even be sure if it works or not,

They can't even do it. Like Dhsu pointed out, they need a monopole for the experiment. In other words, they need a magnet with only one pole, and according to current physical theory, is impossible to find. It might be possible to create it artificially, but then that would be how they'd intend to create this new universe, I suppose.

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Didn't the Ancients in Stargate do this once?

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Originally Posted by Kyndig

More than you might think. Alot of the writers of hard science fiction are prominent individuals in their field of of academia and the things they write about are not mere baseless speculation.

I know that, but just because there's a short story about robots coming to life and killing their creators doesn't mean it REALLY HAPPENED.

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That's because it's called Science Fiction, you fucking ponce. The better sci-fi writers knew how humanity would make science work in the first place. Asimov always felt that the problems of progress would be solved by wisdom, and as a result put out the Three Laws of Robotics.

If we created a universe that operated on a time-space continuum more advanced than our own, and eventually a species would come into being that would recognize that their universe was created in a lab of ours, then sure why not? Stranger stuff has happened, and it's been perpetrated by humans.

That problem doesn't exactly apply here, though, becuase as soon as the mini-universe breaks off from our own it stops existing within our universe. It won't be invisible in a lab or some shit, it'll have its own space-time continuum. To us and the rest of the universe at large, it won't for all practical purposes exist.

I was speaking idiomatically.

As cool as this sounds, I'm still pretty worried. I mean I don't wanna wake up one day and then STOP BEING. I haven't even gotten laid yet and the Japanese wanna risk blowing up the universe.

I'd rather they just find Zohar and make a colony ship escorting a super bio-weapon called Deus. At least THEN I know I'll be reincarnated, albeit artificially, with super ether powers and giant mechs.

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Originally Posted by Kurado

I'd rather they just find Zohar and make a colony ship escorting a super bio-weapon called Deus. At least THEN I know I'll be reincarnated, albeit artificially, with super ether powers and giant mechs.

Meh, I would just rather be a bio-weapon corrupted by the one thing it was meant to fight, then I could rip my head off and pop it in front of people...while doing that creepy laugh...but that is just me.

Hey, if this does go wrong and destroy the universe, at least it will be quick and painless :P

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You say that like you've experienced a universe-destroying event before. We don't know! It's all theory and numbers that might not even exist!

It would be pretty rad if it was like some totally euphoric feeling and then PLOOP. BAD END.

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Oh, actually if it somehow destroys our universe, then it essentially means it didn't conform to any of our current theories, so it might just as well stop time completely after distorting space in ways we cannot understand in the entire universe for a few moments, enough for us to feel it, and thus essentially freeze everything in an eternity of unimaginable pain.

EDIT: Seems like Kurado posted before I did.

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Those Japanese really have no limit to their genius. I'm sure tomorrow they'll create a machine that instantly creates full-scale pyramids, and the day after discover to secret to teleportation. :biggrin:

A far-out concept, this notion of a mini-universe existing indepednently of our own. Can't say I really understand everything stated in that article, but I have to agree with the other posters in the respect that science has only evolved from risks taken. This would be no different.

And hey, if it does go wrong, at least we'd most likely die instantaneously.

At least I hope.

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It should be noted that the other "risks taken" involved injury to the inventor or scientists in question. Even when they dropped the H-Bomb, there was only a fear that it would destroy the Earth's atmosphere, not something that could wipe out our entire section of the galaxy, if not the universe.

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Well there is another possibility . . .

IF the Christians are right and their God is the God, then He might come down and say "HEY! You are NOT allowed to do that, fuckers! RESPECT my AUTHORITAH!" and then send Japan the way of Atlantis.

Who knows, maybe that's what actually happened to Atlantis, if it existed . . .

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If nothings observable anyways... let just play it safe; lets not make one and say we did, mk? oh, and in your notes, be sure to mention high radiation, fields, instability, and w/e will keep you crazy scientists from trying things that affect our fabric of existance. I don't like this idea one bit...

I was speaking idiomatically.

No, you have to think that anime scifi is the real reality and we would just make one small step towards this sophistication. Japan being the initiators of course.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Haha, and you wonder how our universe was created? :P

Even though they're stating that it wouldn't affect our universe, imagine if they were wrong. That'd be a neverending nightmare.

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No kidding. But look on the bright side, we will probabley not know what happens if the universe does end. Most things in the universe happen to fast for us to percieve with our own senses after all.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

If you want to avoid risks at all cost, go be Amish and build a fucking barn. The rest of the class wants to create a motherfucking universe

I need to get a stamp that says that.

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Interesting theory. Although there are somethings that should not be tampered with....and this is one of them. I mean they may say that it won't ruin our space-time continuum, but what's to say if one number/symbol is in the wrong place or they forgot something? I mean it's happened in the past, but if this thing goes wrong with this exsperiment, it's going to be on a MUCH larger scale.

As I said, it's interesting and it sort of creeps me out a little. But I won't loose any sleep over it :shh: ....

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