Israel invades Gaza

Yeah ok, I figured as much. Nevermind then.

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It wouldn't be out of the question if Jewish settlers were stopped from encroaching on Palestinian land and the Israelis themselves stopped electing hard right fascists like the Likkud.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Oh, it would be easy. And for our next trick we'd make Sunni and Shi'a share a hotel room together. Just for kicks.

Fuck. This would be the best comedy sitcom ever. Can we make this happen?

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Mohammed the not-gay gays don't exist in our country roomate returns to find Raheem sitting alone on the couch.

"Where is Assan?" -Mohammed says this, sounding very gay

"He fled the apartment."

"Oh Raheem." *laughtrack* *end scene*

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

I guess having a joint Palestinian-Israeli country is out of the question?

Well, one could argue Israel itself is just that already (with its own set of issues).

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So the country is called Israel and it always was called Israel. And the Israelis are trying to get rid of the terrorists that are in Israel. And the Palestinians have a whole country called Palestine but they want to live in Israel? Why can't the Israelis just live in Israel, and the Palestinians just live in Palestine?

Sometimes I amaze myself with my genius.

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So the country is called Israel and it always was called Israel. And the Israelis are trying to get rid of the terrorists that are in Israel. And the Palestinians have a whole country called Palestine but they want to live in Israel? Why can't the Israelis just live in Israel, and the Palestinians just live in Palestine?

If only it were that simple...

First of all, the Palestinians were there first - the Israeli's were given the land after WW2 because we all felt really bad for them, the whole genocide thing and all, but didn't really think of the consequences of giving them land that someone else already lived in. The Israeli's keep on annexing more and more land, be it through illegal settlements, illegal occupations, etc...

How would you honestly feel if you were living in your apartment, and your neighbour literally buldozed your wall and annexed your apartment, kicking you and your family out on the street (if he didn't run you over with the bulldozer in the first place). Would you just take it? Be like "Oh well, that's life?"

Do you think that's fair? Do you think that they have no claim to land that was once rightfully theirs? It's not like they all just got up and left, and they claimed the land because of some fairy-tale book and "god" told them it was theirs - they lived there, they worked thier, they paid for and owned that land.



What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Nobody has a "claim" to any land, period. The only authority anyone has to own anything on the international stage is power. No nation or culture has any inherent right to own any piece of real estate.

Is it "fair"? No.

Did it already happen? Yes.

Is there even the slightest chance it will ever go back to the way it was? No.

I do feel sympathy for these people but it seems almost obvious that some of them are spending their lives running headfirst into walls just for the sake of making a point.

Who are these people who still feel this deep cultural connection to a CHUNK OF DIRT they lost 60 years ago? It's dirt! And not even particularly fertile dirt!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You know, we raped and pillaged all of this land from the Indians, but they're not shooting rockets at us from their casinos.

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You know, I was going to make that exact same comparison.

And then I realized "Wait! The American Indians did fight back to the best of their ability for the first decades of occupation!"

So I didn't use that comparison because it would've been stupid.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

And now we sorta learned to get along with each other today, even though there may still be some outstanding grievances that need addressing.

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Yeah, a good century and a half later we're basically chill but this shit takes time, even without taking into account the totally different cultures in play.

It is hard to imagine that the American Indians would have even cared much if we just called their land "America" but continued to let them live there however they liked. Their grievances weren't explicitly political. As has been demonstrated, people of Palestinian extraction live peaceably in Israeli territory all the time, so what is this fight about other than a name and a flag?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Exactly, that is the comparison. They bitched about it for a while, but they weren't still doing border raids 60 years after we kicked them off their land.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Yeah, but we can't say for certain whether this would have been the case had the American Indians had major access to rockets and other explosives as well as an inclination to blow themselves up. When you can strike with some degree of impunity, the temptation to keep resisting is much greater.

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Alcohol use is also a sin in Islam, so it's not like the Palestinians are just going to abuse themselves into complacency.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Alcohol use is also a sin in Islam

Yeah, but so is suicide

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And you'd think the Israelis had learned a thing or two about descrimination, but they sure love to descriminate against palestinians. Has anyone here ever been to Palestine?

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

Yeah, but so is suicide

Suicide rendered in glorious Jihad is a better alternative to being a Palestinian.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

Take a look at my statement, tell me where I said it was OK. The quick answer to that is, I did not. Because it's not OK. What I actually said was, the precedent for such an action was rather set by the invasion of Iraq.

The point being that by marching ahead with the invasion of Iraq despite objections from various countries those involved implicitly opened the door to other countries following suit as long as it's all part of the guise of going after terrorists. Of course it's not OK, but that doesn't mean the precedent wasn't set.

Try actually, you know, reading before you reach for that post button.

I get your point. The invasion of Iraq has set a precedent. Please don't be condescending.

All I'm attacking is what you seemed to imply by pulling this out of nowhere in response to Locke's claims. That, basically, Israel shouldn't be called out on the current attacks because there is a precedent, and if anyone is to blame it's the U.S.A. and the U.K. That's shitty logic, because deciding whose fault it was in the first place isn't going to help stop the killing of civilians in Gaza, whereas international pressure on Israel actually might.

Not to mention the invasion of a sovereign country by another sovereign country (situated on another continent!) under the pretence of overthrowing a dictatorship and removing the WMDs they allegedly own has actually very little in common with the situation at hand, which involves a country and neighbouring territories that share a 60-year history of conflicts and wars.

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Uh, the Israelis set the precedent for us when they invaded Lebanon to go after the PLO, which hurf durf gave rise to Hezbollah woops oh well.

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Stuff the two-state solution. I'm shit fed up hearing both sides wailing about it. Change Palestine's legal status, revise Israeli borders, have a THRILLION memoranda of understanding, and it will still be one militaristic siege state pitted against one semi-autonomous prison camp.

A single, binational state adopting both flags and secular governance is the only real long-term solution. And really, it's no less impossible than having these two coexisting peacefully as genuine, viable states.




What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I'm going to piss off a large amount of people, but like that's stopped me before.

The loss of Israel is only the fault of the Palestinians because they run one of the worst fucking cultures in the world. Being Arab fucking sucks, and poor state of the Arab nations is nothing but their own fault even though they continue to blame Western culture for their misfortunes. The only mildly successful Arab nations are ones that have close Western ties, AKA OIL.

Lets assume for the moment that the Arab nations get their wish and Israel is pushed into the sea. Now what? Will gaining the land of Israel somehow create this wonderful Arab utopia? Fuck no, it will become just another Arab nation shithole that nobody wants to deal with. Fuck you Palestinians, you've done nothing to deserve your own country.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

I'm going to piss off a large amount of people, but like that's stopped me before.

The loss of Israel is only the fault of the Palestinians because they run one of the worst fucking cultures in the world. Being Arab fucking sucks, and poor state of the Arab nations is nothing but their own fault even though they continue to blame Western culture for their misfortunes. The only mildly successful Arab nations are ones that have close Western ties, AKA OIL.

Lets assume for the moment that the Arab nations get their wish and Israel is pushed into the sea. Now what? Will gaining the land of Israel somehow create this wonderful Arab utopia? Fuck no, it will become just another Arab nation shithole that nobody wants to deal with. Fuck you Palestinians, you've done nothing to deserve your own country.

As opposed to the Israelis that have done... what exactly?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Yeah, I guess it sucks to be Arab because you don't speak a language that Gust RPGs get translated into.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Cetra

The loss of Israel is only the fault of the Palestinians because they run one of the worst fucking cultures in the world.

I'm a little curious as to what your system of measuring the worth of "culture" is. I absolutely want to know.

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