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Yeah, guys. Only rap encourages utter idiocy amongst its ranks. Seriously. There's nowhere I can't reach. John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
And this one!
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
My personal opinion is that anyone who thinks rap is music, is only living on the memory of what it used to be. Get rid of the posers, and these other lame thuggish new comers, and bring back the long gone rappers..(except the dead ones for obvious reasons..although it is sad that they are gone. I miss big punisher the most)and rap will be appealing.
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
How ya doing, buddy? |
And weird noise with hot chicks counts as some form art too.
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
It's all about exposure, when it comes down to it. White people aren't exposed to enough rap, black people aren't exposed to enough metal. There's nothing inherently racist about it. When you've listened to it all for long enough, you realize that hip hop can be as bad or as good as any other genre. Mainstream music in any genre is generally bad. And it is all music, even that weird crap knkwzrd just posted in the MEC. =p
FELIPE NO |
While I do think cultural background and races will heavily influence what kind of music you listen to, I don't think it applies to the "rap isn't music" argument.
I personally listen to quite a lot of black 70's music, and I'm seriously horrified at the massive amount of tracks I hear here and there performed by skilled musicians (who for the most never became famous) that some little fucker sampled, spoke shit over and got rich with. No, it doesn't take much effort sampling and editing it, breakbeats were already invented back then. Just gotta add your louder bitchass one to the original. No, it doesn't take a huge musical culture. Ever heard of Dusty Fingers and the likes ? They're compilations of 70s/80s music featuring obscure breakbeat based tracks purposely made for rappers to No, rapping isn't just "speaking over a beat". It requires certain skills and/or training. How does it even compare to mastering a musical instrument though ? "but man rappers are from the ghetto they can't learn music ..." No, shut up. Most funk, soul acts from the 70s (that rappers are pillaging) were from the ghetto and still played like gods. No, it's not all rap that is like this. Most of the successful stuff is, though. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Seriously, I find it bizarre that people are actually arguing that musicians have to be talented to make music. (lol niki) ZOMG RAP NO TALENT LOLZ. Spoiler:
So, rap is music even by the fairly stringent conservatory definition, rap is a valid form of artistic expression according to musical intellectuals, and just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it sucks. tl:dr version: If you think rap isn't music, you're an idiot. *Stupid music joke no one will get. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
And you can apply what I wrote earlier to a good amount of house/electronica music who pillage 70s/80s disco just as much and in the same immoral way. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Well, since most arguments have already been fleshed out pretty well by the people who've already posted, I'll only make a slight addendum of sorts to what Rat wrote out (well done, by the way).
I think the aspect of rap that makes the people question it's authenticity as a form of music is probably the fact that rapping in and of itself is more related to the arts of oration/rythmic declamation than it is to music. In fact, a rapper freestyling without a backbeat is probably gonna be closer in experience to that of listening to someone making a lecture, a poetry reading or a sermon(albeit a more lively one than most I've attended). Add a beat, and voilà! It becomes Hip-hop which, in opposition to just rap, is purely music if you remove the rapper. Of course, certain artists tend to be more borderline between signing and rapping, and in these cases I guess I consider it to lean more towards music than the preceding examples I've given. So, as the ballet or the opera, one has to be ready to adapt to a hybrid form of art if they are to appreciate rap. I for one don't care much for either of these three forms of art, as I am solely (or almost) interested in music. I'm not saying they don't have merit, just that they aren't really my bag. Now, as to wether saying rap isn't music is racist or not, I think Dr. Uzuki said it best when he said that we can only tell on a case to case basis. I consider rapping to be a form of artistic oration by itself (so not music) but I do consider the constructions these guys use to rap on music. Does that make me a racist? I sure hope not. Now, If my only argument would have been "them's niggers, they can't make music" or something along those lines, then certainly the answer would have to be yes. However, I think in most cases people who don't like hip-hop tend simply to find themselves alienated by it in being unable to relate to the experiences these guys are sharing, as Rat said in his post. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? Juggle dammit
Last edited by i am good at jokes; Nov 30, 2007 at 10:30 PM.
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
I feel I can clarify my thoughts on this fairly succinctly.
"Rap" is a vocal technique, not a musical genre. You're probably looking for hip-hop. And as for that, there are lots of white hip-hop artists (many of which rap about many things other than sex/drugs/drive-bys). It's not racist to say 'rap isn't music', it's just stupid, that's all. I second that quote of Dizzy Gillespie. FELIPE NO |
I stand corrected. Rap is still horrible, though.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |