THE RiPPERS' STASH (Game Rips Directory Ideas)

EDIT: The focus of newer posts in this thread is currently that of cubed's site "THE RiPPER'S STASH". What begins here is discussion I initiated that eventually let to the current state.

Okay, I've been meaning to create this thread for a while, but I'm prone to procrastinate. cubed used to have a nice index of game rips available, but his site is down now. He's in the process of building a new one, but I don't know how long that will take. God knows I take forever to do anything of that size.

So what I'm proposing is something to hold us over until then. I want to make a directory of game rips, and I'd like to actually include the "games that need to be ripped" in with this project. I'm talking about an actual website as opposed to a GFF thread, because the list won't do us any good when the boards have crashed. Maybe we'll use a little coding, maybe not. I don't plan to make it nearly as robust as cubed's site was, but I at least want to make the information easily available to people.

So help me brainstorm. I have the webspace, all I need is the input.

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I was thinking maybe we can use some pre-made software to take care of this. I think a wiki would be more than needed, so I don't really want to deal with that. If anybody knows of any software that would be perfect for this cause, list it here.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

like a GMR Online but for rips only ?

that would be nice... and easier to code LOL so people can post others' rips. Like Reichu's rip. Cause I never got in touch with her actually... so it could be a good way to list them all. just a thought.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

On the subject of Reichu, I emailed her about two months back and she sent me her gamerip listing. She never replied to my second email though.

But I'm definitely in favor of the Gamerips Directory though I don't know how to help. I could contact a few rippers that aren't registered here (ie Mike, Juno, brainzelda, etc.)...



Oh, and here's Reichu's list:

/GAMECUBE/
Dairantou Smash Brothers DX (= Super Smash Brothers Melee)
/GAMEBOY/
Donkey Kong
Kirby's Dream Land
Kirby's Dream Land 2
Super Mario Land
Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins
Wario Land II
/GENESIS/
Ecco: Songs of Time
Ecco the Dolphin
Sonic Spinball
/NES/
Kirby's Adventure
/N64/
Mario Party
Pokemon Snap
/PLAYSTATION/
Breath of Fire 3 [Complete]
SaGa Frontier (Unreleased Tracks)
/SNES/
Bubsy: Claws Encounters of the Furred Kind
ClayFighter
Earthworm Jim
Illusion of Gaia
Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park 2: The Chaos Continues
Kirby Super Star
The Lost Vikings
Mario is Missing!
Mario Paint
Mickey's Magical Adventure
Mother 2: Giegue Strikes Back! (= EarthBound)
TMNT IV: Turtles in Time
Yoshi's Cookie
Yoshi's Panepon (= Tetris Attack)
/DREAMCAST/
Sonic Adventure (Unreleased Tracks)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I would like to know if people will be more interested in a GMR-like website... I hope we'll get more replies soon... cause I'm willing to make more effort on this one instead. I already have a lot of coding already done anyway.

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A GMR-like website would be fine. However, one problem I have with that site is that it has no auditing, so it's prone to vandalism wiping out data permanently. If we could keep some sort of data history, that would be great.

I was speaking idiomatically.

A GMR setup but for gamerips? Sure, I'm all for that.

Depending how soon you guys can get the site up I can provide a list of rips in my ftp .

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by cubed

I would like to know if people will be more interested in a GMR-like website

That sounds like a great idea. It would be very useful to have something like this again, and even on a larger scale this time. Though, as Kaleb noted, some precautions might be necessary, auto-backups or something.

FELIPE NO

I'd be up for the idea, though I have no idea about the coding.

What format is it in? And...what is GMR?

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GMR would be the abbreviated version of Game Music Revolution. The name belongs to a popular database site that lists a large amount of information on VGM soundtracks (such as tracklistings, artists, etc). With a simple search function, it's one of the most accessible databases around..
Chudah's Corner is similar, if you've ever been there.

I'd also be in favor of a GMR style website for gamerips (with the safety precautions that Kaleb mentioned, of course).
I wouldn't say that I could help with it though, due to my uncomitted nature. Other ideas seem to escape me at the moment, but I'll post stuff later on if I can think of something.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

@ Supersonic:

www.gmronline.com - The best video game music album database.

I'm coding in PHP.

Or if anyone else want to try it in asp instead...

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Backup is not a problem. I can make daily backup.

OR (again, just a thought) only known rippers would get an account, so only them would be able to edit the database since it's our own work and not from companies, so it's not like if we don't know our own stuffs thus we can trust ourselves and not being worried about any vandalism of any kind.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Never coded in PHP before...I'll probably need to learn it soon.

GMR has a lot of stuff, I'm impressed. Though, I don't see an

alphabetical listing it's probably not needed since there's a lot of

stuff. PHP is pretty reliable from what I've seen, so I'd be all for

that.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by SuperSonic

Though, I don't see an alphabetical listing it's probably not needed since there's a lot of stuff.

They have one. Under the textbox and drop-down-lists it says:

or browse by Album Title Catalogue # Release Date

Just click "Album Title".


Also, cubed, PHP is fine.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Kaleb, is mysql ok too ? I'm more used with PHP + MySQL.

So you would need to create the database and tell me what are the infos to get connected to it.

I can stard to work on it as soon as I get more info about it Not having a girlfriend anymore is helping me too. More free time for me.

EDIT: well, huh I just realized that I can create the databse myself in php anyway LOL

I was speaking idiomatically.

cubed, I can set you up with an account on my server and you can run wild.

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What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by cubed

well, huh I just realized that I can create the databse myself in php anyway

Hm? As in SQLite? Or another embedded database?

How ya doing, buddy?

I meant I can create a database on a mysql server with a script in php.

mysql_query("create database db_blabla");

@ Kaleb: I need is an username and password to connect to the mysql server via PHP

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is it better to let certain people to have privilege to modify the database or make it simple like GMR ?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I think "anonymous" contribution would be fine, so long as there is a data history. However, user accounts are good as well.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I don't really get the point of anonymous updating. When an anonymous person updates a CD at GMR, you can verify that the CD exists, you can look up info on it, buy it, etc.
In a game rips database, anybody can add info to their game rip they just made 5min ago, which in the worst case is untagged mp3s taken from a game's folder.
Furthermore, who needs info on a game rip of let's say Superbike 2001 when there's absolutely no place to get it.

How ya doing, buddy?

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Furthermore, who needs info on a game rip of let's say Superbike 2001 when there's absolutely no place to get it.

The purpose of a gamerip directory like this is to show that a certain rip is already done. Now all we'll need would be FTPs that are willing to host the rips. Anyway, when you're adding a new rip, there's a possibility to edit it later. There will be a field for availability, so if you just add a new rip, it's obvious it won't be available right now. Then you edit later with info of where to get your rip.

How ya doing, buddy?

heh. Action, finally. Cool. =)

Definitely supporting this, as it's pretty obvious we'll never get it on GFF before 2015. Tell me if you need help with anything.

Something GMR-like would be fine, I guess, since my experience tells me a Wiki would get messy fast. The majority of people don't know how to deal with anything else than to-fill boxes. Though yeah, the ability to restore data fast would be a must.

Now, the big question to me is kinda in the lines of what Teioh said. What do we list on it?

It's nice to know a gamerip has been done before, but what use is it if it is'nt accesible anywhere? This is why having it here, coupled to the forums, was nice. But yeah...

That is why I'd be all in favor of deciding at the same time on a way of distributing these gamerips by less reducing ways than FTPs, unless we're gonna have someone on a T3 willing to give away his FTP info to the public, leave it on 24/24 and share every gamerips listed on the DB.

Emule coupled to the Kadmelia network sounds fine to me. You can have HTML links, and everyone can share their rips from home. I know many people hate Emule for some reason, but heh, I just don't see an alternative...

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Huh. A few thoughts from the new dude:

1. What do you stick on there?

Game rip info, who ripped it, the compression used, and whatever other comments are deemed necessary.

PROBLEM: There are multiple game rips that have been done for each game, which ones get listed for a given title?

SOLUTION: Simps. All or one (or two). Huh? That's right. List all the gamerips submmitted by users with their corresponding information, or pick the best one(s).

PROBLEM: How do you pick the best one?

SOLUTION: Well, there should be a voting system enforced. Any old person should be able to flag a rip as being poorly done, or falsely advertised as well as being able to give props to those that are doing their job. This can automatically move rips up and down the list. Unfortunately, this can be abused, but such is life.

If someone in power decides that a rip is best, or better, he "Stars" it and it stays on top of the bunch, regardless of votes. This person can obviously remove duds as well.

So, where does the "All or one" come in? It doesn't really... Those that are "Starred" are considered to be the highest quality available for that one game, so people can easily tell which they should go for. If the administrator wants it tidy, or to prevent the spread of lower-class rips, he can easily remove the unstarred rips.

2. So, apart from information on the rip, we need to know how to actually acquire the rips.

Right, people will have to volunteer information on where to pick these guys up. I don't think it's right to just up and add someone's ftp info, they'd have to be asked permission or do it themselves. Websites that host music can probably be listed by a third party, although that still would not be the best of actions.

PROBLEM: If someone finds/has a rip location, how do they know whether to add it as a mirror location under one of the rips listed already, or as a new rip?

SOLUTION: Well, a rip shouldn't be listed in the first place, unless the person doing so has the rip itself AND listed a primary download source. Preferably the person who did the rip itself would do undertake doing so. The person listing it should know what's what, eh wot? Pardon.

In any case, what of those random sites with music found, or people with FTPs that are unsure of whether theirs is a copy of one listed or one that's new?

I don't know exactly. This can cause a snag. Obviously, the more mirrors listed under any given rip, the better. Best I can think of, is listing the primary download source, and then allowing people to post mirrors and saying they are secondary until verified.

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Ah, there's more to say, but I'm drifting... later perhaps. Hopefully what I've said makes sense, there are just to many contingencies to sift through.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Unagi

SOLUTION: Well, a rip shouldn't be listed in the first place, unless the person doing so has the rip itself AND listed a primary download source.

Hmm...I don't really like the sound of that. A rip's info shouldn't be excluded from the directory just because the rip itself isn't readily publicly available.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

There are two paths to take here, creating the end all, and be all, of game ripping directories OR making it easy to find and download high quality game rips by just listing those.

Seems you are in favor of the first, and that also was the kind I was describing in my prior post (which I'm not necessarily in favor of). Problem is, that direction will be a pain in the butt. There is a far easier way to do all this, but it will be self-serving to the GFF forums. I'll talk about that later.

In any case, you are right, there is no reason why rips can't be added if there is no download location. For completion purposes, and all that. Okay, there IS a reason. It makes it far easier for any buffoon to put up rip information and claim they (or another) did it, when in reality they are just looking for easy recognition or just wish to spam. Why? Obviously, with no download source, nobody can verify the rips existence, or it's authenticity. The "Props or Drop" system would be rendered useless as well for these cases, seeing that there is no basis for people to vote on.

Other than that, there really is no problem. In the end, it would just be text. Text that people can ignore, if they wish, in favor of rips listed that can be verified.

FELIPE NO

I don't think we'll have a problem with people posting fake rips. File availability from the directory site wasn't a requirement at cubed's last site, and yet things were still very organized. Most of the time, people's rips can be found on the various FTPs here at GFF. If someone submits a rip that nobody can find, then obviously it will be removed.

Also, in the case of multiple rips, cubed's site previously just listed all available rips from a game. A rating system may be a welcome addition, however.

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If this website is ONLY available to GFF, then there will be very little chance of there being fake rips or spam. This is simply because your forum account would be linked to the acccount you have on the directory, so, it would be easy to tell who did what.

If the website will be publically accessible AND modifiable, you will eventually get people who want to cause trouble. No question. All it takes is one jerk to mess with things. You just have to be prepared for this eventuality.

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I remember cubed's site, "CubeWorld" or something, had a "z" in it somewhere. Nice place, but I only recall one rip per title being listed. That was why it was so organized, wasn't it? It was well done, for what it did. However, a directory it was not, more a repository.

Now that I see where you are coming from, Kaleb.G, I will focus on a different take concerning this directory idea in my next post.

More later.

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