[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by TubeRacer

Well, it's just rumors vs. rumors so "clarification" isn't exactly possible.

I doubt they're stupid enough (yes Sony's stupid, but not THAT stupid) to release it at $900. 500 would be a much more accurate esitmate, since they're trying to compete with Microsoft here. The already huge marketshare and userbase they have with PS2 will probably be enough to give them an easy victory regardless of how good the console actually is, but it's not enough to sell consoles at almost a grand.

$900 is enough to build a decent PC, no one in their right mind would pay that money for a game console (unless they're one of the geniuses who paid over $2000 for an XBox 360). That would be like spending $7 on a brand of enhanced milk, sure it's better, but over 2x better than regular milk?

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Most likely the PS3 will land a price around $400-$500, pricing the system higher than that will give it a similar fate as the 3DO or Saturn. Of course the PS3 does have a big advantage to the XBox 360, MGS4. With a game like that (hopefully near launch) it will be what sells PS3s until Halo 3 strikes the 360. What I am looking forward to is DMC4 and an curious to see what Square-Enix has in the PS3 piepline.
Of course Rockstar could make another GTA and steal the show

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Originally Posted by T1249NTSCJ

Fall at the very latest but this'll only apply to the Japanese release, U.S. gamers will have to wait. :argue:
I don't see Sony pulling off a worldwide release. :juggler:

That would cause a shortage that would make the 360 and PS2 launch look small in comparison to the mad rush that would ensue when the PS3 hits shelves. I'll peg the Japanese lanch May 6, 2006 and the US release November 11, 2006, when do all of you think the PS3 will debut?

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For some reason I think Sony won't release the PS3 in the summer, mainly because summer is the weakest time for game releases. In Japan though, the gaming industry doesn't live for Christmas as much as the US does, which is a good thing (I hate it when the crowd mega releases in the early Winter).

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If Sony does what I fear it does, it might wait until November to relese the PS3, guarenteeing that anyone who doesn't want to pay more than the MSRP for a PS3 won't get one.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

And yet Stringer doesn't say a word about delaying it, Variety says he said it though, so it must be true. Way to applaud the vague.



It says the console as been delayed, but when? Who said it? That's essentially all it says on the machine.

The article notes flattening DVD sales, I was not aware of this. I thought DVDs were doing very well. But anyways, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are going to take two years at least to get as popular as DVDs did early on and that's if everyone loves the formats. But with two formats and restrictive DRM, that's highly unlikely.

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Originally Posted by quazi

Anti-piracy pirates haven't figured it out yet. Effective anti-copying measures need to do one and only one thing. They need to make it easier to pay for the products you use rather than steal them. This new wave of anti-copying measures ironically does the exact opposite. It almost only targets the users who buy products with their own money. If you steal ripped Blu-Ray files that have their copyright protection cracked then you don't need to deal with any of this mess. Way to go MIAA.

Since most of the copy protection deals with output, it looks like they're too confident in their "invincible" data protection. Watch within two years we'll be as far with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray cracking as we are with DVDs now.

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Originally Posted by Simo

Yeah Sony just officially announced the PS3 launch delay:

http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/today/...20147000c.html

That's November for Japan by the way. The Nihon Keizai Shimbun has been wrong in the past though so hopefully we'll see some more confirmations later on tonight.

Well last I heard AACS (the copy protection) was at revision 0.91, whihc means the first titles won't have version 1.00, if the PS3 requires version 1.00, then the delay seems natural. They always could release the PS3 with version 1.00 AACS than require a firmware upgrade to watch Blu-Ray DVDs that have AACS newer than 1.00 (or take the PS2 route and not have Blu-Ray playback until the US release).

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Originally Posted by SailorDaravon

PS3 Conference going on right now, Kutaragi has confirmed main topics will be PS3 (with release schedule) and PSP, going over some PS2 sales # and so on right now.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696043p1.html

Edit:

PSP news:

Videophone coming in Fall, GPS, Eyetoy, Flash support on next update, Memory Stick boot support coming in Fall.

Offical 1st Gen PS1 emulator, buy and download games online to PSP

PS2 news:




PS3 News:

JAPANESE WORLDWIDE NOVEMBER LAUNCH CONFIRMED for "first half of November."
Will support HDMI from launch.

One full year after the 360? Geez, that's quite a wait. Good thing the quality of PS2 games is so awesome right now (with KH2 amoung others in the pipeline). Good thing they aren't knocking the PS2 down... yet.

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Originally Posted by Megalith

Ok, so PS3 is launching this year. LoL. So where are the games.

Also, the fact that it will include a 60GB HD means that it will cost no less than $500. It's over.

But that price doesn't bother me if I can play AC04 in 720p.

60GB hard drive's are dirt cheap right now (and that's the MSRP). They would add, at most $20-$40 to the MSRP. The price of an HDD is well below $0.50 per gigabyte right now (case in point: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144392 ), I assume the manufacturing cost is somewhere between 25-75% of that. I assume the Blu-Ray abilities of the PS3 will account for 33-50% of the manufacturing cost of the system (and possibly that in turn will make the system cost $399 as opposed to $299).

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Originally Posted by Qwarky

That would actually be pretty good. Nintendo would have to give a shit about Europe first though (lol)

As for the harddrive, people seem to think the console having a harddrive will magically make all loading times disappear entirely. Does anyone here play PC games or what?

The read speed of a 1x DVD is 1350KB/s and a Blu-Ray disc (at 1x) tops out at ~4395KB/s. The maximum speed of a DVD drive is 21600KB/s (16x) and a Blu-Ray disc is 2x (8789KB/s). This pales in comparison to 7200RPM hard drives, which can read/write at 40-70MB/s (40960KB/s-71680KB/s). This is no where near as fast as RAM, but it's more than twice as fast as a 16x DVD-ROM. Remember, console games are made to take full advantage of whatever media that they are contained within, so any game designed to load on disc (even if it loads very slowly) will load a lot better on an HDD.

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Originally Posted by Megalith

Actually, the 60GB HD will be brilliant. Everyone will just download and run their games off of it.

::loads MGS4::

Until they realize that only 2-3 Blu-Ray games will fit on the HDD, upon which they'll start modding the system and dumping $200 in a 500GB HDD. Since the system's games will be region free, the only people who mod it will be pirates (really who used the mod chip and HDLoader to backup games?).

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Though personally I wasn't aware the region free thing was finalized.

Well I heard the PSP games are region free (I can't test this), and I heard the PS3 games are going to be region free as well.
More info.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Elixir

I liked the "will require" part.

Wow, that's a compelling package. Linux and the like, Blu-Ray is the only thing holding the release date back (honestly, it's Sony as a whole's fault, not the PS3 team). Even if the system sells for $300 (or the much more likely $399), I'll never buy any new console system until the bugs have been worked out and when the price hits the $200 mark (when I bit into the PS2).
With a price higher than $200, I could buy a barebones PC, which I could put to far better use than a PS3. Is Sony going to pull a Saturn, 360 or a (gasp) 3DO? Only time will tell.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Does anyone else think that the real reason PS3 was delayed was because they didn't have too many games ready?

It could be, the PS3 is going to need great launch titles to make all the regions love it. It can't just have novelty Japanese games like most of the previous PlayStation launch titles have. There has to be at least a great game (if not a "killer app") to get people into buying a PS3 (who honestly is going to buy it for any other reason in 2006/2007? Well there's the Blu-Ray issue, but that's another story).

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What I find really funny is that people are so whipped into a frenzy about the PS3, they are ignoring the 360. The one year head start that the 360 has seems to be worth as much as the one year head start the Dreamcast had over the PS2...

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Originally Posted by neothe0ne

It's almost definitely worth less; whether it be a manufactured shortage or a real one, the 360 has had no momentum whatsoever since a little while after launch, and thus there is no advantage to launching ahead of Sony.

It seems that the only thing the 360 could do right was create insane, worthless hype:lolsign:

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion

PS2 had no killer-apps for months and it killed the Dreamcast, which had an arguably better library. PS3 could do the same simply because it's Playstation.

Momentum would be the real killer here. While the PS3 is guarenteed the top spot for most of this decade, will it be good enough (and have good enough games) to be at the top with the inevitable PS3? Hopefully Sony doesn't become too complacent and remember great games make or break the system, not hardware or hype (much like both XBoxes).

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You'd think that with such strong GPU and CPU power, the PS3 could do some anti-aliasing, even the Dreamcast could do that well. My Official US Playstation magazine has some PS3 game screenshots, that look like PS2 games with a very high polygon count. Their aliasing is extreme Untold Legends looks worse than Devil May Cry, a 2001 PS2 game. Obiviously SOE is not shooting for good graphics with that game. Stranglehold looks good though, Chow Yun-Fat (in the game) looks pretty close to real life counterpart. It'll be a while I guess until we see a PS3 game that looks even remotely good compared to the pre-renderd movies I've seen. Unreal Tournament 2007 and MGS4 are the only games that look to eclipse the PS2's best graphics in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Sega, you've got to be kidding me. Any half-assed PS3 game would stomp the shit out of a the best looking PS2 game around, especially when the original Xbox has done that for quite some time now.

The only place where we're really going to see a noticeable jump in graphics is between the PS2 and PS3 given how old the former's hardware is compared to the latter.

Most of the PS3 games I've seem (at least real in-game screenshots) don't really take advantage of the hardware. UT2007 looks the best by far, but I do remember many PS2 games (especially early on) that didn't look much better than the best PS1 games, save for a higher resolution and better lighting. It took PS2 devs quite a while to get used to developing for the PS2 before they could pull games that looked as good as DMC3 and Prince of Persia.
Tech demoes don't take into account, physics, controls, or anything else gameplay related. They only show what the graphics and sound capabilities of the system are.

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/697/697656p1.html

Problem solved.

If Sonic Adventure 2 pulled off multilingual speech and text, it's not to much of a stretch to assume some newer games will as well. With PS2 games, how many single layer PS2 DVD-ROMs even fill up all the way? I've noticed some games with less videos tend to be less than 3GB in size, more than enough for multiple text and audio languages.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SouthJag

I'm really excited about the news of Ratchet and Clank making the jump to PS3. I was fearful that, like the Jak and Daxter series, R&C was over after Deadlocked as far as consoles were concerned.

Hopefully with this announcement will soon come a similar one regarding Sly Cooper and Jak and Daxter.

Great! R&C is one of my favorite PS2 franchises. Considering the graphics of the PS2 versions, the PS3 rendition will be a great sight to behold.
Do you have a source for this announcement?

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

The only question now is if developers will go out of their way to include multiple languages and subtitles for anyone who will import. I don't expect this practice to occur in, say, Pachinko Dreams Kawaii Densetsu 2007.

That aside, I doubt it would become a standard. What would stop people from importing FFXIII if it has english text? It could hurt US sales from those who refuse to wait. This COULD mean more games that will hit both Japan and the US simultaneously, but I doubt it.

Really either way you pay for a copy of the game, so both the publisher and Sony make some money. Now if the region you live in had a different publisher or distributor, then you'd be costing them money. Sony and other game companies would be wise to open up their own import sites so they can make the hell loads of money import shops make (like $87USD for a Japanese copy of FFXII).

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

The PS3 hardware itself, is region-free. Publishers can still region-code their games to prevent them from playing on machines in other areas, but that'll be due to their software solution and not the machine itself.

This is not retroactive, so PS1/PS2 games are still region locked.

About PS1/PS2 imports: Can you confirm this?
So they are going to put region reading hardware in the PS3. Most likely, only games that will be released in the US will get any region coding.
Why would some obscure Japanese dev care about his game going to the US?

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Given that this is developer's conference, not open to the public (hence these leaked pictures) and that all of the other things shown were real-time demonstrations of various features of the console, I'd lean more towards real-time. Especially given Insomniac's record of pumping out impressive graphics (and the relative or complete lack of CG in their games).

I'm glad they went back to the bright and expansive areas of the first few games, and even more so that they used Metropolis as the scene for that little teaser.

A lot of folks want to see these things in motion since there's only so much you can get from a static object (like the car, or the new chickens demo).

I'd believe those (excellent) screens as well. It'd be very special to see R&C rendered in graphics that rival the pre-renderd videos from the PS2. It'll take time though before we see games on the PS3 like that, probably one to two years. Just like it did with the PS2.

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