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topsy turvy much?
Guys, here's a story I just found on a random website.
Woman Faces Fines for Wreath Peace Sign in denver, A homeowners association in southwestern Colorado has threatened to fine a resident $25 a day until she removes a Christmas wreath with a peace sign that some say is an anti-Iraq war protest or a symbol of Satan now, this is only a partial story, but I don't know about the rest of you, but I really have to question how far we have degenerated as a society that you would ever consider a peace sign "a symbol of satan" comments? Jam it back in, in the dark. You know what? you just might be full enough of shit to apply for congress |
A link to the story, or the site where you found it, would be helpful.
Also, I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading and/or hearing that an inverted, broken cross is a Satanic symbol. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
it was a standard peace sign, but still....
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. You know what? you just might be full enough of shit to apply for congress
Last edited by Balcony Heckler; Nov 27, 2006 at 08:11 AM.
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Wasn't that the point of the peace sign though? Stemming from the belief that religion fueled war, taking an un-Christian sign and turning it into a symbol that means something else entirely, gives your movement a logo and establishes your opponents.
Something like that. I'm more than likely talking out of my arse. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Hmm. Seems a bit odd - sounds like a pro-peace semi-religious or at least semi-festive person being wrongfully accused, but account for media spin and the fact that homeowners' associations have a large say in what can or can't be put up in a given community, and it might not be as big a deal as it sounds. Anything gaudy or out of the ordinary has to be cleared where my parents live. We had to apply for permission to build a shed, to add a sun room to the back of the house, even to put up a little playground set for my little brothers. It's just how homeowners' associations work.
I imagine if anyone reported that story to the media, it would be the accused, and they'd put a nice spin on it to get themselves in the local paper and maybe get to keep their ugly Christmas decorations up a few more days. If it took saying that their neighbors called a peace sign a satanic symbol, so be it. I was speaking idiomatically. |
Original Associated Press Story
Hosted image of the wreath that is stirring up the trouble: It looks like the warmongers felt that a peace symbol was meant to personally disparage them and their children serving gloriously in Iraq:
Kearns then goes on to throw out a completely bullshit slippery slope argument:
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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Since WHEN is a peace sign a symbol of SATAN. Holy CRAP, man. "Peace and love" is now a MESSAGE OF THE DEVIL. GOOD TO KNOW. It explains a lot of the bullshit that goes on!
The Menorah, you know. It's a SIGN OF THE JEW. And we all know that Jews are fucking EVIL. Best to remove ALL public displays of the Menorah! (Ha ha like that would happen. Ever.) This is completely insane that people are actually trying to get a peaceful, holiday celebratory wreath removed because its in the form of a peace sign. And it's private property, ONCE AGAIN. "REMOVE YOUR PEACEFUL EMBLEM OR PAY THE CONSEQUENCE." HOW MANY GREETING CARDS do I get at Christmastime celebrating "joy, peace and love?" Fucking HYPOCRITES. FELIPE NO |
YOU STAND CORRECTED. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Kooky! All those old anti-hippies must be the ones proclaiming it to be a diabolical symbol. It's rather sad and ignorant really.
This reminds me faintly of how Merry Christmas was changed to Happy Holidays in our town last year. Some people are just so outspoken when they plain don't want something. They fire off the indignation card so quickly and people cave into it :s How ya doing, buddy? |
This signals that the neighborhood has gone to pot and that it's time to move. If those quotes are indeed accurate, then that is one SERIOUSLY messed up community. At least the (former) committee members seem to have had some semblance of brains.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
This case is so outrageous that I can't help myself from wondering if Kearns, the president of that homeowner's association, has some sort of grudge against Jensen or some other member of her family. I can only speculate on that point, but it is very suspicious that although only a few people complained, an order needed to be given to the comittee responsible for deciding on this matter. Kearns did fire the members of that body, adding further suspicion to the situation.
Any continuing developments will surely be interesting. I have been told that homeowner's associations are generally breeding grounds for a sort of grudge-filled environment. Can anyone provide some insight into this? How ya doing, buddy?
Last edited by Snowknight; Nov 27, 2006 at 09:34 PM.
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Well, if one family gets the go-ahead to build something or do something to their home, and then that isn't granted to someone else, sparks fly. Or if one family doesn't take good care of their lawn, or has really stupid-looking plastic deer out on their lawn (like in my neighborhood back home, yeesh), or has kids that are always terrorizing the neighbor's pets, it doesn't work out well in the homeowners' association. My mom's been vice president of the HOA a few years now, and she hates the politics of it all. The only reason she does it is that no one else is willing to take minutes at the meetings. :P
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I mean, is there a way to be in the neighborhood and NOT have to deal with this cocksuckery? I think Snowknight is right, though. It screams of a grudge. But its plain outrageous that they would disallow it. How ya doing, buddy? |
The original Peace Symbol was created by using the semaphore letters for "N" and "D" enclosed in a circle, which stood for Nuclear Disarmament. So, since we were looking for WMDs, wouldn't this wreath be in keeping with the war?
And the broken cross thing, I would say comes from the Rune that looks like the inside of the symbol, since that Rune means "death." Anyway, here's an update: http://www.examiner.com/a-423588~Sub...gn_wreath.html What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
Last edited by Leknaat; Nov 28, 2006 at 03:55 AM.
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but the big question is that despite what people are calling the peace symbol, is peace and tranquility such a filthy word to most people these days?
FELIPE NO You know what? you just might be full enough of shit to apply for congress |
For those of you not wanting to visit the site, this is the information it presents:
I do not believe the issue here is the death of peace; I am fairly confident that the symbol's interpretation is merely situational. As I said before, the incident absolutely screams grudge. There is, of course, the possibility of the upset individuals subscribing to a fascist ideology and merely hating the idea of peace, but I find that unlikely; the circumstances are too suspicious. Regardless, this case does not show that peace is a "filthy word" to most people, as it hardly involves most people. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
Last edited by Snowknight; Nov 28, 2006 at 08:34 AM.
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This is just sad, this neighborhood is not the kind of place I want to visit when people take a peace sign as offensive or a symbol of satan.... wonder what would happen if I strolled there wearing a pentagram?
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
The clearest way to find out if an HOA is ridiculous is to meet the president and the vice president and gauge them - and if they're cool, ask if the HOA is cool, or if it's Nazi Germany all over again. Cool people can be frank with you. And if not frank, at least they'll gossip about it. :P How ya doing, buddy? |
I found basically the same stuff Snowknight did, with one site claiming it was a demonic symbol, and another site (which I found to be much more objective) claiming that's a ridiculous idea propogated by radical fundamentalist Christians. Makes me think of the scary fat lady on... what was it? Trading Spaces or something like that?
Good site info here: Spoiler:
Also, a link to the semaphore flag positions previously mentioned: http://www.sartori.com/nhc/flags/ It is also worth noting that although many people would associate the Swastika with Nazism, it was actually a religious symbol of Hinduism, Buddhism, et cetera, further evidenced by the fact that the word itself means good fortune or well-being. And no, I didn't get this by watching the Da Vinci Code, I've read it in many books, and if you put stock in what Wikipedia says, you can find it there too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika So, even if this peace sign was put on the graves of some of Hitler's SS troops, I wouldn't be surprised. And I wouldn't say that makes it evil, either. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I mean, in this day and age, the word "Nazi" alone is almost synonymous with "evil." But the Nazis at the time thought they were doing the world a favor. They were getting rid of those dirty, filthy Jews! They probably thought that this was the best idea ever. This would explain the use of something that was symbollic of good fortune and well-being - THE JEWS ARE GONE! GOOD FORTUNE TO ALL! It is absolutely amazing how interesting symbolism can be in society. How powerful it can be. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Yeah, I read about that yesterday night on CNN. I think its absolutely bonkers. Who cares if its anti-Iraq war or whatever. I mean, ever heard about free speech? Besides, I am sure its not hurting anyone. If you take offence, just leave it. Anyway, Christmas is about peace, can't a wreath be about peace?
As for propaganda.... whatever. I was speaking idiomatically. |
So, since these people are going by the ancient original meanings, I wonder if they stopped celebrating Christmas altogether?
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
quite possibly, but I still get freaked out. I mean, you show a peace symbol to a group of one hundred people, and on average 95 of those people will probably know what it means. I personally think these might be the same type of people that if you painted a pentagram in human blood, they'd probably think it was a star of hope
How ya doing, buddy? You know what? you just might be full enough of shit to apply for congress |