[DS] My Nintendo DS Fear

Nintendo has been my favorite game company since the start of my gaming days in the 80's. Allow me to explain my Nintendo DS Fear starting from the beginning:

NES = This gave me excellent fulfillment in RPG's and multiplayer games with friends.

SNES = This gave me fulfillment in all areas it ever could: RPG's, multiplayer games, and 1-player non-rpg games.

N64 = No RPG fulfillment, but 4 controller ports and thus even more fun to play because you can play with more people.

GC = No RPG fulfillment, but the same amount of multiplaying addiction as N64.

So, Nintendo has been lacking in the quality RPG department since 1996 with the N64. I have not even been too mad at that fact because luckily Nintendo was smart enough to release RPG's for GBC and GBA. What a library that GBA has! So in "conclusion", Nintendo is the best company in all the genres because I can get fulfillment in multiplayer by playing their consoles and fulfillment in RPG's by playing their handheld systems...

*QUEUE THUNDER CRASH SOUND EFFECT*

...Until the Nintendo DS came out. It has been out for over a year now and there are little or no RPG's for it. I realize it's still early, but there are not such a good amount of RPG's in development for the future, either. As for present DS RPG's, Lunar DS was such a failure.
I'm not against DS for its WiFi playing or it's multiplayer playing or it's fun stylus pen action gameplay, but I fear that the DS is so different from the GBA, that Nintendo will now officially be a poor company in the RPG department in any of the video game systems they make. That is a really bad thing to me since RPG is my favorite genre.

So, discuss. What is your take on Nintendo's future direction and your take on different game genres for Nintendo systems?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

They're coming soon. Children of Mana is out for the DS in Japan and Xenosaga I & II is out at the end of the month. I've seen video and pics of the latter and it looks fantastic.

But like everybody else, I want to see a free MMORPG. I'm sure it can be done, so do it Nintendo!

There's nowhere I can't reach.

A WiFi online DS RPG would be my new addiction. I know it would not be as broad as a PC game (because the cart's are so tiny), but I'd love it. Perhaps it could be Shining Soul 3. (A diablo-like game that you obtain item drops and hack enemies).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The carts can be up to 1GB which should be more than enough for a MMORPG on a handheld system. It would be a good idea I reckon, but I don't know how likely it is this early in the life cycle of the machine. Seems like the kind of thing that doesn't happen until the console matured a bit. I'm not sure why.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Confirmed/released (all types of RPGs, don't know nothing about US releases, and it's from IGN so it could be wrong):

Iron Feather Action RPG DS News 01/24/2006
Pokemon Ranger: The Road to Diamond and Pearl Action RPG DS News 01/13/2006
Seiken Densetsu DS: Children of Mana Action RPG DS News 12/05/2005
Custom Robo DS Action RPG DS News 10/09/2005
Bouken-Ou Beet: Vandel vs Busters Action RPG DS News 08/17/2005
Deep Labyrinth Action RPG DS News 10/07/2004
Digimon World [working title] Action RPG DS
Baten Kaitos DS
New SD Gundam [working title]
Boktai DS RPG DS News 02/13/2006
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time RPG DS All FAQs 02/07/2006
Lostmagic RPG DS News 02/02/2006
Tao's Adventure: Curse of the Demon Seal RPG DS Videos 01/25/2006
Wizardry Asterisk: Hiiro no Fuuin RPG DS News 01/19/2006
Rune Factory: New Harvest Moon RPG DS Images 01/18/2006
Harvest Moon DS RPG DS News 01/13/2006
Tales of the Tempest RPG DS News 01/10/2006
Korokke! DS: Tenkuu no Yuushatachi RPG DS News 12/19/2005
Slime Mori Mori Dragon Quest 2 RPG DS News 12/07/2005
Zoids Saga DS: Legend of Arcadia RPG DS News 12/07/2005
Tsubasa Chronicle RPG DS Images 12/01/2005
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Double Team DS RPG DS All FAQs 11/30/2005
Konchuu Kakutou: Mushi 1 Grand Prix RPG DS News 11/28/2005
Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon: Blue Rescue Force RPG DS News 11/28/2005
Spyro: Shadow Legacy RPG DS All FAQs 11/17/2005
Final Fantasy III RPG DS Previews 10/27/2005
Xenosaga I & II RPG DS Images 10/21/2005
ASH RPG DS News 10/12/2005
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles DS RPG DS News 10/05/2005
Monster Rancher RPG DS News 10/05/2005
Tingle RPG [working title] RPG DS News 10/05/2005
Lunar: Dragon Song RPG DS Reviews 09/28/2005
Doraemon: Nobita's Dinosaur 2006 RPG DS News 09/09/2005
Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer DS RPG DS News 09/09/2005
Azure Dreams RPG DS News 08/10/2005
Pokemon Diamond RPG DS News 07/11/2005
Pokemon Pearl RPG DS News 07/11/2005
Naruto RPG 2: Chidori vs Rasengan RPG DS Images 07/07/2005
Far East of Eden II RPG DS News 05/12/2005
Dragon Quest Monsters RPG DS News 08/10/2004
RPG from Gamearts [untitled] RPG DS News 08/01/2004
Pikachu Demo RPG DS News 05/13/2004
Magical Vacation 2 RPG DS
Tsubasa Chronicle Volume 2 RPG DS
MAR Heaven: Karudea no Akuma RPG DS
Dark Reflections RPG DS

Also, Contact is a new RPG coming out from Suda 51 (of Killer 7 fame). It's also online, but no more details are really known.

Lost Magic will also be compatible with the WiFi connection for battles and such.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The DS better have GOlden Sun 3... i mean, to not follow up on a top rated RPG for a handheld system would be bad.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Even though I don't like RPG's that much, I'd like to find a good one to buy for the DS eventually. One that has more replay value in singleplayer than Tony Hawk's American Wasteland.

FELIPE NO

Golden Sun 3 would be pretty kickass, but as the story pretty much resolved itself at the end of The Lost Age, I have no idea as to what the game would focus on. The only place mentioned in The Lost Age that the characters never got to travel to was Anemos (isn't that what it was called?), the floating city that Sheba supposedly fell from.

I suppose now that Alchemy has been unleashed on the world, some new factions could try to harness its power... Revisiting all the old places in the game would be kind of lame, though. It needs something new and fresh.

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I haven't finished Golden Sun 2 so I don't know the story, but in an interview with Camelot I remember them saying that both games were basically prequels to the entire Golden Sun mythos. Seeing as how Camelot's working on an unnamed "next gen rpg" for the Rev, I think it's very likely that it'll be Golden Sun 3.

At least I'm hoping it is. The Remote could make for some cool Psyengery moves.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I think it's pretty likely that Camelot's RPG is Golden Sun Rev (or at least it better be!)...

They also confirmed a while back that they weren't working on any DS games, which is completely understandable considering the small size of their team...

There's nowhere I can't reach.

That is, assuming there is a Golden Sun 3

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I think that perhaps you need to stop suckling at the RPG teat.

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Originally Posted by Akai-chan

I think it's pretty likely that Camelot's RPG is Golden Sun Rev (or at least it better be!)...

They also confirmed a while back that they weren't working on any DS games, which is completely understandable considering the small size of their team...

Unacceptable, I wany my Mario Tennis WiFi ASAP

Oh, DS RPGs. I'm looking forward to Tales of the Tempest and Pokemon Pearl/Diamond.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Borg1982

So, Nintendo has been lacking in the quality RPG department since 1996 with the N64. I have not even been too mad at that fact because luckily Nintendo was smart enough to release RPG's for GBC and GBA. What a library that GBA has! So in "conclusion", Nintendo is the best company in all the genres because I can get fulfillment in multiplayer by playing their consoles and fulfillment in RPG's by playing their handheld systems...

*QUEUE THUNDER CRASH SOUND EFFECT*

...Until the Nintendo DS came out. It has been out for over a year now and there are little or no RPG's for it. I realize it's still early, but there are not such a good amount of RPG's in development for the future, either. As for present DS RPG's, Lunar DS was such a failure.
I'm not against DS for its WiFi playing or it's multiplayer playing or it's fun stylus pen action gameplay, but I fear that the DS is so different from the GBA, that Nintendo will now officially be a poor company in the RPG department in any of the video game systems they make. That is a really bad thing to me since RPG is my favorite genre.

So, discuss. What is your take on Nintendo's future direction and your take on different game genres for Nintendo systems?

what makes you think that nintendo has something against rpg's? they sell dev kits to a ton of 3rd party developers. it's the 3rd party responsibility to provide you with the rpgs that you want, not the big n. nintendo is not to blame here for the lack of rpgs. also the ds is outselling the psp like crazy so if there are going to be any rpgs released on a handheld platform, chances are that they will be on ds.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Xboxster

Even though I don't like RPG's that much, I'd like to find a good one to buy for the DS eventually. One that has more replay value in singleplayer than Tony Hawk's American Wasteland.

Tony Hawk is my favorite RPG ever. A tear escaped my eye when he fell off the skateboard, I just wasn't expecting it to happen. Activision's the king of plot twists. How about that final boss, too! 720 twist roundhouse kick flip cockroach crawl burger king deluxe spinal, what a bitch. Holiday composed by Green Day was a touching song for the ending, really put the final touch on the epic!

FELIPE NO

Fuck off. DS is all about the future, innovation, fun and quick gaming. RPGS are all about bullshit ancient gaming conventions based around the limitations of hardware two decades ago.

There is no better proof in the way that all you RPG fanboys demanding fulfillment in this thread crap on about sequels and shit. Nup Camelot aren't allowed to have new ideas, has to be Golden Sun 3, can't be Silver Moon or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Xboxster

Even though I don't like RPG's that much, I'd like to find a good one to buy for the DS eventually. One that has more replay value in singleplayer than Tony Hawk's American Wasteland.

Oh i see, playing through the same story, littered with tedius battles will likely have more replay value than a highscore game. Uhuh.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Whatever happened to Egg Monster Heroes, or whatever it was called, from Square-Enix? It was first mentioned as coming out close to launch, and it's slowly been forgotten. I haven't heard anything about it recently.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by RABicle

Oh i see, playing through the same story, littered with tedius battles will likely have more replay value than a highscore game. Uhuh.

Yes--if the game happens to be Tony Hawk and thus you get sick of it after 2 minutes. =D

I certainly agree with the rest of what you've said, RPGs are like living fossils. But there are without a doubt ways to make the genre less of a bore, and a lot of them involve making optimal use of the DS hardware.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by nuttyturnip

Whatever happened to Egg Monster Heroes, or whatever it was called, from Square-Enix? It was first mentioned as coming out close to launch, and it's slowly been forgotten. I haven't heard anything about it recently.

Yeah, it's been out almost a year in Japan. Don't think it did too well. And I guess the US release got canned some time ago.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by RABicle

Fuck off.

Tough guy now huh?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

RAB had some good points, but they were lost in his flaming rant of fury, so it's hard to actually take him seriously.

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RAB's points are invalid and pathetic except for the fact that the DS is innovative and still awesome in many ways.
RAB symbolizes the downfall of video games as he believes that anything Tony Hawk's related is a good thing. It's people like him that are the reason why Sony is number 1 in sales.

How ya doing, buddy?

Wow this thread is turning into some kind of super stupid. Shape it up or I will close it.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by RABicle

RPGS are all about bullshit ancient gaming conventions based around the limitations of hardware two decades ago.

That's why there's RPGs like Vandal Hearts, Children of Mana, Ys Strategy, Lost Magic, Wizardry Asterisk, and Contact being made for DS? If they had such a poor reputation with gamers then the developers of these RPGs would be defeating the purpose of the DS' limitations.

Say that a genre is outdated based on hardware limitations is so inaccurate. It's not like it's some obscure genre like light-gun games, shoot 'em ups or music games. RPGs are in demand for their quantity as well as quality. The newer 3D RPGs have been pushing hardware limitations, not going unmade based on other possibilities.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

The turn based battle system was invented because they couldn't simulate any kind of meaningful battle with a crosspad and two buttons. Since we are no longer playing on a NES because it's 2006 I don't expect Dragon Quest -Insert huge roman numeral here- to still be stuck with this same, almost unchanged system, despite us having analoge controllers with many times the number of buttons. Every single other genre has moved on from it's roots.

Yet the only example Elixer can give is the graphical improvement of RPGs.

Half Life 2 is far more than a graphically enhanced Wolfenstein yet what is Grandia 3 to Dragon Quest 1?

So back to topic. RPGs should shape up and embrace the future if they expect to be worthwhile additions to the DS library. Tales of the Tempest at least looks to be trying with it's touch screen controlled tri-linear motion battles.

Jam it back in, in the dark.